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[IEM] Katowice 2023 - RO8, RO4, Grand Finals - Page 13

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 13:30 GMT
#241
How long's it been since the best non-Korean performance at an international event wasn't by a European or NA player?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
February 12 2023 13:30 GMT
#242
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:32:55
February 12 2023 13:31 GMT
#243
On February 12 2023 22:27 Pandemona wrote:
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?


At the time he shakes his head he is down 3 army supply.

If he retreats with the 4 roaches he has on top of the ramp in his nat and wait for reinforcements + a temporary drone pull he holds it off somewhat easily (although the economy difference will be evened out somewhat).

At the exact time he GG*ed, yeh it was pretty tough but he given up doing anything 5 seconds prior.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:33:07
February 12 2023 13:32 GMT
#244
Head to head is 16 to 3 maps for Reynor, doesn't look great for Time
You're now breathing manually
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 12 2023 13:33 GMT
#245
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.

I personally consider it half a world championship because it was online. Not a knock on Reynor, he played so well and is clearly capable of winning an offline world championship, but there will always be that asterik on that win.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
February 12 2023 13:33 GMT
#246
On February 12 2023 22:19 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:16 tigera6 wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:14 TossHeroes wrote:
Serral with an Idra Gged. That push was holdable with a few drone pull will still be ahead of Rag. Then again Serral didn’t have full access to information like us viewers

Maru now has an easy path to finals since Rag is quite bad in tvz (worst than solar by a mile)


Ragnarok ZvT are pretty great, he has beaten top Terran before, including Clem, Cure, Bunny, Gumiho, EXCEPT for Maru.


He lost to Clem in this tournament and Cure played him VERY VERY close.

Of the Zergs remaining he's the weakest by far in the match up, and then there's the fact that he's scared of Maru by his own admission in the GSL finals last year.


Clem destroyed Serral and Reynor as well this year, maybe not on the new patch but that doesn’t mean much?
WriterMaru
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
February 12 2023 13:34 GMT
#247
On February 12 2023 22:32 Sent. wrote:
Head to head is 16 to 3 maps for Raynor, doesn't look great for Time


But Olivera's TvZ is getting sharper these days. He can deliver good series at least what Heromarine has done to Reynor before.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
February 12 2023 13:34 GMT
#248
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Having watched that tournament run, I don't want to give him an asterisk for that trophy but I can understand why others might.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 12 2023 13:35 GMT
#249
7000 viewers left because Serral lost?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
February 12 2023 13:35 GMT
#250
Triple world champions = Rogue
Double world champions = sOs, Serral
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
February 12 2023 13:35 GMT
#251
Can Time keep the upset going?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 12 2023 13:35 GMT
#252
On February 12 2023 22:31 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:27 Pandemona wrote:
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?


At the time he shakes his head he is down 3 army supply.

If he retreats with the 4 roaches he has on top of the ramp in his nat and wait for reinforcements + a temporary drone pull he holds it off somewhat easily (although the economy difference will be evened out somewhat).

At the exact time he GG*ed, yeh it was pretty tough but he given up doing anything 5 seconds prior.

He was down 3 army supply while 20 of his army supply were in production, i.e. dead.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
February 12 2023 13:35 GMT
#253
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
February 12 2023 13:36 GMT
#254
On February 12 2023 22:35 Nakajin wrote:
Can Time keep the upset going?


He's playing with house money dude. He's already further than most thought he'd get so any matches he wins from here is just adding to that run.

Could mean he plays better than he ever has, or it could be he drops out 0-3. Different players handle the lack of pressure TIME is under differently.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
February 12 2023 13:36 GMT
#255
On February 12 2023 22:35 SmoKim wrote:
7000 viewers left because Serral lost?


Xainon is in shamble.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#256
On February 12 2023 22:35 swarminfestor wrote:
Triple world champions = Rogue
Double world champions = sOs, Serral

sOs has 3 world championships as well (one IEM Katowice and 2 WCS)
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#257
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Eh I'm a big everything is valid person. Like I hate all that stuff about people trying to discredit the Lakers NBA championship in the bubble, and I hate the lakers too
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:39:41
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#258
On February 12 2023 22:35 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:31 Hider wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:27 Pandemona wrote:
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?


At the time he shakes his head he is down 3 army supply.

If he retreats with the 4 roaches he has on top of the ramp in his nat and wait for reinforcements + a temporary drone pull he holds it off somewhat easily (although the economy difference will be evened out somewhat).

At the exact time he GG*ed, yeh it was pretty tough but he given up doing anything 5 seconds prior.

He was down 3 army supply while 20 of his army supply were in production, i.e. dead.


No that's why you retreat further back and then pull drones. You just need to win a few seconds there. Most of them were just about to pop out. Serral not even attempting to retreat indicated he wasn't aware just how much he had in production.

There is almost zero chance he doesn't survive that engagement if he does that.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#259
On February 12 2023 22:35 swarminfestor wrote:
Triple world champions = Rogue
Double world champions = sOs, Serral

sOs is a triple world championship arguably, depending on at what point you consider IEM world championships to count.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#260
On February 12 2023 22:35 Waxangel wrote:
https://twitter.com/Serral_SC2/status/1624763283692564480

Wasn't it Lambo saying that nobody in Europe was practicing ZvZ these days and that Serral laughed at him when he asked him to play?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
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