EPTOn July 20 2020 03:59 Argonauta wrote:
12? his liquipedia only shows 9 ( which of them 6 are region locked WCS titles)
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12? his liquipedia only shows 9 ( which of them 6 are region locked WCS titles)
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On July 20 2020 03:59 Argonauta wrote: 12? his liquipedia only shows 9 ( which of them 6 are region locked WCS titles) it's according to thermypedia  too bad TakeTV didn't create the primary record-keeping site of StarCraft II or they coudl have awarded StayAt HSC Premier status as well | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
μThermy needs to update them pedias then so it's accurate. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It's according to Liquipedia, I guess someone does not see or does not want to see: 6 WCS, 2 GSL vs the World, 2 Premier HSC, BlizzCon, DH Season finals. I just checked, they are all lined up under "achievements" in his Liquipedia profile  | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:02 Xain0n wrote: It's according to Liquipedia, I guess someone does not see or does not want to see. I just checked 6 WCS, 2 GSL vs the World, 2 Premier HSC, BlizzCon, DH Season finals. I just count under the championship label | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25333 Posts
On July 20 2020 03:56 deacon.frost wrote: It would be more accurate if he had won more heavy lifting trophies. Messi won 6 Champions League titles. That's the top achievement outside of the World Cup a football player can achieve on the field. And 1 2nd place at WC Brazil. So, let's say Blizzcon/Katowice is like the World Cup. Champions League would be more like Code S. Serral has 1 WC title out of 7 he tried for IIRC(2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 IEM, 2017, 2018, 2019 Blizzcon) and 0 Code S titles. While Serral is a great player he has very low number of the top trophies this game provides. Even the patch zerg, Rogue, has more than him(3 WC titles, all of which were achieved when Serral was active, 1 Code S title) If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote: If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. The point is that is easier to be consistent in WCS event than in GSL SuperTournament. Serral is top 1/2 easy in the foreigner scene plus some sparks in the international scene | ||
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darklycid
3510 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote: If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. What bothers me most is that every caster is putting serral instantly on the #1 podest as soon as he enters a tournament instead of casting him as a part of the top 4-5 player grp where anyone can have a good run to win the tournament. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:05 Wombat_NI wrote: If we’re putting Code S/Katowice and Blizzcon on roughly the same calibre (and yes Serral hasn’t played Code S) 1:7 would still be a pretty standout ratio. Not that’s a fair comparison but how do the Code S regulars compare? While opinions will endlessly rage about the GOAT, in terms of high placing across almost every tournament he is a relentlessly consistent player if nothing else. Others have had good streaks too but we’re going past a couple of years of Serral showing this form. Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Edit> My point is that he's not like Messi. Messi was playing the best possible competition regularily and he had a great part in FCB winning it 6 damn times. Serral is avoiding the biggest competition and he's not winning anything else in the same caliber rank. He's good, I've never denied that, but he's not godlike as every foreign caster makes him to be. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On July 20 2020 03:59 Argonauta wrote: 12? his liquipedia only shows 9 ( which of them 6 are region locked WCS titles) Nah, Liquipedia shows 12 with 2 HSCs being counted and 2 GSL vs The Worlds. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On July 20 2020 03:59 deacon.frost wrote: So, is it worth watching Trap v Reynor? Was sure he won't have a chance considering his PvZ, Reynor's nerves were in action? You're very evil Trap straight up outplayed a somewhat cocky reynor. Basically a confident young thundercat didn't seem to take a disciplined korean veteran seriously and it cost him badly | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Also since when did online tournaments count | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote: Rogue won 3 in the same timespan. And he won 2 in a row. Maru won 4 Code S titles in a row. Serral not playing in the Code S gets other people in disadvantage because they play and that's lowering their ratio. Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On July 20 2020 03:35 greenturtle23 wrote: I thought it would be 4-0 so 4-2 exceeded my expectations. 4-0 would have been better as 4 terrible games is better than 6 terrible games. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote: Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. Check Serral's page and check how he was present at Blizzcon 2017(Rogue), IEM 2018(Rogue), IEM 2020(Rogue) and stop lying. I skipped the competition before 2017 but FFS you need to play seriously to get to the new Blizzcon and he was there. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote: Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon. Also since when did online tournaments count Of course we can't! The true joke is thinking casters are paid to hype non korean players. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote: Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon. Also since when did online tournaments count The premiere thing on LP definitely doesn't make much sense. HSC 19 was just as hard HSC 18 for example. 19 just had less money. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:10 Fango wrote: Can we at least all agree that liquipedia's placements of tournaments as premier/non-premier is a bit of a joke? I don't think anyone on the planet would honestly place WCS events or bloody Cross-finals in the same box as Code S or Blizzcon. Also since when did online tournaments count There's no way to split it into boxes and make everyone happy, so I think it's not that bad. The problem is with the people who care way too much about tournament categorization. On July 20 2020 04:13 Musicus wrote: The premiere thing on LP definitely doesn't make much sense. HSC 19 was just as hard HSC 18 for example. 19 just had less money. So what? Money matters for prestige. If you're just looking at level of play some mostly unstreamed qualifiers for IEM or WESG are just as hard as HSC. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On July 20 2020 04:11 Xain0n wrote: Rogue won one in the same timespan, Katowice 2020. What timespam are you talking aobut? Because OP gave 2 years from now as timespam | ||
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