Reynor has dodged ZvZ all tournament thanks to bracket luck. It's not fair to say he looks better than Serral does when Serral only looked shaky in one match up.

Insane amounts of bracket luck is inherent to standard SC2 formats. Can only judge ppl by who they face

Vindicare605

United States16121 Posts

February 12 2023 13:57 GMT

#302

On February 12 2023 22:54 tommey.liang wrote:

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The IEM Katowice 2021 championship run by Reynor is as legit as an offline one imho. Shouldn't be discredited just because it took place during COVID times. He had a gauntlet slew of opponents - Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest - players on all sides had ping and latency issues and mishaps.

Yea I agree.

But that said. Offline vs Online has been a distinction for YEARS in SC2, it's also not fair to just exclude IEM Katowice from that distinction just because it was a good tournament.

We count Reynor's online cup the same as an offline and we should start reevaluating how we count EVERY online championship.

It's a can of worms. I can understand why it's best to just leave it as an asterisk and call it a day.

Vindicare605

United States16121 Posts

February 12 2023 13:58 GMT

#303

On February 12 2023 22:57 tigera6 wrote:
They need to STOP showing those 1st person view, unless they know there will be no action.

I know, it's getting to me too.

Acrofales

Spain18275 Posts

February 12 2023 13:58 GMT

#304

This is going to be a brutal and fast 3-0, regardless of how the casters try to hype up Oliveira.

Luolis

Finland7166 Posts

February 12 2023 13:59 GMT

#305

This is about as dominant as i expect Maru vs Ragnarok to be.

Topin

Peru10112 Posts

February 12 2023 13:59 GMT

#306

Reynor is just better... poor Time

Elentos

55571 Posts

February 12 2023 14:00 GMT

#307

I don't understand Oliveira's game plan honestly. He's not really getting any initiative so far in either game, he does very economic and slow openers. He's going into Reynor's comfort zone and just falling behind easily.

tommey.liang

United States363 Posts

February 12 2023 14:01 GMT

#308

On February 12 2023 22:56 Elentos wrote:

I don't think people are discrediting the run itself but moreso the very idea that you could have a World Championship in just about anything played online - because the offline/online difference is very real much beyond just inevitable cross server issues.

Oh yeah for sure. Immense pressure, nerves, live audience viewing, distractions, noise, mentality, also timezone travel differences (for some players more than others), etc. It was either that or not having IEM Katowice 2021 taking place, though.

dysenterymd

1250 Posts

February 12 2023 14:01 GMT

#309

On February 12 2023 22:57 Vindicare605 wrote:

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Treating it like any other world championship is fine outside of discussions of how Reynor stacks up against other great players of history, imo.

Waxangel

United States33592 Posts

February 12 2023 14:01 GMT

#310

Now that I think about it, Serral really needed TIME in his ear telling him it wasn't lost just yet

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

February 12 2023 14:02 GMT

#311

Kinda intimidating having Creep reaching all the way to Oliveira's third.

Elentos

55571 Posts

February 12 2023 14:02 GMT

#312

Reynor is just toying with him here honestly. The game would have been over a while ago if he just stopped himself from counter-attacking with small forces for a while and just properly crushed him once.