DH Masters Summer: Season Finals - Page 140

On July 20 2020 04:24 Waxangel wrote:
Fuck it, time to unban Rodya

On July 20 2020 09:13 Highways wrote:
Haven't been following SC2 for years, only got back into because of covid.

My thoughts:

Protoss vs Zerg seems impossible. Unless Protoss wins with an all-in or strategy that catches the Zerg off guard, they cannot win at all. Ling/Roach/Ravager will destroy anything Protoss throws at Zergs, even if Protoss goes for high tech builds. It's very hard to harass the Zerg economy as well, outside early adepts or oracle, which means Zerg can just mass expand and build up an economy very very quickly.

Terran vs Zerg. I don't know why the top Korean Terrans were getting smashed by the EU Zergs. Was it because it was online? Terran needs way more micro than Zerg, constantly dropping, stutter step, splitting, protecting medivacs etc... Whereas Zerg can annihilate a Terran army with attack move units such as ling/bane. Which means when there is lag/delay, it cripples the Terran way more than Zerg.

I am assuming the struggles were due to lag, or are the EU Zergs that good?

On July 20 2020 11:21 Husyelt wrote:

Fair. Although dismantling Reynor is a feat by itself right now. And he was able to surprise and outplay Serral in the first game.

Great tournament overall considering the circumstances. Serral had a well deserved win beating out Inno / TY / Cure and Trap in decisive fashion.

On July 20 2020 07:25 Starcloud wrote:

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Funniest thing has been that now casters are accused to "get paid to praise foreingers". Guess what, Koreans dominated SC2 for like 8 years. They have had their share of praise. Now there are actually foreingers that do better than them, and we should just be silent and bow to the statue of "insert Maru here" all the time, even when they dont perform well ? Arent there Korean casts in almost every tournament nowadays too ? Maybe peeps should go watch their stream to get more "neutral bias" casting.

On July 20 2020 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:

NO, people like me expect a professional casting from the official source where they handle both sides equally. That's called professional casting. People don't like if casters put too much their bias towards something that should be neutral. e.g. if you're watching a football match (say Arsenal vs Real Madrid) and you hear the person rambling on and on and on about Arsenal while Real Madrid is leading. And the same shit happens when RM won. If I wanted biased casting I would have opened a community casting stream, not the official one

And yes, with the amount of praise people start spreading rumors. Maybe the casters who imply they're professional should start working as professionals and leave their own bias for other time.

On July 20 2020 19:35 Acrofales wrote:

Have you ever *watched* football?!

On July 20 2020 09:13 Highways wrote:
Haven't been following SC2 for years, only got back into because of covid.

My thoughts:

Protoss vs Zerg seems impossible. Unless Protoss wins with an all-in or strategy that catches the Zerg off guard, they cannot win at all. Ling/Roach/Ravager will destroy anything Protoss throws at Zergs, even if Protoss goes for high tech builds. It's very hard to harass the Zerg economy as well, outside early adepts or oracle, which means Zerg can just mass expand and build up an economy very very quickly.

Terran vs Zerg. I don't know why the top Korean Terrans were getting smashed by the EU Zergs. Was it because it was online? Terran needs way more micro than Zerg, constantly dropping, stutter step, splitting, protecting medivacs etc... Whereas Zerg can annihilate a Terran army with attack move units such as ling/bane. Which means when there is lag/delay, it cripples the Terran way more than Zerg.

I am assuming the struggles were due to lag, or are the EU Zergs that good?

On July 20 2020 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:

NO, people like me expect a professional casting from the official source where they handle both sides equally. That's called professional casting. People don't like if casters put too much their bias towards something that should be neutral. e.g. if you're watching a football match (say Arsenal vs Real Madrid) and you hear the person rambling on and on and on about Arsenal while Real Madrid is leading. And the same shit happens when RM won. If I wanted biased casting I would have opened a community casting stream, not the official one

And yes, with the amount of praise people start spreading rumors. Maybe the casters who imply they're professional should start working as professionals and leave their own bias for other time.

On July 20 2020 21:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any time a British club was in Europe, especially going back 10-15 years the commentary was always at least slightly skewed towards the British team. From listening to podcast interviews with Martin Tyler and Clive Tyldesley they’d admit to a bit of that, and they’re two of the bigger hitters over here.

Especially when we watched less European football in general people were more familiar by far with the teams they watched that week, the supporters of that team + those neutrals who wanted to see a British team advance would all root for that team and the commentary would reflect why the audience were tuning in in the first place.

Never got obnoxious, especially if the British team happened to be the underdog but it was there and does add some flavour.

They’re in the entertainment business, not fulfilling some sacred civic duty. The stream peaked at what, 50k? With a cursory glance at Twitch chat it’s pretty obvious a lot of them aren’t exactly hardcore consumers of all SC2 content/knowledgable players, some are fans of particular streamers etc etc.

There’s a pretty broad church to please there, don’t think it gives a pass on bias if it’s over the top. Equally I think it’s grossly unfair to accuse casters of being paid to only hype up foreign players.

Doesn’t mean they can’t do a better job either. I did watch a lot of the event and perhaps missed some stuff but honestly if I was a new fan, or a returning one after a lay-off (as I was once in life) I don’t think I’d have known that Trap made 2 of the last 3 GSL finals and really I think that’s a problem for framing his matches. One of if not the best all-round Protoss currently and you wouldn’t actually know he was of that calibre, which is one example of exceeding catering to a foreign audience and leaving too much potential hype out.