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I’ll only believe it will happen when we are loaded into game 1 of Serral vs Maru.
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On December 13 2020 22:48 Zzoram wrote:
I’ll only believe it will happen when we are loaded into game 1 of Serral vs Maru.
It s like the worst possible timing.
Online
In the middle of the breaket
Both are way of their respected primes in 2018
Maru is injured
It s just like Serral - Dark yesterday. Yes it s still going to be an pretty amazing match, nontheless.
But it s nothing compared to what we all wanted back at BlizzCon 2018 unfortunaltely 
I m 100% ready to see a 3-0 boop either way. It can t be a amazing all - the - way 5 Games series. The universe is just not going to make it happen.
What about a disconnect or 2 mixed in just to spice it up even more?  I m just preparing here for the worst.
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On December 13 2020 22:57 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 22:48 Zzoram wrote:
I’ll only believe it will happen when we are loaded into game 1 of Serral vs Maru. It s like the worst possible timing. Online In the middle of the breaket Both are way of their respected primes in 2018 Maru is injured It s just like Serral - Dark yesterday. Yes it s still going to be an pretty amazing match, nontheless. But it s nothing compared to what we all wanted back at BlizzCon 2018 unfortunaltely I m 100% ready to see a 3-0 boop either way. It can t be a amazing all - the - way 5 Games series. The universe is just not going to make it happen. What about a disconnect or 2 mixed in just to spice it up even more? I m just preparing here for the worst.
I am declaring, that they will meet again later in this tournament, and it will be a revelation
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I’m not sure that Serral is that far off his prime form, seems like EU had some major revelations that provided him with actual competition, so it wasn’t just him at the tippity top
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On December 13 2020 22:57 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 22:48 Zzoram wrote:
I’ll only believe it will happen when we are loaded into game 1 of Serral vs Maru. It s like the worst possible timing. Online In the middle of the breaket Both are way of their respected primes in 2018 Maru is injured It s just like Serral - Dark yesterday. Yes it s still going to be an pretty amazing match, nontheless. But it s nothing compared to what we all wanted back at BlizzCon 2018 unfortunaltely I m 100% ready to see a 3-0 boop either way. It can t be a amazing all - the - way 5 Games series. The universe is just not going to make it happen. What about a disconnect or 2 mixed in just to spice it up even more? I m just preparing here for the worst.
The GOAT is not Serral or Maru .. it is the Serral - Maru match up that has not been defeated in two years and counting. It has defied all odds, it has survived multiple tournaments, it has survived blizzard rigging their bracket. It is truly the GOAT!
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I wonder if there will be another Mr. Bitter cameo like yesterday  Of course, ZG + Rotti have been on point so far!
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On December 14 2020 00:44 Poaktree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 22:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On December 13 2020 22:48 Zzoram wrote:
I’ll only believe it will happen when we are loaded into game 1 of Serral vs Maru. It s like the worst possible timing. Online In the middle of the breaket Both are way of their respected primes in 2018 Maru is injured It s just like Serral - Dark yesterday. Yes it s still going to be an pretty amazing match, nontheless. But it s nothing compared to what we all wanted back at BlizzCon 2018 unfortunaltely I m 100% ready to see a 3-0 boop either way. It can t be a amazing all - the - way 5 Games series. The universe is just not going to make it happen. What about a disconnect or 2 mixed in just to spice it up even more? I m just preparing here for the worst. The GOAT is not Serral or Maru .. it is the Serral - Maru match up that has not been defeated in two years and counting. It has defied all odds, it has survived multiple tournaments, it has survived blizzard rigging their bracket. It is truly the GOAT!
I mean it happened like a month ago
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We need more Casting Archon names, WardiGrub? ZombieDam?
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On December 14 2020 00:52 Zambrah wrote:
We need more Casting Archon names, WardiGrub? ZombieDam?
ZombieRot
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ZombieGrub + Wardi is clearly Grubi
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On December 14 2020 00:59 Elentos wrote:ZombieGrub + Wardi is clearly Grubi
The greatest UK-US duo since FDR and Churchill 
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Shoutout to Benny and the Boys, the most tight-knit group in the history of esports.
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Will we get another awesome suprise like Mr.Bitter casting yesterday?
On December 14 2020 00:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 00:52 Zambrah wrote:
We need more Casting Archon names, WardiGrub? ZombieDam? ZombieRot
I like it. Its catchy
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great silly build to launch the day ^^
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Dark needs to respond with a Baneling bust.
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On December 14 2020 01:13 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Dark needs to respond with a Baneling bust.
Dark bane bust in game 2, PartinG soul train in game 3, Dark roach max in game 4 and then in game 5 they play a game like it's 2020.
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That was uninspired to be sure.
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On December 14 2020 01:15 irvnasty wrote:
That was uninspired to be sure.
I think it's rather inspired to proxy 3 warpgates after your cannon rush completely fails and you're walled in, unable to expand.
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Spectacle for the Spectacle Gods! Cheese for the Throne of Cheese!
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This kinda reminds me of the Great Wall of HongUn.
EDIT: The clear difference between this and 2010 is the lack of stubbornness from the aggressive players. This could've lasted another five minutes  .
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This series is straight fire
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I hope we're done with that kind of games and that we get a somewhat decent bo3 now
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haha Parting with full-on protoss shenanigans, absolutely dirty
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On December 14 2020 01:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I hope we're done with that kind of games and that we get a somewhat decent bo3 now
there's 8 BO5's today, let degenerates like me have this one
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On December 14 2020 01:21 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
haha Parting with full-on protoss shenanigans, absolutely dirty
Nothing dirtier than defending your natural from a proxy hatch
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On December 14 2020 01:21 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I hope we're done with that kind of games and that we get a somewhat decent bo3 now there's 8 BO5's today, let degenerates like me have this one
hahah I also love to see some unorthodox games from time to time
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Failed cannon rush into failed 4-gate
Failed proxy hatch
Failed adept all-in?
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I don't see what advantage PartinG got from going 5 gate adept over 3 or 4 gate 
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I don't understand this skin set. The Adepts are robots but Dark Templar aren't?
EDIT: Zealots also robots. Will update if we find out about High Templar.
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On December 14 2020 01:29 Elentos wrote:I don't see what advantage PartinG got from going 5 gate adept over 3 or 4 gate
I've seen this build fail twice recently, I don't understand how it's superior to the usual versions either
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I don't understand how PartinG is still in a game he lost 7 minutes ago
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On December 14 2020 01:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't understand how PartinG is still in a game he lost 7 minutes ago
He just didn't leave yet
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On December 14 2020 01:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't understand how PartinG is still in a game he lost 7 minutes ago He just didn't leave yet
at last. That was rather tedious to watch, although with hindsight I can get why he stayed in the game
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So what build is Dark now going to use to ruin his chances of winning the map?
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On December 14 2020 01:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:36 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 01:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't understand how PartinG is still in a game he lost 7 minutes ago He just didn't leave yet at last. That was rather tedious to watch, although with hindsight I can get why he stayed in the game
u should extend such empathy to progamers more often
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Triple stargate phoenix? God this series is weird
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3 sg phoenix ? I was pretty sure he was going mass VR. Is it usual ?
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3SG Phoenix is so expensive to build an army that eventually you know you have to transition out of, but it's also so much power when it first arrives.
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this is such a weird series haha
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On December 14 2020 01:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
3 sg phoenix ? I was pretty sure he was going mass VR. Is it usual ?
I haven't seen anyone go 3 stargate phoenix
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On December 14 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
3 sg phoenix ? I was pretty sure he was going mass VR. Is it usual ? I haven't seen anyone go 3 stargate phoenix
That reassures me. It goes without saying I had never seen anyone go 2 robo colo + blink out of it either
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Nice overextension, PartinG.
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Okay why was PartinG out on the map and why did he think it was a good idea to take a shit fight like that
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On December 14 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Okay why was PartinG out on the map and why did he think it was a good idea to take a shit fight like that
this isn't even in the top10 of the things I didn't understand with that series - but yeah, mesmerizing
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That Blinding Cloud is actually ridiculous.
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On December 14 2020 01:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Okay why was PartinG out on the map and why did he think it was a good idea to take a shit fight like that this isn't even in the top10 of the things I didn't understand with that series - but yeah, mesmerizing
It was pretty funny to tune in and almost immediately see that happen. Has the whole series been like that?
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On December 14 2020 01:50 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Okay why was PartinG out on the map and why did he think it was a good idea to take a shit fight like that this isn't even in the top10 of the things I didn't understand with that series - but yeah, mesmerizing It was pretty funny to tune in and almost immediately see that happen. Has the whole series been like that?
It's been pretty extreme
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One voidray into one oracle into triple pheonix without doing much, that was terrible
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On December 14 2020 01:50 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Okay why was PartinG out on the map and why did he think it was a good idea to take a shit fight like that this isn't even in the top10 of the things I didn't understand with that series - but yeah, mesmerizing It was pretty funny to tune in and almost immediately see that happen. Has the whole series been like that?
if you like weirdness and offbeat things this is a must see if there is any
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I don't expect any series today to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^
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Solar vs. Cure is a great matchup. It'll be interesting if Cure is still showing the widow-mine heavy early game or if he's moved on. Also interesting to see if Solar plays a lurker style if it goes late.
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On December 14 2020 01:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't expect any series to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^
I don't think anything in this series was stranger that Elazer's attempted proxy two Hatchery Hydra Bust, so I feel we can still do better.
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On December 14 2020 01:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't expect any series to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^ I don't think anything in this series was stranger that Elazer's attempted proxy two Hatchery Hydra Bust, so I feel we can still do better.
Was that even yesterday's craziest strategy, or does PartinG's in-main proxy nexus take the cake?
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On December 14 2020 02:00 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On December 14 2020 01:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't expect any series to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^ I don't think anything in this series was stranger that Elazer's attempted proxy two Hatchery Hydra Bust, so I feel we can still do better. Was that even yesterday's craziest strategy, or does PartinG's in-main proxy nexus take the cake?
I guess I'm jaded because I already saw Sos do that one .
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On December 14 2020 02:00 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 01:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On December 14 2020 01:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't expect any series to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^ I don't think anything in this series was stranger that Elazer's attempted proxy two Hatchery Hydra Bust, so I feel we can still do better. Was that even yesterday's craziest strategy, or does PartinG's in-main proxy nexus take the cake?
I think we should strive for crazy strategies that are actually good.
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On December 14 2020 02:03 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 02:00 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 01:57 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On December 14 2020 01:54 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't expect any series to be stranger than this one. That was quite a ride ^^ I don't think anything in this series was stranger that Elazer's attempted proxy two Hatchery Hydra Bust, so I feel we can still do better. Was that even yesterday's craziest strategy, or does PartinG's in-main proxy nexus take the cake? I think we should strive for crazy strategies that are actually good.
we should strive to judge strategies by the process and not just the result
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Cure really affected by the ping in this game 2
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Is either player happy when a Banshee kills an Extractor?
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On December 14 2020 02:19 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Is either player happy when a Banshee kills an Extractor?
If it kills an extractor but dies to queens, the Zerg is happy. If it lives the Terran is okay with it.
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Widow Mine into Thor for terrible, terrible damage.
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That angle Cure is pushing through reminds me of the corner corridors on Overgrowth
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3/3 Ultras vs 2/2 bio :0
The rare set-up for Ultras into win?
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Cure was a bit of a blunt instrument in that one. Was never attacking in more than one place.
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On December 14 2020 02:26 Waxangel wrote:
3/3 Ultras vs 2/2 bio :0
The rare set-up for Ultras into win?
I don't play Zerg, so correct me if I got this wrong, but Ultralisk seems to be a closer for a game that was mostly won in the ling/bane/Muta mid-game?
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On December 14 2020 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 02:26 Waxangel wrote:
3/3 Ultras vs 2/2 bio :0
The rare set-up for Ultras into win? I don't play Zerg, so correct me if I got this wrong, but Ultralisk seems to be a closer for a game that was mostly won in the ling/bane/Muta mid-game?
Yes, they end up being a 'win more' unit pretty often. I'm pretty sure it's not as bad as the meme suggests, but it sure is a fun meme
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2 series in and I think we can say with confidence that all players involved have had better days
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I liked that base trade from Solar. That was decisive.
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Single Muta trying to clear out the Liberators .
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Cure opting for liberators instead of ghosts on a relatively open map and against mutas seems wrong, but they worked out there.
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He actually made more Mutas, I was wondering if that was what Zerg had to do here.
EDIT: Now he's made Corruptors, so I guess not? Those Mutas were probably a mistake?
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Don't know if Solar has great late-game TvZ or Cure has terrible late-game TvZ
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I enjoyed that game a lot.
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Cure going for the same opening again?
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I'd like to see Cure focus on taking a 4th rather than pushing here.
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On December 14 2020 03:03 irvnasty wrote:
I'd like to see Cure focus on taking a 4th rather than pushing here.
I think he's doing both simultaneously, as taking a fourth might be safer to do when Zerg is defending.
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Ultralisks going rogue again today, just like yesterday lol
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On December 14 2020 03:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 03:03 irvnasty wrote:
I'd like to see Cure focus on taking a 4th rather than pushing here. I think he's doing both simultaneously, as taking a fourth might be safer to do when Zerg is defending.
Yup. Worked out that way this time. In previous games runbys were able to delay it. Now I think he needs to invest this bank in ghost tech. And, as I say that... the bank is gone.
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Game-ending smash right there. 3-1 incoming.
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Cure splitting like he has massive ping
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On December 14 2020 03:11 darklycid wrote:Cure splitting like he has massive ping
Playing at 3 am will do that to you
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What a great interview! Solar seems like a really fun guy
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On December 14 2020 02:18 Elentos wrote:Cure really affected by the ping in this game 2
damn, using ping both sincerely and sarcastically, truly an agent of chaos with no actual principles
(that's my shtick!)
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I can't wait for this to buck expectations and be the cheesiest series of the whole tournament.
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glad dark seems to take this tournament more seriously than earlier eu-kr online events. he seemed to not care. same for rogue.
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Had to go for an errand. How was game 1?
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On December 14 2020 03:47 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Had to go for an errand. How was game 1?
Proxy reaper got a couple probe kills, flowed well into a tank push behind the mineral wall at the 3rd. Stats had gone blink, had 2 immortals and 1 colossus, and he microed horribly and lost everything to the tanks almost immediately and had to gg when HM's reinforcing bio arrived.
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Come on, one time that Colossus cliffwalking might have been pertinent!
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On December 14 2020 03:50 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 03:47 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Had to go for an errand. How was game 1? Proxy reaper got a couple probe kills, flowed well into a tank push behind the mineral wall at the 3rd. Stats had gone blink, had 2 immortals and 1 colossus, and he microed horribly and lost everything to the tanks almost immediately and had to gg when HM's reinforcing bio arrived.
Thanks!
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This is the worst I have seen Stats play since the first 3 games against Trap
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Those mines, though .
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I'm always resistant to making excuses for players. As we approach 4AM Korean time, however, I must say that Stats looks worse than I can ever recall, and I wish there were a way to schedule just a bit better.
I'm worried we're going to see Maru and Zest flop a bit as well. Caffeine can only do so much.
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These fights Stats is taking look so ugly. Just random bits of army everywhere attacking random buildings. Regardless a 30 army supply advantage that is entirely composed of medivacs isn't near enough.
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Shouldn't Serral vs Maru be a replay cast as well? It's going to be close to 5AM by the time they play, and since they're already doing replays for others then it shouldn't be a big problem doing it for Serral/Maru as well
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that green thing in the battle report.... is a stasis trap rigth?
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On December 14 2020 03:56 Elentos wrote:
These fights Stats is taking look so ugly. Just random bits of army everywhere attacking random buildings. Regardless a 30 army supply advantage that is entirely composed of medivacs isn't near enough.
Agreed. Still up 2-1 too.
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Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards
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On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards
but the current narrative says he is a consistent player
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On December 14 2020 03:56 Elentos wrote:
These fights Stats is taking look so ugly. Just random bits of army everywhere attacking random buildings. Regardless a 30 army supply advantage that is entirely composed of medivacs isn't near enough.
his focus fire is often sloppy in GSL too, even when he's pulling off those 'miracle' holds
he just wins because he generally has the right kind of stuff in the right spot
On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player
get with the times; the current repetitive TL.net preview narrative is that "Stats is not the consistent player he was before"
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On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player
The current narrative from 2017
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Can we get a quick webcam check to make sure it's not Zest playing
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On December 14 2020 04:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player The current narrative from 2017
funny, Stats was put as an example of "more consistent players than maru" 2 days ago in this site.
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Disruptors counter allied zealots pretty well.
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That Disruptor shot just made a whole lot of Terrans happy.
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Disruptor best terran unit.
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I dont understand why use landed viking in main army, HM could try to harras probe lanes with them
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On December 14 2020 04:28 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:23 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player The current narrative from 2017 funny, Stats was put as an example of "more consistent players than maru" 2 days ago in this site.
"More consistent than Maru" is basically a diss.
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On December 14 2020 04:28 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:23 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player The current narrative from 2017 funny, Stats was put as an example of "more consistent players than maru" 2 days ago in this site.
Stats has been used as the model of consistency since 2017. And it holds up considering he has the most top 4s in Premier events in LotV out of all Koreans.
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On December 14 2020 04:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:28 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:23 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player The current narrative from 2017 funny, Stats was put as an example of "more consistent players than maru" 2 days ago in this site. Stats has been used as the model of consistency since 2017. And it holds up considering he has the most top 4s in Premier events in LotV out of all Koreans.
Yeah, but not in 2020 anymore
EDIT: NVM he has a TOOOON of 2nd places lol
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On December 14 2020 04:31 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 04:30 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 04:28 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:23 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On December 14 2020 04:13 sudete wrote:
Stats is playing pretty poorly, compared to his usual standards but the current narrative says he is a consistent player The current narrative from 2017 funny, Stats was put as an example of "more consistent players than maru" 2 days ago in this site. Stats has been used as the model of consistency since 2017. And it holds up considering he has the most top 4s in Premier events in LotV out of all Koreans. Yeah, but not in 2020 anymore EDIT: NVM he has a TOOOON of 2nd places lol
2020 is also kind of a unique thing for Stats because for basically his entire career he was known as a player who performs better on stage than in practice or online. And now this year most big events had to go online.
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Yeah, GSL S1 Stats was Ro16, Katowice Ro12, SuperTournament 1 Ro16.
So it would be fair to say he started 2020 in a bit of a slump, but since then he's been right back at his normal high standard.
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lol what a dumb game five.
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Damn, if gabe didnt mess up that scv pull to his 2nd and then still not finishing his cc, was a dreamstart for him
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I'm always happy to see it when non-Terrans pull their workers into a fight before their entire army is dead.
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On December 14 2020 04:40 Elentos wrote:
I'm always happy to see it when non-Terrans pull their workers into a fight before their entire army is dead.
The probes were stuck behind the other units for the first half of the fight, but you can't have everything I guess.
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If Zest wins it's strike 3 for Harstem
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I hate invisible units. They add a certain element of strategy and tactic into games but I always feel like it's a cheap mechanic with a huge impact. (No matter if MMORPGs, RTS, MOBAs...)
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I wonder how many games the Zest Bank can fund
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Showtime forgot his second group of units in that battle
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On December 14 2020 05:02 habeck wrote:Showtime forgot his second group of units in that battle
This and the zealots in stasis actually created an effective wall on two sides.
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Really where things went wrong for Showtime was when Zest got up the ramp in between the bases for free, at that point even with both halves of the army Showtime is gonna have a hard fight (especially because one flank goes up a ramp into a million archons).
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My Diamond-level reaction would have been to go for Immortals instead of Void Rays. Can someone explain why that's wrong?
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On December 14 2020 05:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
My Diamond-level reaction would have been to go for Immortals instead of Void Rays. Can someone explain why that's wrong?
Maybe it's because voids are cheaper and build slightly faster and Zest spent 400 minerals on a nexus? Or maybe he thought if he goes robo but later he's just so delayed he can't keep up? Also immortals can't kill voids so there's always that.
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On December 14 2020 05:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
My Diamond-level reaction would have been to go for Immortals instead of Void Rays. Can someone explain why that's wrong?
I don't think it's necessarily "wrong", but it has its own downsides. It can't micro away as easily to take maximum advantage of shield batteries, and it's attackable by the opponent's immortals and potentially zealots if they warp them in.
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On December 14 2020 05:20 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
My Diamond-level reaction would have been to go for Immortals instead of Void Rays. Can someone explain why that's wrong? I don't think it's necessarily "wrong", but it has its own downsides. It can't micro away as easily to take maximum advantage of shield batteries, and it's attackable by the opponent's immortals and potentially zealots if they warp them in.
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks.
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It's a bad game to be a sentry
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Another game five incoming!
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On December 14 2020 05:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
THAT'S A STASIS TRAP!
Game winning stasis!
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That was a really bad game from Zest. Supply blocked forever repeatedly, walks into the stasis trap he saw the entire time, has to warp in slow zealots because he lost his cyber core and never even started Charge. Aiaiai
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Zest was looking like the better player in this series until he reached 54 supply in game 4 and ever since then it's all gone to shit.
I suspect he's heavily invested in Harstem's predictions.
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Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers
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If Showtime had capitalized on that stasis, he probably would have immediately won right there at the 8 minute mark in game 5.
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These last 2 games were inexplicably shit from Zest considering the first 3
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Zest really misread that, canceling the 4th and then holding the highground with his batteries would of brought him the time for his upgrade advantage and charge to shine through. Showtime was really comitted there, but again hard to read as a player in that situation GG
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no guardian shield for Zest why did he tried to defend the 4th? gratz Showtime!
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Showtime really is putting up some pretty impressive results in the last weeks.
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On December 14 2020 05:48 Elentos wrote:
These last 2 games were inexplicably shit from Zest considering the first 3
kinda like that ST finals
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Showtime's been on fire recently, if he keeps these sorts of results up he could be a real contender in future European tournaments.
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On December 14 2020 05:49 ilax30 wrote:
Zest really misread that, canceling the 4th and then holding the highground with his batteries would of brought him the time for his upgrade advantage and charge to shine through. Showtime was really comitted there, but again hard to read as a player in that situation GG
Well I'd expect him to be able to count stalkers and realize he can't win that fight to be honest.
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On December 14 2020 05:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:49 ilax30 wrote:
Zest really misread that, canceling the 4th and then holding the highground with his batteries would of brought him the time for his upgrade advantage and charge to shine through. Showtime was really comitted there, but again hard to read as a player in that situation GG Well I'd expect him to be able to count stalkers and realize he can't win that fight to be honest.
Kind of like when Stats chose to defend his third on Deathaura against Trap despite being hopelessly outnumbered and losing his Batteries instantly
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On December 14 2020 05:44 Zzoram wrote:Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers
It's more like 16k across all streams. But I agree, could be more. Still Im hyped
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On December 14 2020 05:56 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:44 Zzoram wrote:Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers It's more like 16k across all streams. But I agree, could be more. Still Im hyped
not quite at the peak of their powers, but it's nice to finally get this BO5 in a tournament with monetary stakes in the 1000's
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I assume Jagannatha and Submarine are vetoes?
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Maru vs. Serral
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On December 14 2020 05:56 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:56 JoeCool wrote:On December 14 2020 05:44 Zzoram wrote:Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers It's more like 16k across all streams. But I agree, could be more. Still Im hyped not quite at the peak of their powers, but it's nice to finally get this BO5 in a tournament with monetary stakes in the 1000's
Yeah but their match doesn't really have any stakes because they reached double elimination, should have been in the Ro32.
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On December 14 2020 05:58 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:56 Waxangel wrote:On December 14 2020 05:56 JoeCool wrote:On December 14 2020 05:44 Zzoram wrote:Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers It's more like 16k across all streams. But I agree, could be more. Still Im hyped not quite at the peak of their powers, but it's nice to finally get this BO5 in a tournament with monetary stakes in the 1000's Yeah but their match doesn't really have any stakes because they reached double elimination, should have been in the Ro32.
Maybe I will host a tournament series where the winner wins actual steaks
or it can be stakes if they want metal skewers
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Actually I guess this match now has the insane stakes of deciding whether Harstem gets 3 strikes or gets 1 right
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Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse.
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On December 14 2020 05:59 Elentos wrote:
Actually I guess this match now has the insane stakes of deciding whether Harstem gets 3 strikes or gets 1 right
Still, what counts as mech?
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On December 14 2020 05:59 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:58 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 05:56 Waxangel wrote:On December 14 2020 05:56 JoeCool wrote:On December 14 2020 05:44 Zzoram wrote:Serral vs Maru finally happens but to only 10K viewers It's more like 16k across all streams. But I agree, could be more. Still Im hyped not quite at the peak of their powers, but it's nice to finally get this BO5 in a tournament with monetary stakes in the 1000's Yeah but their match doesn't really have any stakes because they reached double elimination, should have been in the Ro32. Maybe I will host a tournament series where the winner wins actual steaks or it can be stakes if they want metal skewers
Single Elimination - loser is impaled with a stake
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On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the math less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse.
2020 has taught us that server lag is an excuse any player's fans can use to explain away any loss
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On December 14 2020 06:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:59 Elentos wrote:
Actually I guess this match now has the insane stakes of deciding whether Harstem gets 3 strikes or gets 1 right Still, what counts as mech?
That thing Heromarine did in game 3 vs Reynor
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On December 14 2020 06:00 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the math less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. 2020 has taught us that server lag is an excuse any player's fans can use to explain away any loss
That and Maru is playing at 5 am!
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On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse.
and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru?
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On December 14 2020 06:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru?
Idk, that's up to more biased Serral fans than I.
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On December 14 2020 06:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru?
Hiding his builds. He knows this match doesn't really matter because it's double elim. Saving his strategies for the matches that really matter.
Also jet lag.
EDIT: I basically just repeated the same thing twice which is awful writing. I blame being focused on the stream. And jet lag.
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On December 14 2020 06:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru?
Well Serral is playing at 10pm which is pretty unfortunate
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Good start for Maru with one giant exception on +1...
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On December 14 2020 06:07 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:04 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru? Well Serral is playing at 10pm which is pretty unfortunate
11, Finland is an hour ahead of us. That's how Serral got so far ahead of the rest of Europe, he's an hour in the future
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I love watching the production tab in high lvl TvZ when someone a marauder shoots a fleeing unit and it is not slowed. It usually doesn't fail, within moments you'll see concussive shells on the production tab ^^ I suppose most learned build orders don't contain concussive shells so it is easy to forget?
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On December 14 2020 06:08 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:07 Durnuu wrote:On December 14 2020 06:04 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 05:59 dysenterymd wrote:
Also if Maru loses the diehard Maru fans can use the fact that Maru's injured as an excuse, making the match less consequential.
But for once, it's actually a good excuse. and if he wins? what would be the excuse of Serral fans for losing to injured Maru? Well Serral is playing at 10pm which is pretty unfortunate 11, Finland is an hour ahead of us. That's how Serral got so far ahead of the rest of Europe, he's an hour in the future
Wow that's like 10 times worse. Serral would be such a god to win in such unfavourable conditions
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This Maru guy is decent at not dying
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Looked kinda close for a bit until the lurkers came out
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Serral seems to be completely in control, in game one.
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wow, Serral won a map vs cripple Maru
User was warned for this post.
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I didn't even know you could Abduct your own units.
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BM ling abduct strats, a new meta unfolding
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The game wasn't a stomp until lurkers, but at the same time Serral never really seemed to be in trouble. Hoping Maru puts up more of a fight in the next few games, but Serral seems to be playing very well
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It's great to see the foreigner GOAT beat up a half-dead permacrocked sleep-deprived korean
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On December 14 2020 06:18 sudete wrote:
It's great to see the foreigner GOAT beat up a half-dead permacrocked sleep-deprived korean
"foreigner goat"
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Probably a very different game if Maru's upgrade situation isn't so fucked. Couldn't really find any good fights for the longest time.
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On December 14 2020 06:19 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:18 sudete wrote:
It's great to see the foreigner GOAT beat up a half-dead permacrocked sleep-deprived korean "foreigner goat"
Yeah, which part of that do you have difficulty accepting? The foreigner part, or the GOAT part?
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as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy
so you would be happy with a thor drop?
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop?
I would!
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop?
Who wouldn't?!
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I would be ecstatic with a thor drop.
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop?
I'd like a throwback proxy bunker rush
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop?
Especially if it flies around the map aimlessly for several minutes, not killing anything.
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On December 14 2020 06:25 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop? Especially if it flies around the map aimlessly for several minutes, not killing anything.
INnoVation vs Life 2015 vibes
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On December 14 2020 06:20 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:19 ilax30 wrote:On December 14 2020 06:18 sudete wrote:
It's great to see the foreigner GOAT beat up a half-dead permacrocked sleep-deprived korean "foreigner goat" Yeah, which part of that do you have difficulty accepting? The foreigner part, or the GOAT part?
The foreign part. Everyone know that Finland doesn't actually exist.
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy
ouch
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When hellbat attacks get shut down hard, hellbats look so ridiculous lol
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On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy
Sorry, man.
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On December 14 2020 06:23 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop? I'd like a throwback proxy bunker rush
give me the ghost rush... pew pew
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I have never seen a maru hellbat push working vs a decent zerg
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Even by korean time 6:30am standards, this is sad to watch
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On December 14 2020 06:27 Argonauta wrote:
I have never seen a maru hellbat push working vs a decent zerg
Must have been a few years at this point
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Serral is playing mutas, if Maru makes mines there is a chance he throws them all on them
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Maru fans are big mad right now
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Does the second armoury count as mech?
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Damn maru is looking slow and clunky
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Looks like a 2-0 for Serral incoming.
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If Maru gets 4 more fights like that he can win
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Maru beat Reynor from a similar spot at ASUS
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On December 14 2020 06:30 lostusername123 wrote:
Maru fans are big mad right now
Maru fans are really worried and care for the player's health right now. You need to change your perspective on how to be a true fan, bro.
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Really really why hellbat pushes.....
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imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues
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On December 14 2020 06:26 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:23 Waxangel wrote:On December 14 2020 06:21 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 06:21 Argonauta wrote:
as long as Maru doesn't do a hellbat push I am happy so you would be happy with a thor drop? I'd like a throwback proxy bunker rush give me the ghost rush... pew pew
That's my favorite cheesy build in all of starcraft, the hellbat ghost push in TvZ. If they try to defend with either queen/ling or roach/queen/ling, it wrecks hilariously hard. If they have spines or banes, though, it's pretty awful.
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Crank is doing a semi-newbie cast because I guess he picked up some new viewers from his participation in Twitch Korea's Blizz triathalon (which didn't include SC2, amusingly enough) :0
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On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues
Wait, what happened to Maru?
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On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues
If Maru injure is that serious, he shloud forfeit imho.
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On December 14 2020 06:34 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:30 lostusername123 wrote:
Maru fans are big mad right now Maru fans are really worried and care for the player's health right now. You need to change your perspective on how to be a true fan, bro.
They're undoubtedly big mad my dude.
We all hope Maru recovers, but his fans are always big mad, and always coming up with excuses .
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On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru?
He died. These are the last games he played before his death
RIP
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On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru?
He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year.
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On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues
Apparently Maru gave a shit or he wouldn't be here.
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On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year.
From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/
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On December 14 2020 06:37 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He died. These are the last games he played before his death RIP
Eh, not really funny The sarcasm isn't evident in your post.
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Whats funny is past 2 months or so has been some of the best Maru performance to date in tournaments, he was legitimately getting to Ro4+ on every tournament, including winning KoB.
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On December 14 2020 06:38 lostusername123 wrote:
Whats funny is past 2 months or so has been some of the best Maru performance to date in tournaments, he was legitimately getting to Ro4+ on every tournament, including winning KoB.
Byun also performs well with his wrist injury. It seems like they can play a few games and push through the pain but marathon runs are probably too much.
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On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/
Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think.
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Series isn't over, but it's been pretty underwhelming
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wow Serral is afraid of a proper macro game /s
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On December 14 2020 06:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
3-0 incoming?
Maru losing Oxide made this outcome very likely.
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On December 14 2020 06:41 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/ Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think.
Isn't it crazy that we can see 20 year pro careers in the NFL and NBA, but not for SC2? Boxer and Whitera were ~30 years old when they wrapped up their careers, and we could see the impact of age on their play back then
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On December 14 2020 06:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:41 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/ Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think. Isn't it crazy that we can see 20 year pro careers in the NFL and NBA, but not for SC2? Boxer and Whitera were ~30 years old when they wrapped up their careers, and we could see the impact of age on their play back then
Depends very much on the sport. Some FIFA pros and fighting pros are quite old
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On December 14 2020 06:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:41 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/ Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think. Isn't it crazy that we can see 20 year pro careers in the NFL and NBA, but not for SC2? Boxer and Whitera were ~30 years old when they wrapped up their careers, and we could see the impact of age on their play back then
The human body isn’t built for hours straight of repetitive movements. Sports players drop out from injuries too.
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On December 14 2020 06:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:41 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/ Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think. Isn't it crazy that we can see 20 year pro careers in the NFL and NBA, but not for SC2? Boxer and Whitera were ~30 years old when they wrapped up their careers, and we could see the impact of age on their play back then
Well 20 years careers are ridiculous outliers in the NFL and NBA (average NFL career is like 3 years). Meanwhile over half the Code S players have been 'pro' for 10+ years if you count BW.
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This game is boring honestly
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Wow, he hit a Ghost with a Bile.
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On December 14 2020 06:47 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 06:45 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:41 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:38 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:37 Zzoram wrote:On December 14 2020 06:36 Bagration wrote:On December 14 2020 06:35 IshinShishi wrote:
imagine giving a shit about this match when maru is playing with major health issues Wait, what happened to Maru? He’s had a shoulder injury for most of the year. From playing Starcraft? Or somewhere else? Either way, that sucks for him - guy has been a progamer for a decade, the wear and tear really accumulates :/ Ya Starcraft. Repetitive stress injury I think. Isn't it crazy that we can see 20 year pro careers in the NFL and NBA, but not for SC2? Boxer and Whitera were ~30 years old when they wrapped up their careers, and we could see the impact of age on their play back then Depends very much on the sport. Some FIFA pros and fighting pros are quite old
Davide Rebellin is still a pro cyclist and nearing 50. Even in sports where explosivity is fundamental you have the odd Gatlin / Kim Collins. If you really want it, adjust your training and dedicate everything to stay at the top you can. Not everyone has the will to do it - or even wants to do it in the first place, the life of a pro in any sports is probably incredibly strenuous - though
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On December 14 2020 06:50 Elentos wrote:
This game is boring honestly
I blame Roaches.
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Lucky for Serral that he has a bank... these attacks of his are kind of ineffective, as he's been so passive that he let Maru claw back into the game to at least have a fighting chance. Serral is still ahead though.
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The dreaded broodlord infestor. That's one way to seal the deal.
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btw 3-3 armory upgrades, does this count as... ?
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I don't think progaming and the toll it takes on the body (which is probably unknown and can only be speculated about) can be compared with regular athletism. Remember that live heart rate measurement some tournament had once? The guys play under fight or flight circumstances despite moving very minor muscle groups in a very intense way. Given what we know of stress research it does not bode well for them from a cardiovascular point of view.
Honestly my neck, shoulders, elbow and wrist hurt just doing regular office work sometimes. I can't imagine how long sessions of 500 apm must feel.
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On December 14 2020 06:57 Calliope wrote:
I don't think progaming and the toll it takes on the body (which is probably unknown and can only be speculated about) can be compared with regular athletism. Remember that live heart rate measurement some tournament had once? The guys play under fight or flight circumstances despite moving very minor muscle groups in a very intense way. Given what we know of stress research it does not bode well for them from a cardiovascular point of view.
Honestly my neck, shoulders, elbow and wrist hurt just doing regular office work sometimes. I can't imagine how long sessions of 500 apm must feel.
then adjust your style, adapt your training schedule, rely more on builds than mechanics. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying every pro could be able to play at like 80% of his peak level until 35, but I'm pretty sure you theoretically could stay relevant at 30+, even 35+
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Was it worth watching? I didn't bother since it's 6am Maru with his injury :o. Expected result at least. Hopefully ByuN racks up few more points.
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There has also been a lot more research in sports medicine and managing the health of traditional athletes than in progaming. Most programers don't necessarily take care of themselves as well as someone who has access to all these trainers.
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On December 14 2020 07:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
There has also been a lot more research in sports medicine and managing the health of traditional athletes than in progaming. Most programers don't necessarily take care of themselves as well as someone who has access to all these trainers.
good point
On December 14 2020 07:02 Poopi wrote:
Was it worth watching? I didn't bother since it's 6am Maru with his injury :o. Expected result at least. Hopefully ByuN racks up few more points.
no imo, it was pretty straightforward domination
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On December 14 2020 07:02 Elentos wrote:
I wish the most successful non-Korean player of all time had an interesting playstyle
Esteemed neutral fan of StarCraft II, what do you think Serral fans who say "I wish Serral would stop trying to all-in and just play macro" and things of that sort?
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On December 14 2020 07:03 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:02 Elentos wrote:
I wish the most successful non-Korean player of all time had an interesting playstyle Esteemed neutral fan of StarCraft II, what do you think Serral fans who say "I wish Serral would stop trying to all-in and just play macro" and things of that sort?
Serral's all-ins are macro builds where he gives himself a handicap.
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On December 14 2020 07:02 Elentos wrote:
I wish the most successful non-Korean player of all time had an interesting playstyle
What do you mean? Serral's games often turn out to be exciting.
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On December 14 2020 07:02 Elentos wrote:
I wish the most successful non-Korean player of all time had an interesting playstyle
I became a fan of Maru because of his unique style of aggressively dropping Marauders on Colossi back in the day. Styles change with the meta.
EDIT: Whoops, you were talking about the other guy. My bad .
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On December 14 2020 07:02 Poopi wrote:
Was it worth watching? I didn't bother since it's 6am Maru with his injury :o. Expected result at least. Hopefully ByuN racks up few more points.
Not really worth watching imo
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Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ?
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On December 14 2020 07:02 Elentos wrote:
I wish the most successful non-Korean player of all time had an interesting playstyle
What's wrong with his playstyle? There is nothing better than wtaching tense, back and forth serral games (romanticide goty). My complaint would be: why is it that the most successful non-Koreans are always zerg. Would love to see some proper foreigner domination with one of the other races.
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On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ?
His one BW tournament he was playing in is over but that doesn't necessarily mean one should expect anything
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On December 14 2020 07:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
There has also been a lot more research in sports medicine and managing the health of traditional athletes than in progaming. Most programers don't necessarily take care of themselves as well as someone who has access to all these trainers.
Yes, it would be nice if there was more money/systems/whatever in place to help progamers with repetitive stress injuries.
That said, I don't know what traditional sports has to do with any of this. There's no shortage of retired NFL players who say they can't get up in the morning without feeling pain. There are NFL players who had repetitive brain trauma which led them to suicide. The average NFL career is 3.3 years. Top tier players in high-impact positions like running back have 'primes' that last 2~3 years.
Like, what are we saying; that the NFL has more money and resources than esports? like, no shit?
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On December 14 2020 07:08 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ? His one BW tournament he was playing in is over but that doesn't necessarily mean one should expect anything
thanks
how did it go btw ? Did he do decent ?
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On December 14 2020 07:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:08 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ? His one BW tournament he was playing in is over but that doesn't necessarily mean one should expect anything thanks how did it go btw ? Did he do decent ?
His team finished 2nd, he did alright.
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On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ?
TY has looked truly terrible against Protoss this week, but he's still arguably the best TvT player and arguably at least the equal of Maru/ByuN/Clem in TvZ, so I'd expect him to handle RangaroK.
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On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ?
TY was just having fun in Broodwar. If he’s a long term thinker, his dabbling into Broodwar might also be to keep his brand name recognition up for a possible future transition to full time Broodwar streaming on Afreeca if there is no more GSL in 2023.
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On December 14 2020 07:10 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ? TY has looked truly terrible against Protoss this week, but he's still arguably the best TvT player and arguably at least the equal of Maru/ByuN/Clem in TvZ, so I'd expect him to handle RangaroK.
Korean SC2 lately really has been very much a story of "anyone can beat anyone on a given day," and I think people who just want to blame every loss on [player X] supposedly not trying are ignoring that larger trend
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On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ?
7-minute victory in game one, so probably serious
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On December 14 2020 07:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is TY still focusing on BW or can we expect a serious show-up ? 7-minute victory in game one, so probably serious
yeah that looked solid
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Am I the only one who instinctively wants to pronounce TYTY as 'Titty'?
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Is the secret to good wrist health not using armrests???
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Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams
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On December 14 2020 07:13 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Am I the only one who instinctively wants to pronounce TYTY as 'Titty'?
I instinctively read it as "Thank you thank you"
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I like how Zombiegrub is talking how much better Ragnarok is better v protoss. But at the start of the year everyone was hyping his ZvT prior to Kato saying he probably is the best Korean zerg v terran. Funny how those things change relatively fast.
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On December 14 2020 07:15 Bagration wrote:
Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams
that would be horribly broken wouldn't it ?
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Maru lost out to a chair.
On December 14 2020 07:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:15 Bagration wrote:
Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams that would be horribly broken wouldn't it ?
I doubt it--it would make some proxy timings more annoying, but that's about it. You still have to have the money for it--though maybe it has cool macro applications for powering out phoenixes or something.
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On December 14 2020 07:15 ilax30 wrote:
I like how Zombiegrub is talking how much better Ragnarok is better v protoss. But at the start of the year everyone was hyping his ZvT prior to Kato saying he probably is the best Korean zerg v terran. Funny how those things change relatively fast.
I am not sure this is correct, Ragnarok's "form" on Aligulac pretty much confirms what he knows: 63% ZvT, 62% ZvZ and 53% ZvP. At least since 2019, Ragnarok struggled the most against Protoss!
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See for how smart people always claim TY is he has some really bad reads.
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On December 14 2020 07:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Maru lost out to a chair. Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:15 Bagration wrote:
Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams that would be horribly broken wouldn't it ? I doubt it--it would make some proxy timings more annoying, but that's about it.
If the structure gets built quicker and builds things quicker I'm pretty sure every reasonable proxy would become much too strong
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How much of this tournament will be cast from replays?
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On December 14 2020 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Maru lost out to a chair. On December 14 2020 07:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:15 Bagration wrote:
Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams that would be horribly broken wouldn't it ? I doubt it--it would make some proxy timings more annoying, but that's about it. If the structure gets built quicker and builds things quicker I'm pretty sure every reasonable proxy would become much too strong
your scv still mine at the same pace
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On December 14 2020 07:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Maru lost out to a chair. On December 14 2020 07:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:15 Bagration wrote:
Everything builds faster in the speed bubble right?
Edit: RIP my dreams that would be horribly broken wouldn't it ? I doubt it--it would make some proxy timings more annoying, but that's about it. If the structure gets built quicker and builds things quicker I'm pretty sure every reasonable proxy would become much too strong
Hmm... yeah if everything was faster it would at the very least warp the meta on any map with those (regardless of whether it ends up being broken balance-wise or not).
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On December 14 2020 07:18 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:15 ilax30 wrote:
I like how Zombiegrub is talking how much better Ragnarok is better v protoss. But at the start of the year everyone was hyping his ZvT prior to Kato saying he probably is the best Korean zerg v terran. Funny how those things change relatively fast. I am not sure this is correct, Ragnarok's "form" on Aligulac pretty much confirms what he knows: 63% ZvT, 62% ZvZ and 53% ZvP. At least since 2019, Ragnarok struggled the most against Protoss!
If you look at his records against some notable Protosses of late, you'll find that he's got wildly disparate records against different players (since 1/1/2019). He's consistently beaten Trap, for instance, while consistently losing to Stats.
I don't know that his ZvP is so much weak as very stylistic with inconsistent results.
EDIT: Worth noting that he's beat Stats in a few series recently, which may contribute to the idea that his ZvP is particularly strong at the moment.
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I thought Impact was in the army
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Losing with a build order win because you didn't scout is next level
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On December 14 2020 07:24 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:18 Xain0n wrote:On December 14 2020 07:15 ilax30 wrote:
I like how Zombiegrub is talking how much better Ragnarok is better v protoss. But at the start of the year everyone was hyping his ZvT prior to Kato saying he probably is the best Korean zerg v terran. Funny how those things change relatively fast. I am not sure this is correct, Ragnarok's "form" on Aligulac pretty much confirms what he knows: 63% ZvT, 62% ZvZ and 53% ZvP. At least since 2019, Ragnarok struggled the most against Protoss! If you look at his records against some notable Protosses of late, you'll find that he's got wildly disparate records against different players (since 1/1/2019). He's consistently beaten Trap, for instance, while consistently losing to Stats. I don't know that his ZvP is so much weak as very stylistic with inconsistent results. EDIT: Worth noting that he's beat Stats in a few series recently, which may contribute to the idea that his ZvP is particularly strong at the moment.
So basically it depends on how cheese-proof the Protoss player is feeling at the moment. Stats really isn't as lactose tolerant as he used to be.
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On December 14 2020 07:27 Elentos wrote:
Losing with a build order win because you didn't scout is next level
SC2 needs a Stove build, similar to BW.
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Of all the units in the game, there's none that I hate more than queens. Hated them ever since 2012
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It can actually help. Badly positioned arm rests can put pressure on your wrist nerves.
Maru is quite small for an adult. Ergonomic equipment is mostly made for average sized adults.
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On December 14 2020 07:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:24 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 07:18 Xain0n wrote:On December 14 2020 07:15 ilax30 wrote:
I like how Zombiegrub is talking how much better Ragnarok is better v protoss. But at the start of the year everyone was hyping his ZvT prior to Kato saying he probably is the best Korean zerg v terran. Funny how those things change relatively fast. I am not sure this is correct, Ragnarok's "form" on Aligulac pretty much confirms what he knows: 63% ZvT, 62% ZvZ and 53% ZvP. At least since 2019, Ragnarok struggled the most against Protoss! If you look at his records against some notable Protosses of late, you'll find that he's got wildly disparate records against different players (since 1/1/2019). He's consistently beaten Trap, for instance, while consistently losing to Stats. I don't know that his ZvP is so much weak as very stylistic with inconsistent results. EDIT: Worth noting that he's beat Stats in a few series recently, which may contribute to the idea that his ZvP is particularly strong at the moment. So basically it depends on how cheese-proof the Protoss player is feeling at the moment. Stats really isn't as lactose tolerant as he used to be.
Well Ragnarok's ZvP isn't better than his ZvT tho.
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On December 14 2020 07:27 Elentos wrote:
Losing with a build order win because you didn't scout is next level
What build order win? Roaches counter flying units, Mondragon knew.
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On December 14 2020 07:25 Waxangel wrote:I thought Impact was in the army
Hopefully we get Impact, herO, Classic, aLive, Gumiho, and Ryung all back.
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Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one?
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On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one?
This is true, and also you have to consider how well SCVs can work if they have to wake up at 6am. A drone that starts work at 12pm has a lie in and will be much more productive. It's a huge structural disadvantage
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On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly
These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is
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Hey, is the Supply Depot requirement for the Barracks still important in this post 12-worker start universe? I haven't thought about that in years.
EDIT: And Ty lost while I was writing that. Wow.
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On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one?
All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did.
Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping.
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On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is
maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters
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I hope Rogue vs. Byun is a bit better - these last few TvZ series have been ass lol
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On December 14 2020 07:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Hey, is the Supply Depot requirement for the Barracks still important in this post 12-worker start universe? I haven't thought about that in years.
EDIT: And Ty lost while I was writing that. Wow.
reapers would shit on zerg and Protoss if barracks didn't require supply depot
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On December 14 2020 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters
Well TY clearly lives for games in the GSL studio. Still would be nice for his fans if he tried a bit harder outside of that.
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On December 14 2020 07:33 Bagration wrote:
I hope Rogue vs. Byun is a bit better - these last few TvZ series have been ass lol
that was the series I expected the most of tbh (Maru - Serral was bound to disappoint), I really hope we get a good series
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On December 14 2020 07:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters Well TY clearly lives for games in the GSL studio. Still would be nice for his fans if he tried a bit harder outside of that.
if we get the best TY for Katowice I'm fine with his effort management
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On December 14 2020 07:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:34 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters Well TY clearly lives for games in the GSL studio. Still would be nice for his fans if he tried a bit harder outside of that. if we get the best TY for Katowice I'm fine with his effort management
That would be nice, it's been a few years since the best TY was seen at the World Championship.
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On December 14 2020 07:33 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one? All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did. Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping.
Serral should play in GSL main seasons. Stephano, Jinro, Idra, Huk, etc did, so whats his excuse? I understand now isn't the time, but once travel restrictions ease a little more, Serral should be given a Ro24 spot in Code S to test his true skill.
Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier. GSL vs the World is definitely a major tournament where Koreans don't care.
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On December 14 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:34 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters Well TY clearly lives for games in the GSL studio. Still would be nice for his fans if he tried a bit harder outside of that. if we get the best TY for Katowice I'm fine with his effort management That would be nice, it's been a few years since the best TY was seen at the World Championship.
shhh, money doesn't matter and only the imagined prestige and history of Code S does
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On December 14 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:34 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:On December 14 2020 07:32 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
was confident for TY after the first game, but the last two were rather ugly These are the kind of games TY regularly has online that just make me come to the conclusion he isn't even half as smart as people say he is maybe the point is to sandbag from time to time and to only exhibit his big brains when it matters Well TY clearly lives for games in the GSL studio. Still would be nice for his fans if he tried a bit harder outside of that. if we get the best TY for Katowice I'm fine with his effort management That would be nice, it's been a few years since the best TY was seen at the World Championship.
that's the only reason why I'm not too mad when TY borderline throws a series since he won GSL3, because I want to see a good TY at the finals and with the way TY has been managing his tournaments it seems we can't expect him to consistently try his utmost. So hopefully TY shows up at Katowice.
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This race between ByuN, RagnaroK and Bunny would be quite exciting if not for that global points spot.
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On December 14 2020 07:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
This race between ByuN, RagnaroK and Bunny would be quite exciting if not for that global points spot.
Clearly that last spot shouldn't be global points. It should just always be given to sOs because it's not a global finals without sOs.
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On December 14 2020 07:40 serralfan18 wrote:
Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier.
So should we talk about how Protoss hasn't won a premier since 2017 then?
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Showtime to beat Serral. He already embarrassed the crap out of him in the ASUS ROG 2020 tournament.
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Queens bring out the cranky old man in me lol. I still wish they'd go back to the pre-2012 attack range lol
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On December 14 2020 07:42 irvnasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
This race between ByuN, RagnaroK and Bunny would be quite exciting if not for that global points spot. Clearly that last spot shouldn't be global points. It should just always be given to sOs because it's not a global finals without sOs.
sOs is 200 points ahead of Ragnarok etc., he doesn't need charity this year.
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Nice baneling land mine there!
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And the Orbital burns down.
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On December 14 2020 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
omg that CC fail lmao.
These are the times we need player cams to see Rogue laughing as he looks at that and ByuN facepalm.
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On December 14 2020 07:51 Elentos wrote:These are the times we need player cams to see Rogue laughing as he looks at that and ByuN facepalm.
Yes, absolutely!
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On December 14 2020 07:51 Elentos wrote:These are the times we need player cams to see Rogue laughing as he looks at that and ByuN facepalm.
Sounds nice like that, but in reality Byun ould prob just show a small glimpse of a smile while Rogue wouldnt react at all
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On December 14 2020 07:52 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:51 Elentos wrote:On December 14 2020 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
omg that CC fail lmao. These are the times we need player cams to see Rogue laughing as he looks at that and ByuN facepalm. Sounds nice like that, but in reality Byun ould prob just show a small glimpse of a smile while Rogue wouldnt react at all
yah, everyone knows cams are there to highlight rogue's losses and desk slams
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On December 14 2020 07:40 serralfan18 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:33 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one? All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did. Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping. Serral should play in GSL main seasons. Stephano, Jinro, Idra, Huk, etc did, so whats his excuse? I understand now isn't the time, but once travel restrictions ease a little more, Serral should be given a Ro24 spot in Code S to test his true skill. Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier. GSL vs the World is definitely a major tournament where Koreans don't care.
How comes that this guy is still around?
He trolls every single time and he's not even that entertaining.
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The reality is Byun's cam picture would just be a bad photo of him that needs googly eyes photoshopped on it.
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On December 14 2020 07:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Hey, is the Supply Depot requirement for the Barracks still important in this post 12-worker start universe? I haven't thought about that in years.
EDIT: And Ty lost while I was writing that. Wow.
More importantly, is the spore crawler not needing an evolution chamber still relevant now that queens have longer anti air range?
It’s very inconsistent. Photon cannons require a forge. Turrets require an engineering bay.
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On December 14 2020 07:55 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:40 serralfan18 wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one? All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did. Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping. Serral should play in GSL main seasons. Stephano, Jinro, Idra, Huk, etc did, so whats his excuse? I understand now isn't the time, but once travel restrictions ease a little more, Serral should be given a Ro24 spot in Code S to test his true skill. Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier. GSL vs the World is definitely a major tournament where Koreans don't care. How comes that this guy is still around? He trolls every single time and he's not even that entertaining.
it's 1%? 5%? plausible that it's a real person and not Ej's troll account
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On December 14 2020 07:59 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:55 Xain0n wrote:On December 14 2020 07:40 serralfan18 wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one? All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did. Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping. Serral should play in GSL main seasons. Stephano, Jinro, Idra, Huk, etc did, so whats his excuse? I understand now isn't the time, but once travel restrictions ease a little more, Serral should be given a Ro24 spot in Code S to test his true skill. Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier. GSL vs the World is definitely a major tournament where Koreans don't care. How comes that this guy is still around? He trolls every single time and he's not even that entertaining. it's 1%? 5%? plausible that it's a real person and not Ej's troll account
they got a serious rodya vibe going on though
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On December 14 2020 07:59 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 07:55 Xain0n wrote:On December 14 2020 07:40 serralfan18 wrote:On December 14 2020 07:33 irvnasty wrote:On December 14 2020 07:30 serralfan18 wrote:
Serral only won because it was 6am for Maru and his shoulder is injured. Imagine you usually wake up 9am for your factory job, but suddenly you have to go to work at 6am, while the rival company gets to wake up at 12pm to work. Oh, and you have an injured shoulder too due to the nature of your job. Who do you think will be more efficient and more of a productive worker? The injured restless one, or the good health restful one? All true, and I think cross-server is more easily adapted to by zerg than by terran. All that said, considering those factors, if Serral is better he should have crushed Maru... and he did. Hopefully we'll get to see them play far more series under better circumstances, but today was a bopping. Serral should play in GSL main seasons. Stephano, Jinro, Idra, Huk, etc did, so whats his excuse? I understand now isn't the time, but once travel restrictions ease a little more, Serral should be given a Ro24 spot in Code S to test his true skill. Honestly, Maru's 4 GSL wins is the equivalent to like 4 Blizzons. Any tournament besides GSL main season should not be considered premier. GSL vs the World is definitely a major tournament where Koreans don't care. How comes that this guy is still around? He trolls every single time and he's not even that entertaining. it's 1%? 5%? plausible that it's a real person and not Ej's troll account
Ej? Nah it's probably Rodya or something.
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ByuN is so fast that he actually sees motion in reverse, which led him to misjudge the location of those final two Lurkers
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I liked the Overlord hunt. That's gotta put a lot of pressure on the Zerg.
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Rogue had no idea what was going on in that game.
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That was pretty well handled given how bad the timing was for Rogue.
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Nice, the part where Lambo tries to convince us to enjoy ZvZ
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I hope zombiegrub asks lambo about elazers hydra build vs stats yesterday :D
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gogo Elazer, just for variety's sake. Plus, the lower bracket could suddenly become laughably stacked, which would be fun.
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Elazer winning would be quite interesting.
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the banter between these eu zergs is top tier
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Wow another contender for worst strategy of the tournament
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On December 14 2020 08:54 Waxangel wrote:Wow another contender for worst strategy of the tournament
Exactly what I was thinking!
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Reynor lost for being a memer, serves him right lol that was satisfying to watch.
if you're gonna troll a high-level game you deserve to lose lol, especially when you're not even close to being the best player in the tourney
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If I were Elazer I would have ggd out, you can't honestly beat the Italian Vespa and sleep well.
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On December 14 2020 08:58 Xain0n wrote:
If I were Elazer I would have ggd out, you can't honestly beat the Italian Vespa and sleep well.
gg out of a won game?
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Whoa, how is Reynor down 0-2? What happened?
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The rush distances on Liquipedia are top of main ramp to top of main ramp, not natural to natural FYI.
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On December 14 2020 08:59 Bagration wrote:
Whoa, how is Reynor down 0-2? What happened?
Reynor went for a queen drop strategy.
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On December 14 2020 09:00 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 08:59 Bagration wrote:
Whoa, how is Reynor down 0-2? What happened? Reynor went for a queen drop strategy.
Lol figures - thanks
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On December 14 2020 08:59 Bagration wrote:
Whoa, how is Reynor down 0-2? What happened?
Missed game 1, but game 2 was reynor trying to meme with queen drops. Lost all the queens to mutas on the other side of the map, then lost the game to being 50 supply down in roach wars.
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How many OL's do you think the Queens have to kill for it to be worthwhile? 4? 5?
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hahahaha, that was a great series.
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Congrats to Elazer for the upset
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TSL6 is certainly living up to TSL5 in term of upsets.
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God damn it, how did this happen? 3-0?!
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On December 14 2020 09:04 Waxangel wrote:
How many OL's do you think the Queens have to kill for it to be worthwhile? 4? 5?
He had a total of 7 queens in 2 dropperlords not injecting... so 10? 12?
Which probably explains why it's not a thing.
EDIT: My answer is factoring in that they all die. If you mean that you somehow keep the queens alive, then 4 or 5 is probably about correct.
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On December 14 2020 09:04 Waxangel wrote:
How many OL's do you think the Queens have to kill for it to be worthwhile? 4? 5?
well, you're losing out on creep spread, injects at home. I would say 4 or 5 OLs to break even. Also the lack of ling speed at the start of the game makes you vulnerable. What a terrible build.
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the key was Lambo saying they came up with “the build” today - how many practice games do you think they player with it? absolutely love Reynor for sticking to the spirit of baboon brawl
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absolutely crazy lower bracket lol
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On December 14 2020 08:59 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 08:58 Xain0n wrote:
If I were Elazer I would have ggd out, you can't honestly beat the Italian Vespa and sleep well. gg out of a won game?
You have to pay respect to the ultimate meme.
I am obviously not serious...
Trying to outclown Elazer in a ZvZ is very risky.
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also I think now the only way for ByuN to be out of iem katowice is Zoun or Patience qualifying for Last Chance and making a really deep run, ByuN not getting any more points in any competition, while Bunny and RagnaroK keep getting points in their remaining tournaments. (KR has locked in the wildcard seed because Scarlett can no longer win it for NA with any result). So basically 99.99% there.
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is there any kind of info for katowice yet? I hope to god its not online but is ESL rly gonna do a bubble system for a sc2 tournament? online would be an absolute tragedy
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When I saw the lineup for this tournament I never would have picked showtime and elazer to be in the winner's semifinals.
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On December 14 2020 09:18 Waxangel wrote:
also I think now the only way for ByuN to be out of iem katowice is Zoun or Patience qualifying for Last Chance and making a really deep run, ByuN not getting any more points in any competition, while Bunny and RagnaroK keep getting points in their remaining tournaments. (KR has locked in the wildcard seed because Scarlett can no longer win it for NA with any result). So basically 99.99% there.
Scarlett can’t qualify for IEM Katowice? KR wildcard? Could you please explain?
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Showtime is in impressive form at the moment! Let's see, if he can defeat Serral again.
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On December 14 2020 09:18 Waxangel wrote:
also I think now the only way for ByuN to be out of iem katowice is Zoun or Patience qualifying for Last Chance and making a really deep run, ByuN not getting any more points in any competition, while Bunny and RagnaroK keep getting points in their remaining tournaments. (KR has locked in the wildcard seed because Scarlett can no longer win it for NA with any result). So basically 99.99% there.
The qualifiers for Last Chance are already over 
Neither Zoun nor Patience made it
 ESL Pro Tour/2020/21/Masters/Last Chance
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On December 15 2020 18:11 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 09:18 Waxangel wrote:
also I think now the only way for ByuN to be out of iem katowice is Zoun or Patience qualifying for Last Chance and making a really deep run, ByuN not getting any more points in any competition, while Bunny and RagnaroK keep getting points in their remaining tournaments. (KR has locked in the wildcard seed because Scarlett can no longer win it for NA with any result). So basically 99.99% there. The qualifiers for Last Chance are already over Neither Zoun nor Patience made it https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Last_Chance
The qualifiers aren't region locked.
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On December 15 2020 18:18 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 18:11 Harris1st wrote:On December 14 2020 09:18 Waxangel wrote:
also I think now the only way for ByuN to be out of iem katowice is Zoun or Patience qualifying for Last Chance and making a really deep run, ByuN not getting any more points in any competition, while Bunny and RagnaroK keep getting points in their remaining tournaments. (KR has locked in the wildcard seed because Scarlett can no longer win it for NA with any result). So basically 99.99% there. The qualifiers for Last Chance are already over Neither Zoun nor Patience made it https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Last_Chance The qualifiers aren't region locked.
Uff my bad. Thought they were all through with the Open part. Didn't realize Americas Open is due tomorrow
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Top Foreigner VS Top Korea stats this tournament:
Serral 3-2 Dark
Serral 3-0 Maru
Showtime 3-1 TY
Showtime 3-2 Zest
Clem 2-3 Byun
Elazer 3-1 Stats
Heromarine 2-3 Stats
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