On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
Trap/RagnaroK, HeRoMaRinE/Armani, and Neeb/ShoWTimE all seem like really interesting series. The others will hopefully be more interesting than they appear at first glance.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
I wouldn't be so sure; Hurricane shouldn't be able to almost take out TY anyway. When TY is actually playing Sc2, at least.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
2 games so far and I see a one-sided game in favor of TY.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
this must be a troll post lol Hurricane >>> Maxpax no contest lol
On December 06 2020 01:19 Argonauta wrote: wow the battle report is so cool!
Very cool, but I'm 100% sure a cyclone died in that battle, so I'm not sure all the kinks are worked out.
Definitely going to monitor closely, we know a few minor bugs, but haven't seen units being destroyed not showing up yet. We'll be happy to update the mod if bugs pop up.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
I wouldn't be so sure; Hurricane shouldn't be able to almost take out TY anyway. When TY is actually playing Sc2, at least.
And you say you're not biased towards foreigners in SC2 lmao. What has Maxpax ever done that puts him anywhere near Hurricanes results? Maxpax would not even qualify for ST. Hurricane made the bracket of IEM just this year.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
this must be a troll post lol Hurricane >>> Maxpax no contest lol
Mmm that's what i said? Hurricane is by far a better player than MaxPax
On December 06 2020 01:19 Argonauta wrote: wow the battle report is so cool!
Very cool, but I'm 100% sure a cyclone died in that battle, so I'm not sure all the kinks are worked out.
Definitely going to monitor closely, we know a few minor bugs, but haven't seen units being destroyed not showing up yet. We'll be happy to update the mod if bugs pop up.
Is it recording from deaths, or from kills? Because it may have been widow mine splash on the phoenixes that killed the lifted cyclone.
Or maybe I'm crazy. I never exclude that possibility.
On December 06 2020 01:19 Argonauta wrote: wow the battle report is so cool!
Very cool, but I'm 100% sure a cyclone died in that battle, so I'm not sure all the kinks are worked out.
Definitely going to monitor closely, we know a few minor bugs, but haven't seen units being destroyed not showing up yet. We'll be happy to update the mod if bugs pop up.
Are you behind the tool? Do you know how exactly works? its manually triggered by a user who decides the timespan of the battle? or it buffers in memory the unit lost record of the last X minutes of the match?
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
I wouldn't be so sure; Hurricane shouldn't be able to almost take out TY anyway. When TY is actually playing Sc2, at least.
And you say you're not biased towards foreigners in SC2 lmao. What has Maxpax ever done that puts him anywhere near Hurricanes results? Maxpax would not even qualify for ST. Hurricane made the bracket of IEM just this year.
Results have nothing to deal with that, they said "level of play". If you didn't notice, MaxPax's first recorded match on Aligulac is from October 2019; he is 16 yo, a true newcomer whose level of play is improving quite fast.
MaxPax just started qualifying for international events, he's not supposed to win them: he's supposed to lose against TY. Hurricane, too, is supposed to lose against TY in a more onesided series than their last at ST(when TY was playing BW). I would not say that Hurricane is so much better or far above MaxPax at the moment.
On December 06 2020 01:19 Argonauta wrote: wow the battle report is so cool!
Very cool, but I'm 100% sure a cyclone died in that battle, so I'm not sure all the kinks are worked out.
Definitely going to monitor closely, we know a few minor bugs, but haven't seen units being destroyed not showing up yet. We'll be happy to update the mod if bugs pop up.
Are you behind the tool? Do you know how exactly works? its manually triggered by a user who decides the timespan of the battle? or it buffers in memory the unit lost record of the last X minutes of the match?
It was 100% developed by nice__username but I was in touch with him throughout development and it was my initial idea. It's not triggered manually. It triggers gathering stats as soon as damage is exchanged, then will keep tallying up everything that happens until there's a 9 second period that no damage is dealt. The graphic will stay up for a little while longer after that, even if new damage is dealt then it will keep collecting stats in the background until it ticks over to the next battle.
Went back and watched the MaxPax G1 attack at TY's natural. A cyclone did get killed by phoenixes when it was lifted a second time.
I'm still really excited about this feature though. Until now, eyeballing it and watching the resources lost tally are our only way to estimate what was exchanged, and it's usually only large units and air units that are easy to count. This is a really cool project you guys have taken upon yourselves, so thank you for that.
EDIT: Okay, I think I'm counting an earlier exchange as part of the fight that you guys weren't, so forget all of this. I misunderstood which interaction it was documenting. My bad.
On December 06 2020 01:19 Argonauta wrote: wow the battle report is so cool!
Very cool, but I'm 100% sure a cyclone died in that battle, so I'm not sure all the kinks are worked out.
Definitely going to monitor closely, we know a few minor bugs, but haven't seen units being destroyed not showing up yet. We'll be happy to update the mod if bugs pop up.
Are you behind the tool? Do you know how exactly works? its manually triggered by a user who decides the timespan of the battle? or it buffers in memory the unit lost record of the last X minutes of the match?
It was 100% developed by nice__username but I was in touch with him throughout development and it was my initial idea. It's not triggered manually. It triggers gathering stats as soon as damage is exchanged, then will keep tallying up everything that happens until there's a 9 second period that no damage is dealt. The graphic will stay up for a little while longer after that, even if new damage is dealt then it will keep collecting stats in the background until it ticks over to the next battle.
Thanks for the info. Its a great tool and a great idea you had. Happy to see it materialize
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
I wouldn't be so sure; Hurricane shouldn't be able to almost take out TY anyway. When TY is actually playing Sc2, at least.
And you say you're not biased towards foreigners in SC2 lmao. What has Maxpax ever done that puts him anywhere near Hurricanes results? Maxpax would not even qualify for ST. Hurricane made the bracket of IEM just this year.
Results have nothing to deal with that, they said "level of play". If you didn't notice, MaxPax's first recorded match on Aligulac is from October 2019; he is 16 yo, a true newcomer whose level of play is improving quite fast.
MaxPax just started qualifying for international events, he's not supposed to win them: he's supposed to lose against TY. Hurricane, too, is supposed to lose against TY in a more onesided series than their last at ST(when TY was playing BW). I would not say that Hurricane is so much better or far above MaxPax at the moment.
Level of play produces results. Maxpax has no results even in region locked events. He doesn't have to win events to have results. Advancing from a group stage would be something impressive that he hasn't done despite having a bunch of opportunities. Literally the most impressive thing he's done is qualify for ASUS Rog. Even if we are only comparing the last month qualifying for ST is more impressive than qualifying for ASUS Rog. I disagree that Hurricane taking 2 games from TY is not normal. Maybe if it was a Code S playoffs but in everything else that seems completely normal for TY. He's done badly in everything else this year. They were in the same group at IEM and while Hurricane lost the head to head he was the one who got out of the group.
Went back and watched the MaxPax G1 attack at TY's natural. A cyclone did get killed by phoenixes when it was lifted a second time.
I'm still really excited about this feature though. Until now, eyeballing it and watching the resources lost tally are our only way to estimate what was exchanged, and it's usually only large units and air units that are easy to count. This is a really cool project you guys have taken upon yourselves, so thank you for that.
EDIT: Okay, I think I'm counting an earlier exchange as part of the fight that you guys weren't, so forget all of this. I misunderstood which interaction it was documenting. My bad.
Ah yes that makes sense. There will be a little bit of a learning curve of how to use it perfectly. We had to make sure that when casters bring up the overlay that new damage dealt after a fight doesn't instantly erase it. So if two fights happen very close to each other, sometimes you still have the previous fight up.
On December 06 2020 01:11 darklycid wrote: If Hurricane can almost take out TY i don't see why maxpax shouldn't be bale to (dending on what TY shows up).
Well because Hurricane is far few levels above MaxPax in level of play
I wouldn't be so sure; Hurricane shouldn't be able to almost take out TY anyway. When TY is actually playing Sc2, at least.
And you say you're not biased towards foreigners in SC2 lmao. What has Maxpax ever done that puts him anywhere near Hurricanes results? Maxpax would not even qualify for ST. Hurricane made the bracket of IEM just this year.
Results have nothing to deal with that, they said "level of play". If you didn't notice, MaxPax's first recorded match on Aligulac is from October 2019; he is 16 yo, a true newcomer whose level of play is improving quite fast.
MaxPax just started qualifying for international events, he's not supposed to win them: he's supposed to lose against TY. Hurricane, too, is supposed to lose against TY in a more onesided series than their last at ST(when TY was playing BW). I would not say that Hurricane is so much better or far above MaxPax at the moment.
Level of play produces results. Maxpax has no results even in region locked events. He doesn't have to win events to have results. Advancing from a group stage would be something impressive that he hasn't done despite having a bunch of opportunities. Literally the most impressive thing he's done is qualify for ASUS Rog. Even if we are only comparing the last month qualifying for ST is more impressive than qualifying for ASUS Rog. I disagree that Hurricane taking 2 games from TY is not normal. Maybe if it was a Code S playoffs but in everything else that seems completely normal for TY. He's done badly in everything else this year. They were in the same group at IEM and while Hurricane lost the head to head he was the one who got out of the group.
Not sure how you missed the extremely relevant point about the fact that very young players like MaxPax usually improve. He hasn't had results because he wasn't good enough yet; now he is starting to be.
Do you truly believe that TY vs Hurricane in 2020 should usually end 3-2? Hurricane this year did relatively well at Katowice but had absymal results in Code S, failed to qualify for ST 1 and Code S S2; not to mention that PvT doesn't look like his best matchup.
Ragnarok played really well late last night (beat Trap 3-2, then Dream 4-1 in a small AlphaX invitational). It will be interesting to see if any of those games spills over.
On December 06 2020 02:15 royalroadweed wrote: Terrible bracket luck for byun and clem.
It's rougher for ByuN. ByuN really needs the points to make Katowice, if he loses to Clem he's out of the tournament after already having a round 1 Super Tournament loss. Clem at least has Katowice safe, even if he doesn't make a deep run here.
On December 06 2020 02:15 royalroadweed wrote: Terrible bracket luck for byun and clem.
It's rougher for ByuN. ByuN really needs the points to make Katowice, if he loses to Clem he's out of the tournament after already having a round 1 Super Tournament loss. Clem at least has Katowice safe, even if he doesn't make a deep run here.
Very true. I think ByuN also could probably have used with a weaker opponent to buy himself a week before having a more intense series given his recent wrist flare-up.
On December 06 2020 02:15 royalroadweed wrote: Terrible bracket luck for byun and clem.
It's rougher for ByuN. ByuN really needs the points to make Katowice, if he loses to Clem he's out of the tournament after already having a round 1 Super Tournament loss. Clem at least has Katowice safe, even if he doesn't make a deep run here.
He needs the points to guarantee Katowice, but he probably makes it even if he loses.
On December 06 2020 02:15 royalroadweed wrote: Terrible bracket luck for byun and clem.
It's rougher for ByuN. ByuN really needs the points to make Katowice, if he loses to Clem he's out of the tournament after already having a round 1 Super Tournament loss. Clem at least has Katowice safe, even if he doesn't make a deep run here.
He needs the points to guarantee Katowice, but he probably makes it even if he loses.
On December 06 2020 02:24 Elentos wrote: No way Trap ever loses this game if he pays full attention, RIP
apparently I missed Trap messing up big time, what happened ?
He got his army surrounded by about 60 lings and 10 ravagers between his nat and third. He had forcefielded most of the ravagers below the ramp, but didn't realize that about 50 lings were waiting near his third to flank.
On December 06 2020 02:24 Elentos wrote: No way Trap ever loses this game if he pays full attention, RIP
apparently I missed Trap messing up big time, what happened ?
A ravager/ling attack. Trap forcefielded what he thought was all the lings away from the ravagers on the ramp. But then the other half of the lings came in from another side and surrounded his entire army and killed everything.
On December 06 2020 02:24 Elentos wrote: No way Trap ever loses this game if he pays full attention, RIP
apparently I missed Trap messing up big time, what happened ?
He got his army surrounded by about 60 lings and 10 ravagers between his nat and third. He had forcefielded most of the ravagers below the ramp, but didn't realize that about 50 lings were waiting near his third to flank.
On December 06 2020 02:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Worst possible fight from Trap.
On December 06 2020 02:24 Elentos wrote: No way Trap ever loses this game if he pays full attention, RIP
apparently I missed Trap messing up big time, what happened ?
A ravager/ling attack. Trap forcefielded what he thought was all the lings away from the ravagers on the ramp. But then the other half of the lings came in from another side and surrounded his entire army and killed everything.
It'd be one thing if this was just Ragnarok playing out of his mind to get points because he really needs them for Katowice. But this is really just Trap falling apart to shitty all-ins.
On December 06 2020 02:39 irvnasty wrote: Ragnarok should dedicate today's performance to soO and Impact.
Trap cannot be happy to see Jaganatha, but he should know that Ragnarok likes to play mutas here.
Jagannatha's just a Zerg map--Terran players learned to veto it within days, somehow Protoss doesn't feel the same.
why veto it when you can just win it?
It's still a terrible map for PvZ. Trap was dead in the water if Ragnarok had either gone up to 95 workers instead of staying on 75 when he saw Trap turtling on 3 bases, or if Ragnarok had not built so many unnecessary corruptors.
Very weird that he chose to go so heavy on mutas. I know he plays mutas on Jagannatha almost 100% of the time in all matchups, but the mixture of heavy spire play with ling/bling/roach/ravager meant that none of his units had good upgrades and he didn't really have an army that could use his econ advantage to bully Trap.
Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
On December 06 2020 02:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
Just an interesting choice.
Solar died twice by trying to tech too aggressive against Trap's blink stalker + random robo crap attacks, so maybe Rag wanted some more reliable mid-game troops
it was really the mutas that lost it for him anyway
On December 06 2020 02:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
Just an interesting choice.
Solar died twice by trying to tech too aggressive against Trap's blink stalker + random robo crap attacks, so maybe Rag wanted some more reliable mid-game troops
it was really the mutas that lost it for him anyway
It was him investing so much into the Mutas just to be a massive coward with them that lost him the game. Once you know that Phoenixes are on the way the Mutas are on a timer for how long they'll be relevant. He just didn't do any meaningful damage with them in that time, he didn't even try to really.
On December 06 2020 02:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
Just an interesting choice.
Solar died twice by trying to tech too aggressive against Trap's blink stalker + random robo crap attacks, so maybe Rag wanted some more reliable mid-game troops
it was really the mutas that lost it for him anyway
It was him investing so much into the Mutas just to be a massive coward with them that lost him the game. Once you know that Phoenixes are on the way the Mutas are on a timer for how long they'll be relevant. He just didn't do any meaningful damage with them in that time, he didn't even try to really.
I woudl not say coward. Trap just defended too well and Ragna couldn't find an opening
On December 06 2020 02:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
Just an interesting choice.
Solar died twice by trying to tech too aggressive against Trap's blink stalker + random robo crap attacks, so maybe Rag wanted some more reliable mid-game troops
it was really the mutas that lost it for him anyway
It was him investing so much into the Mutas just to be a massive coward with them that lost him the game. Once you know that Phoenixes are on the way the Mutas are on a timer for how long they'll be relevant. He just didn't do any meaningful damage with them in that time, he didn't even try to really.
I woudl not say coward. Trap just defended too well and Ragna couldn't find an opening
It's a very pre-LotV approach to muta defense too to just camp on 3 base until you have the anti-air to go to 4.
On December 06 2020 02:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Interesting choice by Ragnarok to go for Banelings instead of Hydralisks and Lurkers in that situation. That first fight that Trap took where Baneling speed wasn't done yet was incredibly efficient.
It's not as if Trap was on double Robotics or anything yet and he only ever made like one Collosus.
Just an interesting choice.
Solar died twice by trying to tech too aggressive against Trap's blink stalker + random robo crap attacks, so maybe Rag wanted some more reliable mid-game troops
it was really the mutas that lost it for him anyway
It was him investing so much into the Mutas just to be a massive coward with them that lost him the game. Once you know that Phoenixes are on the way the Mutas are on a timer for how long they'll be relevant. He just didn't do any meaningful damage with them in that time, he didn't even try to really.
I woudl not say coward. Trap just defended too well and Ragna couldn't find an opening
Agreed. It wasn't the control with the mutas that was the problem--more the decision to double and triple down on them.
I like how every time this speed flood gets later and later in order to catch P off-guard LMAO. Started with 19 drones, then became drone drill with 23, now it's 28 drone one.
On December 06 2020 03:18 AzAlexZ wrote: can't respect Ragnarok with that ending, scumbag move. hope he gets destroyed in the next series
Really?
Blame the game not the players. A player should just do whatever strat. they think works best--a win's a win regardless of if it's nice to watch or not.
On December 06 2020 03:18 lolfail9001 wrote: I like how every time this speed flood gets later and later in order to catch P off-guard LMAO. Started with 19 drones, then became drone drill with 23, now it's 28 drone one.
On December 06 2020 03:18 AzAlexZ wrote: can't respect Ragnarok with that ending, scumbag move. hope he gets fuking destroyed in the next series in the most gut-wrenching way
well very strange series to win for Ragnarok and it's disappointing to lose Trap. But I had Ragnarok winning 3-2 on the TSL betting contest so I'm not completely unhappy ^^
hey I'm not saying he wasn't right to play to win, just now I wish he loses in the most heart-breaking way in the next series because of this (you can tell I'm a trap fan)
On December 06 2020 03:18 lolfail9001 wrote: I like how every time this speed flood gets later and later in order to catch P off-guard LMAO. Started with 19 drones, then became drone drill with 23, now it's 28 drone one.
Just wait for the 70 drone maxed Speedling Allin
Dark used to go for like a 55-ish +1 zergling all-in against protoss at some point in LotV. I don't remember the specifics but it was pure zergling, and pretty fun to see 80 something zerglings kill protoss
No idea what to expect from this one. Armani doesn't feel quite as strong recently as he did a couple months ago, but HeRoMaRinE doesn't seem to fare well against Korean players.
On December 06 2020 03:39 Vindicare605 wrote: smh. I'll never understand why Terrans put an Engineering Bay in their wall.
basically it has way more HP than a supply depot, is larger so you have artificial choke points and can buy you more time if the opponent is stupid enough to attack ebays when bane busting
On December 06 2020 03:44 SamirDuran wrote: big gabe's biggest weakness.. Korean pros
He just doesn't seem to perform consistently in bigger events--in the ESL Open Cups he rarely if ever loses to a weaker player, but in international events he'll lose to Zoun or Nice.
On December 06 2020 03:44 SamirDuran wrote: big gabe's biggest weakness.. Korean pros
He just doesn't seem to perform consistently in bigger events--in the ESL Open Cups he rarely if ever loses to a weaker player, but in international events he'll lose to Zoun or Nice.
On December 06 2020 03:44 SamirDuran wrote: big gabe's biggest weakness.. Korean pros
He just doesn't seem to perform consistently in bigger events--in the ESL Open Cups he rarely if ever loses to a weaker player, but in international events he'll lose to Zoun or Nice.
I'd question calling Zoun a weaker player.
Eh he's probably at least a mild underdog. As the "new blood" in the Korean scene he's pretty hyped up, but his record against even mid-tier players like Dream or Patience hardly inspires much confidence.
On December 06 2020 04:03 stilt wrote: For a moment, I thought Big Gabe was so Big he was trying to win without controlling his army. GG tho !
Gabe has a ping somewhere between 210 and 220 in the NA West games (games 2,3 and 5 of his match vs Armani)
of course he can not micro with that ...
Byun, Maru, Cure had pings too, actually, he showed way better splits toward the end of the game.
I guess the ping got better during the game ? Or just he wasn't on the right pace, I gonna lean on the second option.
Koreans don't matter? Like seriously, every time somebody mentions the ping, the time zone, it's "EXCUSES"!!! But suddenly Heromarine has ping, who would have thought!
Pretty easy saling for Heromarine even without splitting. Again so special that Armani reached the GSL SF earlier this year, its not like he improved that much looking at this series. Makes that achievement even better
On December 06 2020 04:03 stilt wrote: For a moment, I thought Big Gabe was so Big he was trying to win without controlling his army. GG tho !
Gabe has a ping somewhere between 210 and 220 in the NA West games (games 2,3 and 5 of his match vs Armani)
of course he can not micro with that ...
Byun, Maru, Cure had pings too, actually, he showed way better splits toward the end of the game.
I guess the ping got better during the game ? Or just he wasn't on the right pace, I gonna lean on the second option.
I thought all the "micro jackson" stuff for ByuN's ASUS ROG run was more memes than reality. I* didn't think he really tried much fancy baneling focus fire or precision-centric moves. He was just very good at his overall macro, army positioning/pre-positioning, and multitasking.
On December 06 2020 04:03 stilt wrote: For a moment, I thought Big Gabe was so Big he was trying to win without controlling his army. GG tho !
Gabe has a ping somewhere between 210 and 220 in the NA West games (games 2,3 and 5 of his match vs Armani)
of course he can not micro with that ...
Byun, Maru, Cure had pings too, actually, he showed way better splits toward the end of the game.
I guess the ping got better during the game ? Or just he wasn't on the right pace, I gonna lean on the second option.
I thought all the "micro jackson" stuff for ByuN's ASUS ROG run was more memes than reality. He didn't think he really tried much fancy baneling focus fire or precision-centric moves. He was just very good at his overall macro, army positioning/pre-positioning, and multitasking.
Take it at face value, ByuN is the micro guy for most people. Doesn't really matter that his micro falls off as armies get bigger and he compensates with pre-fight setup.
Good job from Gabe, he ofc was the fav against Armani, but god what a horrible series from the Korean. Outclassed by a Gabe playing a pretty poor series himself..
There isn't a way to see the standings of the bracket challenge right? I (and many other people I'm sure) can't remember what I predicted for a bunch of these series.
On December 06 2020 04:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There isn't a way to see the standings of the bracket challenge right? I (and many other people I'm sure) can't remember what I predicted for a bunch of these series.
Nope, unfortunately not for this stage of the contest. We'll bring back Liquipedia brackets for the next weeks though, so people should be able to track their predictions going forward.
On December 06 2020 04:03 stilt wrote: For a moment, I thought Big Gabe was so Big he was trying to win without controlling his army. GG tho !
Gabe has a ping somewhere between 210 and 220 in the NA West games (games 2,3 and 5 of his match vs Armani)
of course he can not micro with that ...
Byun, Maru, Cure had pings too, actually, he showed way better splits toward the end of the game.
I guess the ping got better during the game ? Or just he wasn't on the right pace, I gonna lean on the second option.
I thought all the "micro jackson" stuff for ByuN's ASUS ROG run was more memes than reality. I* didn't think he really tried much fancy baneling focus fire or precision-centric moves. He was just very good at his overall macro, army positioning/pre-positioning, and multitasking.
There are a lot of silly myths, that said, it's pretty ambitious to argue that Byun and Maru overall took as much damages of banelings as gabe in the first game.
Just when I want to start giving Armani some credit he throws his worst series of the year out there and loses to a Heromarine who wasn't even playing his best Starcraft.
This is why I just cannot take Armani seriously. He just won't let me.
It's not a hellion run-by, it's just a hellbat walk-by. Amazing that two of them managed to walk out after a solid 90 seconds strolling around the zerg main and nat.
On December 06 2020 05:28 Bagration wrote: Fuck, my internet lagged right as the fight began. Lag spike into GG - nothing more fucking infuriating from a viewership perspective
You didn't miss much tbh. Maru had the much better army, so he stimmed in and won.
edit: Series like this always make me wonder how much the Korean player knows about their less known non-Korean opponent. Like if it was someone like Solar I'm sure he would have studied up on Cham's builds on top of having played against him online a bunch. But Maru is the complete opposite and I'm more wondering about if Maru knows at all who Cham is.
On December 06 2020 05:28 Bagration wrote: Fuck, my internet lagged right as the fight began. Lag spike into GG - nothing more fucking infuriating from a viewership perspective
You didn't miss much tbh. Maru had the much better army, so he stimmed in and won.
edit: Series like this always make me wonder how much the Korean player knows about their less known non-Korean opponent. Like if it was someone like Solar I'm sure he would have studied up on Cham's builds. But Maru is the complete opposite and I'm more wondering about if Maru knows at all who Cham is.
I doubt that Solar would study Cham's builds, it's more likely he just knows from online cups.
On December 06 2020 05:28 Bagration wrote: Fuck, my internet lagged right as the fight began. Lag spike into GG - nothing more fucking infuriating from a viewership perspective
You didn't miss much tbh. Maru had the much better army, so he stimmed in and won.
edit: Series like this always make me wonder how much the Korean player knows about their less known non-Korean opponent. Like if it was someone like Solar I'm sure he would have studied up on Cham's builds. But Maru is the complete opposite and I'm more wondering about if Maru knows at all who Cham is.
I doubt that Solar would study Cham's builds, it's more likely he just knows from online cups.
Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
On December 06 2020 05:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
It's PartinG/Dream. I'm also not sure where the confidence in TY is coming from, he's not exactly been playing at a level head and shoulders above his part of the bracket recently thanks to his Brood War dalliance.
On December 06 2020 05:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
It's PartinG/Dream. I'm also not sure where the confidence in TY is coming from, he's not exactly been playing at a level head and shoulders above his part of the bracket recently thanks to his Brood War dalliance.
TY is the reigning Code S champion. Until that changes he gets my confidence.
On December 06 2020 05:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
It's PartinG/Dream. I'm also not sure where the confidence in TY is coming from, he's not exactly been playing at a level head and shoulders above his part of the bracket recently thanks to his Brood War dalliance.
TY is the reigning Code S champion. Until that changes he gets my confidence.
This is not Code S so he should be judged by his non-Code S performances. Like the 0-3 vs Neeb. He's not in Code S winning form in these events, that much has been clear.
On December 06 2020 05:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
It's PartinG/Dream. I'm also not sure where the confidence in TY is coming from, he's not exactly been playing at a level head and shoulders above his part of the bracket recently thanks to his Brood War dalliance.
TY is the reigning Code S champion. Until that changes he gets my confidence.
This is not Code S so he should be judged by his non-Code S performances. Like the 0-3 vs Neeb. He's not in Code S winning form in these events, that much has been clear.
When I look at brackets, I assume each player will play to their usual standard. Does that mean they always will, of course not.
If TY plays like he's in a Code S, then I don't see a reason why he wouldn't advance to the 4th round in that bracket. If he loses before that it will be an upset. That's all.
On December 06 2020 05:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru faces the winner of Parting/Bunny next followed by either Dark or Serral after that, followed by TY after that. Brutal fucking bracket besides the match with Cham.
It's PartinG/Dream. I'm also not sure where the confidence in TY is coming from, he's not exactly been playing at a level head and shoulders above his part of the bracket recently thanks to his Brood War dalliance.
TY is the reigning Code S champion. Until that changes he gets my confidence.
This is not Code S so he should be judged by his non-Code S performances. Like the 0-3 vs Neeb. He's not in Code S winning form in these events, that much has been clear.
When I look at brackets, I assume each player will play to their usual standard. Does that mean they always will, of course not.
If TY plays like he's in a Code S, then I don't see a reason why he wouldn't advance to the 4th round in that bracket. If he loses before that it will be an upset. That's all.
I just like to imagine Starcraft 2, but there's an Unreal Tournament style announcer voice for every kill. I'm sure Harstem seeing the supply he killed is a similar feeling.
On December 06 2020 05:57 Elentos wrote: I just like to imagine Starcraft 2, but there's an Unreal Tournament style announcer voice for every kill. I'm sure Harstem seeing the supply he killed is a similar feeling.
I agree, we need the sexy announcer! Sadly they stopped doing announcer packs
This is why you should open void ray if you plan to go double SG. those initial roaches will have done nothing and you could have keep the phoenixes at the other side of the map.
Sure, happens to big companies, doesn't change the fact it's a rookie mistake
Excuse me I'll have you know that Blizzard is a small indie company.
Well, that was back then when they sacked hundreds of people, I bet somebody said "we don't need testers, you all write excellent code as you're being paid for a good job a good code"
Sure, happens to big companies, doesn't change the fact it's a rookie mistake
Excuse me I'll have you know that Blizzard is a small indie company.
oh no i hear this too much in classic wow. the meme is invading my sc2 safespace
What now? Enlighten a stupid SC2 player, please
it's like a default response to any complaint about the game BLIZZARD IS A sMALL INDIE COMPANY THEY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH /s /s /s /s
Ah, OK, thanks. Liek seriously, this shit happens to almost every SW company, who actually can get away with that. A friend of mine is working for a SW company which supplies SW to multiple European nuclear power plants and he said that even THEY can get away with stupid stuff, because the power plants have hardware safety things and so many of them, that a bug in the SW cannot endanger anything
Edit> the power plant controlling sw, not some SW for the the drinking fountains
On December 06 2020 06:33 geokilla wrote: Foreigners getting rekt.
Have they hit rock bottom?
Are they? The only matchup that was someway even was Heromarine against Armani and Big Gabe won.
You'd really expect top 20 Europeans to do better against the three best Koreans. So yeah they're absolutely rock bottom.
Especially since recently some people claiomed Koreans hit the rock bottom and that another tourney where Koreans can reclaim their fallen prestige or something like that. So if the Koreans are that bad, foreigners should win.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
On December 06 2020 06:33 geokilla wrote: Foreigners getting rekt.
Have they hit rock bottom?
Are they? The only matchup that was someway even was Heromarine against Armani and Big Gabe won.
Chill out rock bottom is quite an amusing meme. Justified as well for stupidly claiming Koreans hit rock bottom after 1 bad tournament (and even that had a Korean in the final lol)
Neeb vs Showtime has like no meaning at all for Katowice or anything so I'm just gonna consider it a deathmatch for who gets to call themselves best foreign Protoss for the next few weeks.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
I for one thought the mysterious aspect was meant to be a positive.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
Doing random clown builds while being perfectly able to do a very good macro game makes him a hard to read opponent. Especially considering he doesn't do exactly known builds, just styling it through.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
Maybe to you. To me being so darn good and so freaking bad in this game too is a great mystery
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
I for one thought the mysterious aspect was meant to be a positive.
I really didn't mean his inconsistency in the form, while that's a big mystery as well, but mostly his ability to go - fuck it, random nydus, queens, roaches/lings and seee yaaa on the victory screen!
I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
On December 06 2020 06:33 geokilla wrote: Foreigners getting rekt.
Have they hit rock bottom?
Are they? The only matchup that was someway even was Heromarine against Armani and Big Gabe won.
You'd really expect top 20 Europeans to do better against the three best Koreans. So yeah they're absolutely rock bottom.
Especially since recently some people claiomed Koreans hit the rock bottom and that another tourney where Koreans can reclaim their fallen prestige or something like that. So if the Koreans are that bad, foreigners should win.
You still haven't realized that the one starting than topic was none other than Morbidius, a guy who pukes whenever he sees the word "Serral"; amusing, to say the least.
I guess Ziggurat was being sarcastic, Dave instead is just as a fanboy as you are.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
Doing random clown builds while being perfectly able to do a very good macro game makes him a hard to read opponent. Especially considering he doesn't do exactly known builds, just styling it through.
In general Rogue is quite good at mixing up builds, and has a really good killer instinct, but "post-tournament" Rogue doesn't usually lose because he's clowning and doing weird stuff--he loses because he plays poorly.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Rogue as Protoss would be something like PartinG or MC but without the huge personality, not an sOs imo.
Don't know, to me Parting or MC were pretty expectable/readable, but Rogue is more a mystery, but maybe I'm just fanboying.
Rogue really isn't mysterious. Proleague Rogue I'll give you, but individual tournament champion Rogue? Nah.
I think it's the complete opposite. Proleague Rogue was expected to clown and produce snipe builds. This version: 1. No one knows which Rogue will show up to any given tournament or even match/day 2. It's extremely hard to prepare for him, especially in ZvP because he can do a 100 builds some of which no one understands but he makes them work 3. He is a lot better mechanically now then in the old days so he can play macro games against the best players as well as clown strats
I think this kind of inconsistency and unpredictability can sure be considered mysterious
Occasionally playing terribly and bombing out in the first round right after winning a tournament isn't all that mysterious.
Doing random clown builds while being perfectly able to do a very good macro game makes him a hard to read opponent. Especially considering he doesn't do exactly known builds, just styling it through.
In general Rogue is quite good at mixing up builds, and has a really good killer instinct, but "post-tournament" Rogue doesn't usually lose because he's clowning and doing weird stuff--he loses because he plays poorly.
Agree, but that's not what I meant I meant the build mixing being his mysterious part.
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
they published the bracket like 20 hours ago, cant blame him tbh
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
they published the bracket like 20 hours ago, cant blame him tbh
We can blame whoever we wish. I personally blame Canada since 1999
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
they published the bracket like 20 hours ago, cant blame him tbh
We can blame whoever we wish. I personally blame Canada since 1999
Canada? That's where TLO lives now. Sure seems like a strange coincidence.
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
Why the hell is Harstem partying when he should be social distancing like the rest of us? I haven't partied in well over a year cus of COVID. No wonder foreign SC2 has hit rock bottom.
On December 06 2020 07:10 Elentos wrote: If only Showtime had a bit more killer instinct and a bit more consistency. He could be playing for championships.
I feel like he is improving in that aspect (even tho it didn't help him vs maru)
On December 06 2020 07:10 Argonauta wrote: PvP is a really sick matchup unless sOs makes invisible dudes
I'm still triggered tbh, Zest should have known it was DTs in the first game. And no detection at 8 minutes in game 2 is definitely a life style and not a strategy.
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
they published the bracket like 20 hours ago, cant blame him tbh
We can blame whoever we wish. I personally blame Canada since 1999
Canada? That's where TLO lives now. Sure seems like a strange coincidence.
Even Robin Williams warned him at (I believe) the year 2000. It's not a coincidence when you have been warned!
On December 06 2020 07:01 Elentos wrote: I also will say Harstem (a TL player) not realizing his match in TSL (a TL tournament) was today and getting drunk at his dad's party sure sounds like something TL writers made up.
Why the hell is Harstem partying when he should be social distancing like the rest of us? I haven't partied in well over a year cus of COVID. No wonder foreign SC2 has hit rock bottom.
/sarcasm
Well over a year? Hmm... I don't think covid can be blamed for that entire timespan.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater (well not really, I didn't hate him but I was cheering against him) after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
While everyone was hyped about Jaedong, I don't think many people were surprised when Jaedong lost his 5th finals for the year. I was more surprised when he actually won that ASUS event right after Blizzcon.
Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
JD had beaten Maru in an epic game and Dear who was seen as the big favorite while sOs's games weren't very goods and lacked narratives. That's like blizzcon 2014, Life beats Taeja in a epic bo5 after beating Zest, most people expected him to beat MMA, which he did.
I wouldn't call it a surprise, I don't think many were (except the game on akilon wastes which JD threw), people were just disappointed and crushed to see how it was done.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
While everyone was hyped about Jaedong, I don't think many people were surprised when Jaedong lost his 5th finals for the year. I was more surprised when he actually won that ASUS event right after Blizzcon.
Aw yeah, people were more surprised it was sOs.
ASUS tourney, wasn't that the tournament where JD was scared by Khaldor?
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
JD had beaten Maru in an epic game and Dear who was seen as the big favorite while sOs's games weren't very goods and lacked narratives. That's like blizzcon 2014, Life beats Taeja in a epic bo5 after beating Zest, most people expected him to beat MMA, which he did.
I wouldn't call it a surprise, I don't think many were (except the game on akilon wastes which JD threw), people were just disappointed and crushed to see how it was done.
JD was a big fan favorite and caster favorite so it was presented as a surprise. The same way some foreign casters tend to favour foreigners.
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
I was at that Blizzcon, and the salt levels in the crowd was unlike anything I've ever seen before. The amount of butt hurt nerds that wouldn't even clap for sOs when he got his trophy made me so mad. It still makes me mad to think about it.
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
Maybe, a nailbiting 3-2 tho. Showtime's record is truly appalling!
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
While everyone was hyped about Jaedong, I don't think many people were surprised when Jaedong lost his 5th finals for the year. I was more surprised when he actually won that ASUS event right after Blizzcon.
Aw yeah, people were more surprised it was sOs.
ASUS tourney, wasn't that the tournament where JD was scared by Khaldor?
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
JD had beaten Maru in an epic game and Dear who was seen as the big favorite while sOs's games weren't very goods and lacked narratives. That's like blizzcon 2014, Life beats Taeja in a epic bo5 after beating Zest, most people expected him to beat MMA, which he did.
I wouldn't call it a surprise, I don't think many were (except the game on akilon wastes which JD threw), people were just disappointed and crushed to see how it was done.
JD was a big fan favorite and caster favorite so it was presented as a surprise. The same way some foreign casters tend to favour foreigners.
Haha. Was he really? Khaldor is one intense guy so that can be a bit intimidating.
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
Maybe, a nailbiting 3-2 tho. Showtime's record is truly appalling!
Showtime from ASUS vs full John Sun is an easy 3-0. If any sort of actual TY shows up it gets harder.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
I was at that Blizzcon, and the salt levels in the crowd was unlike anything I've ever seen before. The amount of butt hurt nerds that wouldn't even clap for sOs when he got his trophy made me so mad. It still makes me mad to think about it.
Well, he was being favored by the crew because he was a big fan favorite and he played really well. So it's not that surprising. I just found it hilarious that his unknown dude just arised, did beat JD and pissed everybody Loved that.
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
While everyone was hyped about Jaedong, I don't think many people were surprised when Jaedong lost his 5th finals for the year. I was more surprised when he actually won that ASUS event right after Blizzcon.
Aw yeah, people were more surprised it was sOs.
ASUS tourney, wasn't that the tournament where JD was scared by Khaldor?
On December 06 2020 07:21 stilt wrote:
On December 06 2020 07:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 06 2020 07:16 stilt wrote:
On December 06 2020 06:37 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 06 2020 06:36 StasisField wrote: If Rogue was Protoss, he'd be the most hated man in all of SC2
sOs back in his prime wasn't hated, was he?
Not really but he broke so many hearts when he beat JD... I personnally became a hater after this and the blizzcon 2015 didn't make it better.
The JD blizzcon was epic, everybody was so hyped about JD, every JD's game was streamed and in the meantime on the B stream outside the hype sOs was destroying nerds left and right and then killed JD as well and everybody was "surprised"
JD had beaten Maru in an epic game and Dear who was seen as the big favorite while sOs's games weren't very goods and lacked narratives. That's like blizzcon 2014, Life beats Taeja in a epic bo5 after beating Zest, most people expected him to beat MMA, which he did.
I wouldn't call it a surprise, I don't think many were (except the game on akilon wastes which JD threw), people were just disappointed and crushed to see how it was done.
JD was a big fan favorite and caster favorite so it was presented as a surprise. The same way some foreign casters tend to favour foreigners.
Haha. Was he really? Khaldor is one intense guy so that can be a bit intimidating.
Well, JD was setting up the sound or something and Khaldor came from behind and JD was focusing on the PC, so when Khaldor gently touched him, he got a little bit jumpy DAMN CANNOT FIND THE GIF/Video ><
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
Maybe, a nailbiting 3-2 tho. Showtime's record is truly appalling!
Wasn't it a 3-1? Also played some pretty good games vs a in form maru so idk should be good enough.
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
Maybe, a nailbiting 3-2 tho. Showtime's record is truly appalling!
Wasn't it a 3-1? Also played some pretty good games vs a in form maru so idk should be good enough.
Showtime won 3-1 against Inno. That was the exception, tho; getting 3-0d by Maru who had just gone 3-2 against Harstem is more like his expected performance(sadly). John Sun has hopes, if TY shows up Showtime is just going down.
On December 06 2020 07:21 Xain0n wrote: Didn't really expect this series to be end 3-0! DIE MAUER!! On the other hand, Showtime's record against korean Terran is so terrible that John Sun would still be the favourite.
Showtime smashed Inno a week ago, that'd be well enough for John Sun.
Maybe, a nailbiting 3-2 tho. Showtime's record is truly appalling!
Wasn't it a 3-1? Also played some pretty good games vs a in form maru so idk should be good enough.
Showtime won 3-1 against Inno. That was the exception, tho; getting 3-0d by Maru who had just gone 3-2 against Harstem is more like his expected performance(sadly). John Sun has hopes, if TY shows up Showtime is just going down.
The maru that played vs showtime was very different than the one vs harstem i'd say.
I feel like whenever we have either Reynor or Serral playing against foreigners, we might skipt the games and just give Serral/Reynor the ticket to the next round.
Reynor won a game where he was down 30k in resources lost on Romanticide, Serral can certainly win this when roughly even in resources lost.
Romanticide is so hard to turtle on since it's so easy for the opponent to take bases that are "meant" for you. On most maps the non-turtling player can be up a base or two--on Romanticide you can be up four.
On December 06 2020 08:08 Elentos wrote: Agreeing to play Zergannatha is definitely a choice
souL did that a lot in DH Winter too--his first veto is usually Lightshade I think? I don't really understand why. Maybe he really believes in the winrates on Liquipedia.
On December 06 2020 07:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this game looked like a 500mmr difference ladder game
Since Serral is 7.4k on EU, it might be pretty accurate.
Never forget that moment at HSC where they were talking about the MMR difference between Serral and all the other europeans. And I believe it was ToD or Rotterdam who were talking with Harstem, and he was like "Yeah, whenever Serral wins he gets like 3 MMR points or sth." And then they asked him how much points he'd get if he defeated Serral and Harstem was just like "I don't know". That cracked me up!
On December 06 2020 07:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this game looked like a 500mmr difference ladder game
Since Serral is 7.4k on EU, it might be pretty accurate.
Never forget that moment at HSC where they were talking about the MMR difference between Serral and all the other europeans. And I believe it was ToD or Rotterdam who were talking with Harstem, and he was like "Yeah, whenever Serral wins he gets like 3 MMR points or sth." And then they asked him how much points he'd get if he defeated Serral and Harstem was just like "I don't know". That cracked me up!
On December 06 2020 07:53 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this game looked like a 500mmr difference ladder game
Since Serral is 7.4k on EU, it might be pretty accurate.
Never forget that moment at HSC where they were talking about the MMR difference between Serral and all the other europeans. And I believe it was ToD or Rotterdam who were talking with Harstem, and he was like "Yeah, whenever Serral wins he gets like 3 MMR points or sth." And then they asked him how much points he'd get if he defeated Serral and Harstem was just like "I don't know". That cracked me up!
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