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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 12 2023 13:19 GMT
#221
Poor Serral, he must feel horrible after rewinding the replay.

Gz and wp to Ragnarok though.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2450 Posts
February 12 2023 13:20 GMT
#222
On February 12 2023 22:18 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:16 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Having the Maru Serral banger TvZ replaced with Maru Rag is a bit sad =/

Maru Serral would've been a boring 3-0 for Serral


Also, it is always Maru vs Reynor rivalry instead of Serral as they do not meet often much even in the final. The last final match between them that I can remember is Kubo tourney?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 12 2023 13:21 GMT
#223
On February 12 2023 22:16 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Agreed it's a way early GG from Serral but hot take doesn't matter too much in the end. A deep run in his tournament would most likely involve facing Reynor or Dark and he ain't beating either playing ZvZ like that.


Dark's only ZvZ this tournament has been an 0-2 loss to Ragnarok. Reynor hasn't played any ZvZ.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 12 2023 13:21 GMT
#224
On February 12 2023 22:18 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:10 Elentos wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:08 Elentos wrote:
In this game everybody is misreading everything


Including Serral! Was that an Idra GG? I think that was an Idra GG!

He was on even supply but up 20 workers. He was losing the fight bad.


He really should have won the last fight though. Could simply have retreated to natural, pulled 15 drones etc. Instead, he ended up being trapped by the ling surround, which definitely put him far behind.

However, even then he had 9 roaches just about to spawn. With a worker pull he probably holds on. Definitely felt like Serral misread the state of the game somewhat there. Not aware how far ahead he was in economy.

Because he never saw that Ragnarok only had 7 drones mining in the natural. He got tricked. I agree if he has that info he plays the defense differently and can hold. If he pulls drones once all the banelings are gone he can probably hold. But by the time he left his entire defense was already falling apart. How many of those 9 roaches were going to spawn into a surround by the 3rd?
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
February 12 2023 13:22 GMT
#225
Really feels like Serral lost to himself there. Whole series was just looking off, kinda like a player who just wants the game to end, no matter who wins it. Shame
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Blissyu2
Profile Joined February 2023
Australia19 Posts
February 12 2023 13:22 GMT
#226
I thought Serral had held it, then he was shaking his head and typed GG. Total misread. Maybe Rag could've still won, but another 2 minutes would have been good. Definitely premature GG in final game.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 12 2023 13:22 GMT
#227
On February 12 2023 22:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:18 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:16 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Having the Maru Serral banger TvZ replaced with Maru Rag is a bit sad =/

Maru Serral would've been a boring 3-0 for Serral


Also, it is always Maru vs Reynor rivalry instead of Serral as they do not meet often much even in the final. The last final match between them that I can remember is Kubo tourney?


Maru-Reynor always produce better matches yeah
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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
February 12 2023 13:23 GMT
#228
On February 12 2023 22:11 tigera6 wrote:
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On February 12 2023 22:10 tommey.liang wrote:
Did Serral pre-emptively GG? Need to rewatch that.

Ragnarok outsting the 2022 IEM Katowice champion of Joona Sotala in the quarterfinals. Great series.

He definitely did, up 20 workers and only down like 10 army supply he can totally get past this attack. Especially its a freaking GAME 5, you dont gg like that.


For sure. We all wish Joona could have played a little longer, given he is the defending world champ. I'm sure he'll remember and analyze this Game 5 for a very long time.. also learned he left ENCE Esports (it disbanded), and is now with Basilisk, which is Beomulf's and RotterdaM's team. Oh wow.

Here's to hoping the Ragnarok-Maru series in IEM will be more competitive than their recent GSL finals matchup.

Random: But today is also the Super Bowl! Two of my favorite sporting events of the year.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45678 Posts
February 12 2023 13:23 GMT
#229
So now Oliveira vs. Reynor decides which remaining foreigner tries to beat the Koreans in the final two rounds.
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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
February 12 2023 13:24 GMT
#230
Holy moly the RagGod?!
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:28:16
February 12 2023 13:25 GMT
#231
On February 12 2023 22:21 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:18 Hider wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:10 Elentos wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:08 Elentos wrote:
In this game everybody is misreading everything


Including Serral! Was that an Idra GG? I think that was an Idra GG!

He was on even supply but up 20 workers. He was losing the fight bad.


He really should have won the last fight though. Could simply have retreated to natural, pulled 15 drones etc. Instead, he ended up being trapped by the ling surround, which definitely put him far behind.

However, even then he had 9 roaches just about to spawn. With a worker pull he probably holds on. Definitely felt like Serral misread the state of the game somewhat there. Not aware how far ahead he was in economy.

Because he never saw that Ragnarok only had 7 drones mining in the natural. He got tricked. I agree if he has that info he plays the defense differently and can hold. If he pulls drones once all the banelings are gone he can probably hold. But by the time he left his entire defense was already falling apart. How many of those 9 roaches were going to spawn into a surround by the 3rd?


Yeh that is true. The issue with the roaches is definitely the subpar spawns. However, that's why I mention he has to pull some drones as well. With some drone-pulling he holds it off. After that the game-state should even out somewhat.

Because he never saw that Ragnarok only had 7 drones mining in the natural.


Unless Ragnarok messed up macro completely, I feel like top zergs should always be loosely aware of what the drone-count is at any given point in time?

I think the larger issue here is that Serral himself wasn't aware how many roaches were about to pop out. If he knew he was going to have a total of 14+ roaches < 10 seconds, he doesn't GG there.

There are some similarities to Idra gg here. Although both vs MMA and Huk Idra had effectively won both games whereas in this scenario it would be much more even.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 12 2023 13:25 GMT
#232
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.
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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
February 12 2023 13:25 GMT
#233
On February 12 2023 22:22 Luolis wrote:
Really feels like Serral lost to himself there. Whole series was just looking off, kinda like a player who just wants the game to end, no matter who wins it. Shame


A lot of mentality goes into SC2 definitely. Psyche affects play.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 12 2023 13:25 GMT
#234
It's finally time for ChiNA, which has once again proven to be the best NA.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 12 2023 13:25 GMT
#235
Oliveira 3-2 Reynor
Hero 3-1 Dark

Maru 3-2 Ragnagod
Hero 3-1 Oliveira

Maru 4-3 Hero
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#236
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
February 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#237
Honestly the results for this tournament have been decent so far, I haven't watched the games but this is very unlikely to be a mirror finals and none of the matchups feel completely hopeless apart from maaaybe Reynor vs herO and even that I'm not entirely sure
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peak5g
Profile Joined February 2023
5 Posts
February 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#238
Reynor is going to clap oliveira
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2450 Posts
February 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#239
On February 12 2023 22:25 Elentos wrote:
It's finally time for ChiNA, which has once again proven to be the best NA.


I heard he is studying abroad. Which country he want to settle in?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
February 12 2023 13:29 GMT
#240
Just rewatched G5, at some point Serra scouted with a ling drones moving from the natural entrance to the third like normal droning, but Ragnarok was transfering workers from either the nat or the main to the 3rd to make the illusion of droning. Props to Ragna for that.
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