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On July 20 2020 04:13 Waxangel wrote:I'll enjoy reading all of these posts again in a few weeks when Serral wins the Douyu Cup 
I wonder if Rogue will actually compete there. Maybe some JAGW players will break his arms before it starts 
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On July 20 2020 04:13 Waxangel wrote:I'll enjoy reading all of these posts again in a few weeks when Serral wins the Douyu Cup
In all honesty, I hope Reynor or Clem wins it. Joona has to win the Global Finals next year 
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On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization.
well is for easy reading. I honestly look only under the championship box and I tough that was all. But two HSC apparently count as premier.
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On July 20 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote:On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 03:34 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the Messi of SC2. It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam
Considering he's reacting to me and I listed Serral's activity from 2017 Blizzcon to today, we're talking roughly 2,5 years.
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On July 20 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote:On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 03:34 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the Messi of SC2. It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam
The last two years: Katowice's finals was played the 4th of March in 2018, more that 28 months ago.
Which is fine, considering that Serral became world breaking after Nation Wars.
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On July 20 2020 04:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote:On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 03:34 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the Messi of SC2. It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam Considering he's reacting to me and I listed Serral's activity from 2017 Blizzcon to today, we're talking roughly 2,5 years.
Those are 2 katowices
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On July 20 2020 04:18 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote:On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 03:34 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the Messi of SC2. It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam The last two years: Katowice's finals was played the 4th of March in 2018, more that 28 months ago.
When someone uses the expression "we are going past a couple of years" I get it as a kinda loosely term not a 2x365 days from today
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On July 20 2020 04:18 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:16 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:14 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote:On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 03:34 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the Messi of SC2. It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam Considering he's reacting to me and I listed Serral's activity from 2017 Blizzcon to today, we're talking roughly 2,5 years. Those are 2 katowices
2017 Blizzcon, 2018 Katowice, 2018 Blizzcon, 2019 Katowice, 2019 Blizzcon, 2020 Katowice. I counted 3. (not 4, my bad)
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As I said I don’t think it necessarily = GOAT, I struggle to think of a player making the Ro4 or better in basically every tournament they play over a couple of years.
I don’t think it’s entirely off base to say Serral is relentlessly consistently good if nothing else.
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Fuck it, time to unban Rodya
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On July 20 2020 04:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
As I said I don’t think it necessarily = GOAT, I struggle to think of a player making the Ro4 or better in basically every tournament they play over a couple of years.
I don’t think it’s entirely off base to say Serral is relentlessly consistently good if nothing else.
Aw yeah, he is, he's in the top4 players(which I say for long time). Partially because he's not playing much in Korea. I believe that many Koreans are victims of the fact they play against each other so much. IMO that's the reason why Reynor wins over Serral, because they play too much against each other.
Sadly he has issues in winning, not the soO level of issues, but somehow he runs out of energy or meets Reynor.
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On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization.
To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below.
I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now.
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On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now.
Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros.
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On July 20 2020 04:26 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now. Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros.
true, but 5 years from now its not now.
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On July 20 2020 04:32 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:26 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now. Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros. true, but 5 years from now its not now.
The last batch almost killed Protoss in Korea. It doesn't have to remove all the top players, but high enough. The current Code S is still a heavy competition, but instead of 32 top world class players we have what, 12? Damn, now not just my head hurts, but i'm depressed.
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"Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose." Serral has the right attitude for a competitor. He never lets his massive d—err trophy collection get to his head. That's yet another reason why he IS the GOAT. Reynor is quickly encroaching onto his territory, though, if Reynor keeps up his recent form. His MMR surpassed Serral for a short while recently, albeit it's Reynor's barcode account.
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On July 20 2020 04:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:32 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:26 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now. Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros. true, but 5 years from now its not now. The last batch almost killed Protoss in Korea. It doesn't have to remove all the top players, but high enough. The current Code S is still a heavy competition, but instead of 32 top world class players we have what, 12? Damn, now not just my head hurts, but i'm depressed.
Maru will be the king of ashes if serral doesn't go stop him.
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On July 20 2020 04:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:32 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:26 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now. Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros. true, but 5 years from now its not now. The last batch almost killed Protoss in Korea. It doesn't have to remove all the top players, but high enough. The current Code S is still a heavy competition, but instead of 32 top world class players we have what, 12? Damn, now not just my head hurts, but i'm depressed.
Maybe the two koreas sign up peace for the great GSL God and drafting people into the army is not needed anymore
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I’m starting to hate the Starcraft community lmao
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On July 20 2020 04:39 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 04:34 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:32 Argonauta wrote:On July 20 2020 04:26 deacon.frost wrote:On July 20 2020 04:25 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote:
Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon.
Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. To be honest I think you could split it into pretty clear boxes without offending anyone. Starleagues, the world championships, and maybe the super stacked weekenders are premier, everything else below. I mean you literally have showmatches, online tournaments, and events with no koreans (even going back to before foreigners stood a chance) counting as premiers right now. Give it few years and foreignerlands will be superior to Korea as the military will take over all the top pros. true, but 5 years from now its not now. The last batch almost killed Protoss in Korea. It doesn't have to remove all the top players, but high enough. The current Code S is still a heavy competition, but instead of 32 top world class players we have what, 12? Damn, now not just my head hurts, but i'm depressed. Maru will be the king of ashes if serral doesn't go stop him.
No way, the curse of G5L works against him.
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