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[IEM] Katowice 2023 - RO8, RO4, Grand Finals - Page 16

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Balance whining will be moderated aggressively

-Wax
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:57:20
February 12 2023 13:57 GMT
#301
On February 12 2023 22:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:52 Blissyu2 wrote:
Reynor looks about a million times better than Serral anyway. Reynor is a chance of winning the whole thing.


Reynor has dodged ZvZ all tournament thanks to bracket luck. It's not fair to say he looks better than Serral does when Serral only looked shaky in one match up.


Insane amounts of bracket luck is inherent to standard SC2 formats. Can only judge ppl by who they face
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 12 2023 13:57 GMT
#302
On February 12 2023 22:54 tommey.liang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Having watched that tournament run, I don't want to give him an asterisk for that trophy but I can understand why others might.



The IEM Katowice 2021 championship run by Reynor is as legit as an offline one imho. Shouldn't be discredited just because it took place during COVID times. He had a gauntlet slew of opponents - Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest - players on all sides had ping and latency issues and mishaps.


Yea I agree.

But that said. Offline vs Online has been a distinction for YEARS in SC2, it's also not fair to just exclude IEM Katowice from that distinction just because it was a good tournament.

We count Reynor's online cup the same as an offline and we should start reevaluating how we count EVERY online championship.

It's a can of worms. I can understand why it's best to just leave it as an asterisk and call it a day.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 12 2023 13:58 GMT
#303
On February 12 2023 22:57 tigera6 wrote:
They need to STOP showing those 1st person view, unless they know there will be no action.


I know, it's getting to me too.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18444 Posts
February 12 2023 13:58 GMT
#304
This is going to be a brutal and fast 3-0, regardless of how the casters try to hype up Oliveira.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7195 Posts
February 12 2023 13:59 GMT
#305
This is about as dominant as i expect Maru vs Ragnarok to be.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
February 12 2023 13:59 GMT
#306
Reynor is just better... poor Time
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 14:00 GMT
#307
I don't understand Oliveira's game plan honestly. He's not really getting any initiative so far in either game, he does very economic and slow openers. He's going into Reynor's comfort zone and just falling behind easily.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
February 12 2023 14:01 GMT
#308
On February 12 2023 22:56 Elentos wrote:

I don't think people are discrediting the run itself but moreso the very idea that you could have a World Championship in just about anything played online - because the offline/online difference is very real much beyond just inevitable cross server issues.


Oh yeah for sure. Immense pressure, nerves, live audience viewing, distractions, noise, mentality, also timezone travel differences (for some players more than others), etc. It was either that or not having IEM Katowice 2021 taking place, though.

FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 14:01:50
February 12 2023 14:01 GMT
#309
On February 12 2023 22:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:54 tommey.liang wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Having watched that tournament run, I don't want to give him an asterisk for that trophy but I can understand why others might.



The IEM Katowice 2021 championship run by Reynor is as legit as an offline one imho. Shouldn't be discredited just because it took place during COVID times. He had a gauntlet slew of opponents - Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest - players on all sides had ping and latency issues and mishaps.


Yea I agree.

But that said. Offline vs Online has been a distinction for YEARS in SC2, it's also not fair to just exclude IEM Katowice from that distinction just because it was a good tournament.

We count Reynor's online cup the same as an offline and we should start reevaluating how we count EVERY online championship.

It's a can of worms. I can understand why it's best to just leave it as an asterisk and call it a day.

Treating it like any other world championship is fine outside of discussions of how Reynor stacks up against other great players of history, imo.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
February 12 2023 14:01 GMT
#310
Now that I think about it, Serral really needed TIME in his ear telling him it wasn't lost just yet

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 12 2023 14:02 GMT
#311
Kinda intimidating having Creep reaching all the way to Oliveira's third.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 14:02 GMT
#312
Reynor is just toying with him here honestly. The game would have been over a while ago if he just stopped himself from counter-attacking with small forces for a while and just properly crushed him once.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 12 2023 14:03 GMT
#313
On February 12 2023 22:55 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:54 Nakajin wrote:
I think Reynor-herO would be an interesting match honestly, Reynor is a lot more fun in the match up

As long as herO wins I don't really mind either way


Agreed. herO winning is the best timeline
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
February 12 2023 14:03 GMT
#314
On February 12 2023 23:01 Waxangel wrote:
Now that I think about it, Serral really needed TIME in his ear telling him it wasn't lost just yet

https://twitter.com/WTL_SC2/status/1611713841737629696


Serral's greatest enemy is himself!
FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 12 2023 14:04 GMT
#315
OMFG Oliveira kills the Baneling nest.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
February 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#316
Yo, Oliveira going out with a bang. Love to see it
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#317
SO CLOSE!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
February 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#318
wtf just happened there holy shit
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18444 Posts
February 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#319
That was super close. But... it didn't. So now he's dead.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
February 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#320
Ah man one bane away from a miracle
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