EPTOn November 14 2021 23:37 Nakajin wrote:
Sooooo, how many day left since TY finish his military?
Sooooo, how many day left since TY finish his military?
Isn't it sometime towards the end of this year?
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buzz_bender
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Isn't it sometime towards the end of this year? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:32 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Quite the opposite. The only reason you're pretending to care now is because you need it to build to your conclusion. Nobody's cared about low prestige tournaments in eleven years, and nobody still cares today except when needed to pretend Protoss is doing fine. See how many time these tier 2 tournaments were brought up in the GOAT arguments earlier in this thread to see for yourself. I have no motive to pretend Protoss is fine when it isn't, actually I'm a fan of a lot of their players. I just think it's kinda weird to complain that they don't win a specific kind of tournament. Unless you claim that Zergs and Terrans take it easy in tier 2 tournaments, the conclusion should be that it's just a weird coincidence they don't win tier 1 ones. They actually reached the finals of tier 1 tournaments often so according to you the Protoss imbalance only activates once a Protoss reaches the final of a tier 1 tournament? No statistic except the winrate of them at tier 1 tournament finals supports the claim that they're underpowered. | ||
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jamesjapp
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:38 jamesjapp wrote: Maru is 14-1 on maps vs Clem in the last 12 months, that is insane. The best terran having a 90%+ winrate against the next best terran is certainly something | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:38 jamesjapp wrote: Maru is 14-1 on maps vs Clem in the last 12 months, that is insane. Is it really that bad? Oh my god lol | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:39 Fango wrote: The best terran having a 90%+ winrate against the next best terran is certainly something the most dominant a player has ever been in a matchup? | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
"everyone's just doing the same thing whatever" God damit Maru | ||
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Poopi
France12912 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:40 Charoisaur wrote: the most dominant a player has ever been in a matchup? Only possible comparison is Innovations 27-3 TvZ streak in 2013. There Innovation literally almost never lost maps | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:38 buzz_bender wrote: Isn't it sometime towards the end of this year? TY's been in the military for less than 6 months. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:41 Pandain wrote: Only possible comparison is Innovations 27-3 TvZ streak in 2013. There Innovation literally almost never lost maps I think PartinG's 2015 PvT was also up there | ||
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tigera6
3484 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:38 buzz_bender wrote: Isn't it sometime towards the end of this year? Try the end of next year, and more likely after the following IEM. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:38 Charoisaur wrote: I have no motive to pretend Protoss is fine when it isn't, actually I'm a fan of a lot of their players. I just think it's kinda weird to complain that they don't win a specific kind of tournament. Unless you claim that Zergs and Terrans take it easy in tier 2 tournaments, the conclusion should be that it's just a weird coincidence they don't win tier 1 ones. They actually reached the finals of tier 1 tournaments often so according to you the Protoss imbalance only activates once a Protoss reaches the final of a tier 1 tournament? No statistic except the winrate of them at tier 1 tournament finals supports the claim that they're underpowered. I'm not gonna double-check that, because even if the only statistic that supports the claim that Protoss is underpowered is that they don't win any important tournaments, that is completely sufficient since that is the entire point of competitive StarCraft. I don't care at all how well they perform in irrelevant statistics. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:40 Charoisaur wrote: the most dominant a player has ever been in a matchup? Zest in PvP in 2014 didn't have the same winrate but had way more competition because 2014 was the year of toss. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:41 Pandain wrote: Only possible comparison is Innovations 27-3 TvZ streak in 2013. There Innovation literally almost never lost maps no macro TvZ loss in half a year if I remember correctly. Only some losses to Roach Bane allins. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:42 Charoisaur wrote: I think PartinG's 2015 PvT was also up there Serral ZvP was also pretty darn good | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:43 Charoisaur wrote: no macro TvZ loss in half a year if I remember correctly. Only some losses to Roach Bane allins. Some roach bane allins lead to some pretty historic losses tho | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:43 Charoisaur wrote: no macro TvZ loss in half a year if I remember correctly. Only some losses to Roach Bane allins. thats NBA-like cherry picking stats. "most dunks in the season games 24-39 when the sun was shining and playing at home" I think if you want to talk dominance and winrates, there is no picking "macro games" etc. No offence obviously but a loss is a loss. You can make any player look dominant if you pick the stats your way ^^ | ||
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jamesjapp
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On November 14 2021 23:42 Charoisaur wrote: I think PartinG's 2015 PvT was also up there IIRC Stats had like 20 PvP wins in a row some years back and Trap had 95% PvT win rate. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 23:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm not gonna double-check that, because even if the only statistic that supports the claim that Protoss is underpowered is that they don't win any important tournaments, that is completely sufficient since that is the entire point of competitive StarCraft. I don't care at all how well they perform in irrelevant statistics. yeah then agree to disagree. I don't think it's a balance problem if they are doing fine in everything except that. | ||
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