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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:47 Blissyu2 wrote: We will have 1 foreigner in the semi-finals - the winner of this match. Last year we had 3. Are foreigners getting worse or are Koreans getting better? Or just luck? It's bracket luck. Last year's results was an outlier, HerOMarine was on the run of his life. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:47 Blissyu2 wrote: We will have 1 foreigner in the semi-finals - the winner of this match. Last year we had 3. Are foreigners getting worse or are Koreans getting better? Or just luck? Well, the expected number is 2. Last year Heromarine overperformed. This year Serral underperformed. It's pretty basic variance. | ||
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Elentos
55587 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:47 Blissyu2 wrote: We will have 1 foreigner in the semi-finals - the winner of this match. Last year we had 3. Are foreigners getting worse or are Koreans getting better? Or just luck? Last year we had 3 foreigners getting out of the group stage, this year 4. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2465 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:48 Vindicare605 wrote: Being a finalist doesn't count for much in SC2's GOAT conversations. Yeah, otherwise Soo's accomplishment in Code S GSL or Zest's accomplishment in Katowice can be counted as well.. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:48 Vindicare605 wrote: Being a finalist doesn't count for much in SC2's GOAT conversations. Unlike when discussing Protoss performance, in which case it is worth as much as winning. | ||
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Blissyu2
Australia19 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:50 swarminfestor wrote: Yeah, otherwise Soo's accomplishment in Code S GSL or Zest's accomplishment in Katowice can be counted as well.. I feel like consistent semis/finals placements should be valued more highly in GOAT conversations, but for better or worse people mainly care about wins. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:50 swarminfestor wrote: Yeah, otherwise Soo's accomplishment in Code S GSL or Zest's accomplishment in Katowice can be counted as well.. Maru also gains a TON if we start weighing silvers more. I mean just look at last year alone:  MaruHe took 5 premier Silvers to go along with the 3 golds. He has 3 or 4 GSL Silvers to go along with his 5 golds when soO's record is 6. | ||
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Blissyu2
Australia19 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2465 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:49 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Well, the expected number is 2. Last year Heromarine overperformed. This year Serral underperformed. It's pretty basic variance. Serral underperformed in ZvZ matchup only. But, his ZvP and ZvT looked stellar as before. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:34 Vindicare605 wrote: Having watched that tournament run, I don't want to give him an asterisk for that trophy but I can understand why others might. The IEM Katowice 2021 championship run by Reynor is as legit as an offline one imho. Shouldn't be discredited just because it took place during COVID times. He had a gauntlet slew of opponents - Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest - players on all sides had ping and latency issues and mishaps. | ||
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Elentos
55587 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:54 Nakajin wrote: I think Reynor-herO would be an interesting match honestly, Reynor is a lot more fun in the match up As long as herO wins I don't really mind either way  | ||
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:51 Blissyu2 wrote: Is it jus me or is Reynor getting buff now? Yeah he's been working out for a couple of years now. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:52 Blissyu2 wrote: Reynor looks about a million times better than Serral anyway. Reynor is a chance of winning the whole thing. Reynor has dodged ZvZ all tournament thanks to bracket luck. It's not fair to say he looks better than Serral does when Serral only looked shaky in one match up. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:43 DBooN wrote: I see him shaking his head at 2:51:14 in the vod. He has 42 army supply of which 26 are not on the field, 6 queens and his last couple of roaches are surrounded. He has nothing to retreat with. Please use the ingame clock instead. At 7:47, he should retreat with the 5 roaches at his natural and the other roach at the 3rd back to the 3rd. He needs to wait only a few seconds, then pull drones and the combined forces of his reinforcements and drones will easily overrun Ragnarok there. if ragnarok then follows him into the natural, Serral most likely wins the game shortly afterwards as he can flank him with drones from 3rd and all incoming reinforcements and crush the army very efficiently. If on the other hand Ragnarok turns towards Serrals 3rd it will be a lot more tricky as Serral will lose a lot of drones. But still most likely the game will continue for some time. | ||
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Elentos
55587 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:54 tommey.liang wrote: The IEM Katowice 2021 championship run by Reynor is as legit as an offline one imho. Shouldn't be discredited just because it took place during COVID times. He had a gauntlet slew of opponents - Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest - players on all sides had ping and latency issues and mishaps. I don't think people are discrediting the run itself but moreso the very idea that you could have a World Championship in just about anything played online - because the offline/online difference is very real much beyond just inevitable cross server issues. | ||
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Poopi
France13004 Posts
On February 12 2023 22:37 Elentos wrote: Wasn't it Lambo saying that nobody in Europe was practicing ZvZ these days and that Serral laughed at him when he asked him to play? Isn’t that the only matchup you would need to practice though? Seems weird not to practice it when there are more zergs than every other race in the ro8 | ||
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tigera6
3502 Posts
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