Stay At HomeStory Cup #2 by TaKeTV is a $5,000, 32 player event which will be held on June 11th, 12th and 13th. Three qualifiers qualified 12 players that are joined by 20 invited participants.
Group Stage 1
8 groups with 4 players each, played in Dual Tournament Format. Top 2 of each group advance to the second Group Stage.All matches are Bo3.
Group A (Thursday, Jun 11 10:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) - Stream: TaKeTV)
Group H will be played without stream at the same time as Groups A and B. Replays will be collected by an admin and made spoiler free. It is either added to the B-Stream as their 4th broadcasted group or to the Main-Stream as their 5th broadcasted group.
Group Stage 2
4 groups with 4 players each, played in Dual Tournament Format. Top 2 of each group advance to the Playoffs. All matches are Bo5.
Double-elimination bracket of 8 players. All matches are Bo5, except for the finals which is Bo7. First matches start at Saturday, Jun 13 10:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Playoffs bracket on Liquipedia
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As always you can find full information about the event as well as results at Liquipedia:
On June 11 2020 11:11 Nakajin wrote: For some reason I thought this started like a month from now, great news to find out! Someone think Huricane can pull out the upset again?
On June 11 2020 11:11 Nakajin wrote: For some reason I thought this started like a month from now, great news to find out! Someone think Huricane can pull out the upset again?
Neeb and Bly in the same group Is it just me or do they Play each other quote often in tournaments? Allways amazing games between them, as (afaik) they are also practise partners
On June 11 2020 19:54 mierin wrote: Maybe it's just rose colored glasses, but I miss watching a Serral game and feeling like he's absolutely unstoppable.
Yeah, I know what you mean about the unstoppable part. I'm sure he will play better as the tournament go on, but for the past few tournaments it feels less and less surprising to see him drop games/matches against players who are usually not favoured against him. His vulnerability to weird shit is more apparent than before.
On June 11 2020 20:22 SpaceBoar wrote: um, did Hellraiser suddenly become a world class player or was Zerg nerfed to oblivion? :/ Didn't watch the games, just asking...
Zerg nerfs, hellraiser went stargate (queen range nerfed) and then held a serral push efficiently with the super shield battery
Hellraiser played horribly too - he honestly shouldve won g3 to win the series
On June 11 2020 20:52 darklycid wrote: No Matter the patch astrea improved really much recently (but pure Training in Korea gotta pay Off somehow eh :D)
I knew he was going to ascend when he was beating korean zergs once in a while in the lategame back in 2019. Wanted him in nation wars over mcanning lol
On June 11 2020 20:50 Nebuchad wrote: Out on a limb but I think Astrea beats Serral if he wins this game.
Give Serral some korean fodder. Foreigners seem to be harder for him at the moment
Just saying this cause Astrea's deep runs have been off of PvZ lately and that was on last patch, he seems to have some things figured out. And with Serral dropping a map to Hellraiser it seems like a decent gamble to take.
I think Astreas build on the last game was pretty clever. If he had had the patience, i think he could have won. That spot was really difficult fo a zerg to fight against blink-stalkers.
We'll be doing group F matches A+B same time into winners/losers and decider. Group E will be doing matches A+B same time as well as winners / losers same time to not have Solar play WAY TOO LATE. I already think its late but ... really not a lot we can do unfortunately.
On June 12 2020 01:42 OneTaKe wrote: We'll be doing group F matches A+B same time into winners/losers and decider. Group E will be doing matches A+B same time as well as winners / losers same time to not have Solar play WAY TOO LATE. I already think its late but ... really not a lot we can do unfortunately.
It's always nice to see tournament organisers think about what's best for their players
The combination of Bly leaving games late and Neeb refusing to attack until he feels 100% comfortable is the reason why their games last significantly longer than they should. The average game length should be something like 6 minutes, really
On June 12 2020 06:26 kottbullar wrote: I almost feel Clem should throw this game considering the group he',ll end up in if he wins.
he should not , but showtime should through now his game so that he avoids soo/heromarine
i dont like it when the tournament structure is in a way that you would benefit from intential losing
Problem is if showtime loses this his tournament life will be on the line with a match against soul most likely who he just beat 2-1 in a close series. He wont risk that, but yeah. Would be nice if theey waited for the matches to end
On June 12 2020 06:51 sudete wrote: It appears as though no amount of shield battery tinkering can fix the hot mess that is pvp
I mean it was meant to stop proxy robo's and a lot of tosses seem to be afraid to do those early dedicated pushes. This was a good game for pvp standards, maybe you just dont like the matchup..
On June 12 2020 08:10 sudete wrote: Widow whines actually losing? Turns out permanently cloaked units beat almost-always-cloaked units when both sides have shitty detection
Doesnt help 8+ detonations only killed 20ish probes. Always laugh when people here say a single widow drop can end games. Barely ever happens, although neeb was ofc ahead quite a bit after that dt drop
Seems like Serral is always going up again Reynor in tournaments.
I wonder how this series will play out. Last time they met was after an interview where Serral said he had figured out how Reynor thinks and then was reverse swept.
On June 12 2020 08:10 sudete wrote: Widow whines actually losing? Turns out permanently cloaked units beat almost-always-cloaked units when both sides have shitty detection
Doesnt help 8+ detonations only killed 20ish probes. Always laugh when people here say a single widow drop can end games. Barely ever happens, although neeb was ofc ahead quite a bit after that dt drop
Yeah, honestly it doesn't happen as much as people say it does but people really remember the high profile ones (like Trap recently)
On June 12 2020 08:19 Snijjer wrote: Seems like Serral is always going up again Reynor in tournaments.
I wonder how this series will play out. Last time they met was after an interview where Serral said he had figured out how Reynor thinks and then was reverse swept.
Maybe he was a bit overconfident going in?
they seem to be destined to play each other as it was rnd draw (with the restrictions that 2 first and 2 second places from GS1 were in each group and that player who played in the same GS1 group can’t be in the same GS2 group)
On June 12 2020 08:10 sudete wrote: Widow whines actually losing? Turns out permanently cloaked units beat almost-always-cloaked units when both sides have shitty detection
Doesnt help 8+ detonations only killed 20ish probes. Always laugh when people here say a single widow drop can end games. Barely ever happens, although neeb was ofc ahead quite a bit after that dt drop
Yeah, honestly it doesn't happen as much as people say it does but people really remember the high profile ones (like Trap recently)
It's because of how frustrating it is playing against widowmines. Add that to the fact that they have the potential, even if it's rare, to do game ending then they become a focus for utter hate. It's kinda like disruptors for non-protoss.
On June 12 2020 21:24 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Watching Showtime vs Heromarine with mines being cloaked directly off reactor in these early and mid games is exactly as dumb as I remember it.
As my mid game interest is near from the void, i couldn t imagine that being more empty... The game really starts after max workers in LoTV and it s now a bit more disturbed by WM
On June 12 2020 22:22 SharkStarcraft wrote: Widow mine automatic invisibility off armory seems stupidly strong imo. With ravens in the army it becomes a menace for Protoss to deal with.
Eh, toss have observers out anyway unless the armory is stupid early. The biggest game changer this patch looks like its the super battery which is super handy in all matchups. Great patch for toss
Neeb vs Inno on Eternal Empire is the kind of game where I'm afraid I'm going to have to say "It looked really good until the point where it didn't" at every single second.
On June 12 2020 23:25 Nebuchad wrote: Neeb vs Inno on Eternal Empire is the kind of game where I'm afraid I'm going to have to say "It looked really good until the point where it didn't" at every single second.
Well you didn't. Very odd decision by Inno to run in to Neeb's main there. He just made sure he couldn't escape from that deathball he couldn't fight.
Alright that's funny from Inno. Knows Neeb is going 4-gate blink and instead of just sitting at home and being on the receiving end he sends half his army to kill Neeb faster than Neeb can kill him.
On June 12 2020 23:48 Elentos wrote: Alright that's funny from Inno. Knows Neeb is going 4-gate blink and instead of just sitting at home and being on the receiving end he sends half his army to kill Neeb faster than Neeb can kill him.
But if Neeb recalls all his stalkers right away doesn't he just kill the army and win? It was only one tank and some marines without stim. He didn't have to go for the pseudo-basetrade that cost him so many stalkers and probes.
On June 12 2020 23:48 Elentos wrote: Alright that's funny from Inno. Knows Neeb is going 4-gate blink and instead of just sitting at home and being on the receiving end he sends half his army to kill Neeb faster than Neeb can kill him.
But if Neeb recalls all his stalkers right away doesn't he just kill the army and win? It was only one tank and some marines without stim. He didn't have to go for the pseudo-basetrade that cost him so many stalkers and probes.
If Neeb does that they trade some units and I think that's ultimately better for Inno cause 4-gate blink is pretty committed to doing something on the Terran's side of the map. By the time he was back across Inno wouldn't have to be too scared of the stalkers anymore. Although on the other hand, if Neeb recalls right away at least he isn't immediately dead.
Maybe it's just me, but multiple breaks within a single Bo5 seems a bit....excessive. And it's not like these are semifinals or something, there's what, 20 series to play today?
On June 13 2020 00:15 BerserkSword wrote: why did neeb leave lol
He couldn't stop the army in his main, and his own army was just zealots on the other side of the map. No way he can win the basetrade. I think the supplies were misleadingly close.
On June 13 2020 00:15 BerserkSword wrote: why did neeb leave lol
He couldn't stop the army in his main, and his own army was just zealots on the other side of the map. No way he can win the basetrade.
But he had inno's production on lockdown with the zealots, and enough economy to squeeze out more production from his gateways (presumably from the warp prism at the other side of the map)
On June 13 2020 00:15 BerserkSword wrote: why did neeb leave lol
He couldn't stop the army in his main, and his own army was just zealots on the other side of the map. No way he can win the basetrade.
But he had inno's production on lockdown with the zealots, and enough economy to squeeze out more production from his gateways (presumably from the warp prism at the other side of the map)
Inno's production flies, and zealots don't shoot up. Inno also had 30 more army supply, and it was better army too.
On June 13 2020 00:15 BerserkSword wrote: why did neeb leave lol
He couldn't stop the army in his main, and his own army was just zealots on the other side of the map. No way he can win the basetrade.
But he had inno's production on lockdown with the zealots, and enough economy to squeeze out more production from his gateways (presumably from the warp prism at the other side of the map)
His economy was about to go down to 1-base mining and without a dark shrine he can't really warp in anything that deals with ghost/bio with the money he had.
On June 13 2020 00:20 sneakyfox wrote: Well looks like Inno still doesn't feel like he has good chances in a straight up game. It's always about the all-ins, basetrades, and so on
Which terran 90% of the time plays a straight up game against toss? Dont think there is one, its always a proxy or a 2 base all-in 3/4th time as most of them dont feel comfortable against lategame toss. So nothing too surprising
On June 13 2020 00:22 BerserkSword wrote: he couldve recalled zealots
zealots + colossus + cannon could give some hope
slim chance but still a chance
idk
There was no colossus left alive anymore though and they take pretty long to make
Wardiii just showed on his stream neeb couldnt win, a colossi was about to pop and neeb had another warp in. But on the field when neeb gg'd it was 13 zealots, against 5 ghosts, like 8 marauders and 10ish marines togetber with multiple medivacs. That colossi would of popped on the army so without that no way zealots win that.
On June 13 2020 00:20 sneakyfox wrote: Well looks like Inno still doesn't feel like he has good chances in a straight up game. It's always about the all-ins, basetrades, and so on
Which terran 90% of the time plays a straight up game against toss? Dont think there is one, its always a proxy or a 2 base all-in 3/4th time as most of them dont feel comfortable against lategame toss. So nothing too surprising
It's a new patch and protoss just got very got defense option with battery overcharge, plus Terran got mine upgrade, so it's interesting to see if Inno felt like his chances using other strategies would have improved.
On June 13 2020 01:54 tantalus wrote: Anyone got thoughts on the Battery Overcharge for the shield battery now that we've seen it a couple times?
I thought it would mainly stop proxy 1 bases in tvp, but it just single handedly stopped gabes and uthermals dedicated 2 base pushes. Not a fan, just forces boring macro games atm
On June 13 2020 01:54 tantalus wrote: Anyone got thoughts on the Battery Overcharge for the shield battery now that we've seen it a couple times?
I thought it would mainly stop proxy 1 bases in tvp, but it just single handedly stopped gabes and uthermals dedicated 2 base pushes. Not a fan, just forces boring macro games atm
I like it personally, tvp pushes will need to change around be it the builds or the micro of it, but I think it has a lot of potential.
Thought the battery would save neeb there for a sec. Those 1 base pushes are really a lot worse. 5 marines and a cyclone just cant kill anything in range haha. If it gets toned down they should just fix the duration a bit imo, oh well. Good series by uThermal in the end
On June 13 2020 01:54 tantalus wrote: Anyone got thoughts on the Battery Overcharge for the shield battery now that we've seen it a couple times?
I thought it would mainly stop proxy 1 bases in tvp, but it just single handedly stopped gabes and uthermals dedicated 2 base pushes. Not a fan, just forces boring macro games atm
I like it personally, tvp pushes will need to change around be it the builds or the micro of it, but I think it has a lot of potential.
I think it's very limiting in TvP personally. It makes many builds much worse (and proxy marines or proxy marauders basically can't win against the battery unless the Protoss really messes up), it also really nerfs drop play (except widow mine drops). Terrans will probably have to play more honorable (or even more clown-like) once the patch is more figured out, which will imo end up favoring Protoss.
All this mech compositional stuff makes TvT really complex. But of course there's the other side of the matchup which is when a bunch of reapers and hellions run across the map and just kill the opponent.
On June 13 2020 05:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Interesting to hear how Lambo feels about the airspace on Deathaura. This map does feel a bit like a fixed version of Disco Bloodbath so far.
I think it was easier to fit production in the main on Disco as Terran. It's real shit against Protoss honestly in a meta where every Masters Protoss goes 4-gate blink in PvT.
On June 13 2020 06:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not exactly the macro games we were promised. Drogo benefiting from shield overcharge convincing Zest to play macro.
On June 13 2020 06:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not exactly the macro games we were promised. Drogo benefiting from shield overcharge convincing Zest to play macro.
To play macro sort of poorly
It's similar to how the ultra buff was a net nerf for some zerg players who got deceived into playing macro.
edit: now that's the insane megabattery holds we were expecting.
On June 13 2020 06:44 aringadingding wrote: Innovation, clem and serral cant lose ofc, but not sure about solar vs uthermal. Solar is better. But terran is terran now.
The patch should not have big enough changes to not let the better player win. Broken strategies need some time to emerge and counters are discovered too.
On June 13 2020 06:44 aringadingding wrote: Innovation, clem and serral cant lose ofc, but not sure about solar vs uthermal. Solar is better. But terran is terran now.
Where is the clown emoij when I need one
yes, i must be crazy with that prediction... who would think innovation can win against Showtime and serral against stats? I must be crazy! bring out the clown emoji!
On June 13 2020 06:44 aringadingding wrote: Innovation, clem and serral cant lose ofc, but not sure about solar vs uthermal. Solar is better. But terran is terran now.
Where is the clown emoij when I need one
yes, i must be crazy with that prediction... who would think innovation can win against Showtime and serral against stats? I must be crazy! bring out the clown emoji!
There might be a difference between saying that Clem can win against Zest and saying that Clem can't lose to Zest.
On June 13 2020 06:44 aringadingding wrote: Innovation, clem and serral cant lose ofc, but not sure about solar vs uthermal. Solar is better. But terran is terran now.
Where is the clown emoij when I need one
yes, i must be crazy with that prediction... who would think innovation can win against Showtime and serral against stats? I must be crazy! bring out the clown emoji!
There might be a difference between saying that Clem can win against Zest and saying that Clem can't lose to Zest.
I can see Clem winning that. Whoever ends up winning I hope Zest plays his most ridiculously clownish PvT
On June 13 2020 09:46 kottbullar wrote: Serral gets a hard braacket for once. Hope he can do it.
lol. yeah, the blizzcon brackets are known to be easy
Well he only won one Blizzcon and yeah his bracket was pretty hard. sOs, Zest, Dark, Rogue, Stats is obviously a ridiculously impressive group of players to go through. I still think he was lucky not to play TY though since had had shown some relative weakness in TvZ before and after that blizzcon. If the brackets were done the same as 2017 he would have played TY in the ro8. And besides that blizzcon and 1 of the homestory cups he won Serral has always had pretty good bracket luck.
On June 13 2020 19:25 Elentos wrote: Well you know I want Showtime to fight back and give us a good series but I have no sympathy for colossus drop openers.
On June 13 2020 21:00 darklycid wrote: Rly feels Like max vs Max a protoss Army is weaker than a terran one.
Depends on the army. Zest was maxed out but had no storm and only 1 disruptor. Yeah he had 3 colossi but he lost basically all their health before they started fighting. And because he's Zest a 3rd of his army was blink DTs that jumped into a scan.
On June 13 2020 21:00 darklycid wrote: Rly feels Like max vs Max a protoss Army is weaker than a terran one.
Depends on the army. Zest was maxed out but had no storm and only 1 disruptor. Yeah he had 3 colossi but he lost basically all their health before they started fighting. And because he's Zest a 3rd of his army was blink DTs that jumped into a scan.
Neither Stats nor Zest played a good series
Mmhm Just storm gets pretty Well negated by new Ghosts, that's why you See disruptors they poke away some terran supply so that your army can Clean Out the Rest.
On June 13 2020 21:00 darklycid wrote: Rly feels Like max vs Max a protoss Army is weaker than a terran one.
Depends on the army. Zest was maxed out but had no storm and only 1 disruptor. Yeah he had 3 colossi but he lost basically all their health before they started fighting. And because he's Zest a 3rd of his army was blink DTs that jumped into a scan.
Neither Stats nor Zest played a good series
Also have to give the other side credit here. Clem is looking mighty good in TvZ and TvP these days. He is very good at microing fights as well as harassing with auto turrets/ mine drops at the same time. I was also impressed by how he handled the basetrade scenario against Zest in G2. He stayed very calm under pressure.
On June 13 2020 21:00 darklycid wrote: Rly feels Like max vs Max a protoss Army is weaker than a terran one.
Don't let the terran players hear you!
I think most Terran players would 100% agree if the only thing happening is main army vs main army engagement, Bio Ghost Viking handily beats Stalker DT Collosi, especially when the Protoss move commands their army for like 10 seconds and loses their Collosi before the engagement even starts.
On June 13 2020 21:00 darklycid wrote: Rly feels Like max vs Max a protoss Army is weaker than a terran one.
Depends on the army. Zest was maxed out but had no storm and only 1 disruptor. Yeah he had 3 colossi but he lost basically all their health before they started fighting. And because he's Zest a 3rd of his army was blink DTs that jumped into a scan.
Neither Stats nor Zest played a good series
Mmhm Just storm gets pretty Well negated by new Ghosts, that's why you See disruptors they poke away some terran supply so that your army can Clean Out the Rest.
Well having storm is still better than having nothing. Obviously disruptors are better in the current meta and properly used they've done a good job in this tournament. That's why I'm saying it depends on the army. Zest's maxed army was pretty shit for fighting what Clem had (especially under a scan what with all the DTs ). If he had like 6 disruptors Clem is gonna have a hard time with that push. And to boot Zest wasn't paying attention so the colossi he had lost like 80% of their health before a fight and were useless.
I dunno Zest's army seems like one that should have been attacking and not defending.
On June 13 2020 21:40 Elentos wrote: Man I'm not asking much just some splash damage for missile turrets so they actually do something against mutas that exceed a number of 12
On June 13 2020 06:44 aringadingding wrote: Innovation, clem and serral cant lose ofc, but not sure about solar vs uthermal. Solar is better. But terran is terran now.
Where is the clown emoij when I need one
well, would you look at that... ^^ My prediction was spot on, how strange.
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
On June 13 2020 22:22 Calliope wrote: Inno has to be number 1 when it comes to consistency though. Has he ever not been a top contender?
The better part of 2014, all of 2016, all of 2018 and the better part of 2019
2014 is BL infestor galore, right? And 2019 (and 18?) zerg years too. If not for being held back by zerg from actually winning he is pretty much always at the top, though.
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
On June 13 2020 22:12 sneakyfox wrote: Well Serral looks pretty much like his old self. Not always the cleanest games but it's always enough. That last game was very good.
If he does run into Inno or Stats again in the finals it's going to be almost morning in Korea so it's hard to see what could stop him now.
On June 13 2020 22:12 sneakyfox wrote: Well Serral looks pretty much like his old self. Not always the cleanest games but it's always enough. That last game was very good.
If he does run into Inno or Stats again in the finals it's going to be almost morning in Korea so it's hard to see what could stop him now.
On June 13 2020 22:07 parksonsc wrote: Inno just can't beat Serral, no matter which patch is it.
Except when he did beat him in the WESG grand finals.
On June 13 2020 22:22 Calliope wrote: Inno has to be number 1 when it comes to consistency though. Has he ever not been a top contender?
The better part of 2014, all of 2016, all of 2018 and the better part of 2019
2014 is BL infestor galore, right? And 2019 (and 18?) zerg years too. If not for being held back by zerg from actually winning he is pretty much always at the top, though.
Well, for starters there was no BL infestor in 2014...
Hard-fought game for Clem vs. Solar Game 1. I would like to see more simulataneous Medivac-drop plays in the main or the natural. Those were the days to keep the Zerg at their heels.
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
I mean it ends on an "e", totally justified imo
There was a time when I used to be good at French. Now is not that time.
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
I mean it ends on an "e", totally justified imo
There was a time when I used to be good at French. Now is not that time.
yeah, sucks how a 2nd language goes away when you don't use it. My French certainly isn't great either anymore.
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
I mean it ends on an "e", totally justified imo
Haha maybe, that said if english speakers begin to spend their time correcting my mistake, it's never gonna end.
On June 13 2020 22:12 sneakyfox wrote: Well Serral looks pretty much like his old self. Not always the cleanest games but it's always enough. That last game was very good.
If he does run into Inno or Stats again in the finals it's going to be almost morning in Korea so it's hard to see what could stop him now.
On June 13 2020 22:07 parksonsc wrote: Inno just can't beat Serral, no matter which patch is it.
Except when he did beat him in the WESG grand finals.
Clem can stop him.
But can Clem stop Solar?
Rough start but his last offline results make me believe it !
On June 13 2020 21:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Zest just played like a ladder scrub game 1 wow
He always seems to play like that against uthermal.
Not just against uThermal
Actually I feel like Zest doesn't really do well in cross server matches. I was a bit surprised he 3-0'd Reynor because of that.
On June 13 2020 21:27 stilt wrote:
On June 13 2020 21:24 Elentos wrote: Not at all biased cast
You should learn french.
I had 7 years of French in school but I'm not gonna use that to watch O'Gaming
Too bad, you're missing some of the best biaised casting toward T x)
Somewhere in the distance Le Marseillaise begins playing.
La * Marseillaise Sorry, I usually don't correct like a grammar nazi gender mistakes in french because it's really hard for foreigners but I feel obliged with the anthem :p
I mean it ends on an "e", totally justified imo
There was a time when I used to be good at French. Now is not that time.
yeah, sucks how a 2nd language goes away when you don't use it. My French certainly isn't great either anymore.
It really doesn't help when you're studying a third language and your head becomes a mish-mash of the three. I've gone from English to French to Japanese in one sentence before.
On June 13 2020 22:22 Calliope wrote: Inno has to be number 1 when it comes to consistency though. Has he ever not been a top contender?
Most consistent is definitely Dark or PartinG before he took his hiatus.
You're forgetting Stats. He was the definition of consistency for all of LotV until PvZ broke completely in 2019.
Thing with Stats was the even when he was at his peak he would inexplicably bomb out of one or two tournaments. In 2018 for example he went out of IEM at the ro. 36.
I am very surprised to see Clem losing this kind of position (200, 5-6 bases against a zerg on ultra while having a bigger bank), he usually is brillant with an attrition style.
On June 13 2020 23:28 stilt wrote: The new maps seem good for zerg, it should actually compensate the nerf in zvt.
The nerf in zvt in so small, havnt seen early invisible mines having a impact while now maruaders and tanks can tank one more bane shot.. Compared to the much better zerg maps now.. I would say it more than compensates ..
On June 13 2020 23:28 stilt wrote: The new maps seem good for zerg, it should actually compensate the nerf in zvt.
The nerf in zvt in so small, havnt seen early invisible mines having a impact while now maruaders and tanks can tank one more bane shot.. Compared to the much better zerg maps now.. I would say it more than compensates ..
Queen seems like a big problem from a viewer enjoyment perspective. It is the answer to pretty much everything that happens early game, be it hellions, BC, banshees, etc. It feels like ZvTs never kick off until they areon 3-4 bases and a worker count of 70.
On June 13 2020 23:24 Sune___ wrote: I think we shouldn't discount that maybe Clem is not too used to higher ping.
Yeah hes used to playing on US Central which is an advantage for EU players vs Koreans clearly.
I'm assuming EUvsKR today was on US West ever since Apollo released the new rules yesterday? US West is the only fair server for EUvsKR unless the EU player is in Russia.
On June 13 2020 23:28 stilt wrote: The new maps seem good for zerg, it should actually compensate the nerf in zvt.
The nerf in zvt in so small, havnt seen early invisible mines having a impact while now maruaders and tanks can tank one more bane shot.. Compared to the much better zerg maps now.. I would say it more than compensates ..
Queen seems like a big problem from a viewer enjoyment perspective. It is the answer to pretty much everything that happens early game, be it hellions, BC, banshees, etc. It feels like ZvTs never kick off until they areon 3-4 bases and a worker count of 70.
Queens are both a very elegant and clumsy solution. They are versatile, but they funnel the zerg into a specific reactive playstyle vs. terran. Zerg simply has no viable anti air on hatch tech, lings, banes and roaches also can't really defend some all ins on their own. The whole zerg early game is designed around the queen. I don't see a way around that without completely redesigning zerg, which won't happen.
Is there no B stream (Wardi) anymore, all games will be on A stream (Rotti)? Asking because Liquipedia shows some matches being still played at the same time-frame.
We will do the finals format with Best of 5. The player coming through winner brackets has to win best of 5 - the loser has to win best of 5 and best of 3.
On June 14 2020 00:32 OneTaKe wrote: We will do the finals format with Best of 5. The player coming through winner brackets has to win best of 5 - the loser has to win best of 5 and best of 3.
On June 14 2020 00:32 OneTaKe wrote: We will do the finals format with Best of 5. The player coming through winner brackets has to win best of 5 - the loser has to win best of 5 and best of 3.
am I the only one to be really depressed by the prevalence of all-ins in tvp ? Of course I understand why T go for them, but that doesn't make them enjoyable
On June 14 2020 01:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: the grenade to open the wall was nice but I wonder if you go for that kind of build when you know there is a shield battery in the main
On June 14 2020 01:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: the grenade to open the wall was nice but I wonder if you go for that kind of build when you know there is a shield battery in the main
Did he know?
I'm pretty sure he saw it with the reaper early game
On June 14 2020 02:00 OneTaKe wrote: Zest has to forfeit due to connection issues. We tried to give him time with multiple series but he gave up in the end.
Understandable, it's late and issues like that are so frustrating. No way he can play his best anymore and Inno was leading 1-0 already.
On June 14 2020 01:59 sneakyfox wrote: S T R I D E
and
R E L I A B A L L S
one has to wonder how protoss even lose any maps still possessing tools like these
Indeed. Terrans may have transformers that young boys can only dream of and Zerg have mighty bug-spewing asses, but none of that has the artistic beauty of Protoss shenanigans.
On June 14 2020 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is Protoss the new foreigner? Looks good in the early stages of the tournament getting everyone's hopes up before falling short in the later stages.
Yes and zerg is the new Korean, everytime it looks like it's finally the time they are gonna be losing then you open back liquipedia to realize that somehow they're gonna win again.
On June 14 2020 01:59 sneakyfox wrote: S T R I D E
and
R E L I A B A L L S
one has to wonder how protoss even lose any maps still possessing tools like these
Indeed. Terrans may have transformers that young boys can only dream of and Zerg have mighty bug-spewing asses, but none of that has the artistic beauty of Protoss shenanigans.
yeah it's weird but I think ZigguratOfUr is on to something
On June 14 2020 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: can't say I'm a fan of the way Clem deals with purification novas, but hey that was enough. I'll probably skip the mirrors and come back for the tvzs.
TvZs? Plural? Very bold to already now predict that Clem beats Serral in the lower bracket finals!
On June 14 2020 02:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: can't say I'm a fan of the way Clem deals with purification novas, but hey that was enough. I'll probably skip the mirrors and come back for the tvzs.
TvZs? Plural? Very bold to already now predict that Clem beats Serral in the lower bracket finals!
yeah I agree it's not a given, but I have realistic hopes we get INno / Clem - Serral in the finals
On June 14 2020 02:21 -KG- wrote: Wow, a round of 4 with only Z's and T's....shocker!!
Hoping for Inno in this one!
to be fair the protoss players really look bad at the game in comparison to their zerg and terran brethren, slow reactions, bad vision control, mistakes even when not under pressure etc.
No, you really shouldn't. There is absolutely nothing pointing to Zest being "involved" in anything, as the post suggests. Let's not share stuff like that please.
On June 14 2020 02:21 -KG- wrote: Wow, a round of 4 with only Z's and T's....shocker!!
Hoping for Inno in this one!
to be fair the protoss players really look bad at the game in comparison to their zerg and terran brethren, slow reactions, bad vision control, mistakes even when not under pressure etc.
yes, its strange that over that last couple of years toss are suddenly really bad players. Who does Zest think he is? Stats bah! Showtime... a scrub ofc. They and other of the very best toss players surely must suck at this game.
The toss hate is as strong as always. Alive and well.
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
On June 14 2020 02:21 -KG- wrote: Wow, a round of 4 with only Z's and T's....shocker!!
Hoping for Inno in this one!
to be fair the protoss players really look bad at the game in comparison to their zerg and terran brethren, slow reactions, bad vision control, mistakes even when not under pressure etc.
yes, its strange that over that last couple of years toss are suddenly really bad players. Who does Zest think he is? Stats bah! Showtime... a scrub ofc. They and other of the very best toss players surely must suck at this game.
The toss hate is as strong as always. Alive and well.
Toss has been fine for the last few years. Obviously PvZ was terrible and very Zerg favored last year but Protoss ultimately still had a fine year by any measure besides championships. Plenty of final appearances and top 4s/top 8s. The lack of championships is strange but ultimately that comes down to just a couple games whereas making a finals is a much larger sample size and they were doing fine at that. 2018 was the same as well. It's just this year that they've started really underperforming.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
And some people are able to see a pattern of a longer time period. I am sure thats too complex for you.
On June 14 2020 02:37 JJH777 wrote: Toss has been fine for the last few years. Obviously PvZ was terrible and very Zerg favored last year but Protoss ultimately still had a fine year by any measure besides championships. Plenty of final appearances and top 4s/top 8s. The lack of championships is strange but ultimately that comes down to just a couple games whereas making a finals is a much larger sample size and they were doing fine at that. 2018 was the same as well. It's just this year that they've started really underperforming.
Guess it depends how we define Toss being "fine". It's good they get some deep runs now and then so from the viewer perspective they are not absent. But in the end it's about winning championships. We can ask any pro player in any sport if it didn't feel good getting a 2nd or at least coming close...
It just seems like an uphill battle and have for a very long time now.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
Last comment. I know I come across as a whiner, and yes i am whining. But considering the situation during the last couple of years toss has more or less been eliminated from wins in the bigger tourneys. I love sc2, but after have been following sc2 for a long time, and especially toss, i find it sad to have notices that toss players during streams (for a long time) having almost feel deflated... not just a normal whine (which all player express after a loss from time to time), but genuin feeling of knowing it requires luck and wonky strategies to maybe, MAYBE, win. And I dont think that is healthy for sc2. Considering the situation, why would a new toss player give it all and focus everything on sc2 when he (she) statistically will not win anything even though he (she) practise like a beast? I would like sc2 to be in a place when all races feel they have a chance to reach a win now and again.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
true, but the comments are not just related to this specific tourney.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
This. I myself have felt massively deflated as a Protoss fan but we need to give the patch a little time to settle. If there are still issues after that time though I hope that the dev team stop kowtowing to the twitch chat gms and actually make some proper meaningful Protoss buffs which don't just rely on gimmicky ban-aid fixes.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
For sure, but it's hard to be too sanguine about this patch achieving what the previous 5 or so haven't though.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
This. I myself have felt massively deflated as a Protoss fan but we need to give the patch a little time to settle. If there are still issues after that time though I hope that the dev team stop kowtowing to the twitch chat gms and actually make some proper meaningful Protoss buffs which don't just rely on gimmicky ban-aid fixes.
No one knows what a 'gimmick' or a 'band-aid' fix is. At this point it just designate any change that people don't like.
On the highest level I think protoss is really hard because it mostly has relatively slow units and the players all have high apm and multitasking. Would be nice if protoss could find good lategame high apm strategies like offensive stasis field/multi warp prism/dt stride. I think those kind of styles are nicer/have higher skill ceiling than carrier disruptor balls slowly walking around.
On June 14 2020 02:37 JJH777 wrote: Toss has been fine for the last few years. Obviously PvZ was terrible and very Zerg favored last year but Protoss ultimately still had a fine year by any measure besides championships. Plenty of final appearances and top 4s/top 8s. The lack of championships is strange but ultimately that comes down to just a couple games whereas making a finals is a much larger sample size and they were doing fine at that. 2018 was the same as well. It's just this year that they've started really underperforming.
Guess it depends how we define Toss being "fine". It's good they get some deep runs now and then so from the viewer perspective they are not absent. But in the end it's about winning championships. We can ask any pro player in any sport if it didn't feel good getting a 2nd or at least coming close...
It just seems like an uphill battle and have for a very long time now.
It's not really "now and then". In the last few years Protoss has been in the finals of 5 out of the 7 GSLs, every IEM, all super tournaments besides the most recent one, a blizzcon and GSL vs the World. Considering how few premier tournaments there are nowadays that is actually a lot for that period. They also consistently have great ro8 representation. For whatever reason they just can't close out events regularly. If you really want to see a race that was statistically bad look at Terrans ro8 representation for 2018 and 2019.
Most pro players would agree that judging balance on the final match rather than the overall tournament representation is silly.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
For sure, but it's hard to be too sanguine about this patch achieving what the previous 5 or so haven't though.
How many times has Protoss actually been buffed without the buff in question getting reverted over the last few years? The last year-end patch nerfed Zerg more than buffing Protoss. We had robo buffs getting reverted, stalker buffs getting reverted and I'm sure there's more. Feel like Protoss players have been left to fend for their own for a long time and they've come up with a surprising variety of stuff to win with all things considered. Now that Blizzard actually seems willing to help them maybe they can be saved yet.
[QUOTE]On June 14 2020 03:03 Z3nith wrote: [QUOTE]On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote: [QUOTE]On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: [QUOTE]On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote: [QUOTE]On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote: [QUOTE]On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.[/QUOTE]
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game[/QUOTE]
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.[/QUOTE] And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.[/QUOTE]
do you actually fear toss might get a buff, because of twitch comments :D ? Unfortunately toss is in a position that it is the race with strong (expensive) units, and hence many people will think that means toss is op... maybe poeple doesnt consider anything else. The whine if toss might seem strong during "normal" games, but end up with the (normal) terran whine and cries as well as Z whine ... so i guess you dont have to worry about that. What i fear is that toss yet again is forced into a position to make insane strategies, that are essentially super risky, but look strong when they succeed and after that people think toss is op again after winning those games. (even though they will not win any bigger tourney in the long run)
But sure, hopefully the patch might settle down into something good.
The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote: This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
This. I myself have felt massively deflated as a Protoss fan but we need to give the patch a little time to settle. If there are still issues after that time though I hope that the dev team stop kowtowing to the twitch chat gms and actually make some proper meaningful Protoss buffs which don't just rely on gimmicky ban-aid fixes.
No one knows what a 'gimmick' or a 'band-aid' fix is. At this point it just designate any change that people don't like.
Warpgate brings many problems to the game. That's why protoss was/is balanced around gimmicks like MSC/shield batteries etc. I would rather have warpgate removed and buffed Gate units
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
Colossus headbutt ability
I can get behind that. Colossus headbutting Vikings till they go away would be a neat mechanic.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
Colossus headbutt ability
I can get behind that. Colossus headbutting Vikings till they go away would be a neat mechanic.
Speed prism harass with colossi headbutting overlords until Zerg is supply blocked at 98/0
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
Colossus headbutt ability
I can get behind that. Colossus headbutting Vikings till they go away would be a neat mechanic.
Speed prism harass with colossi headbutting overlords until Zerg is supply blocked at 98/0
If that's not the best Starcraft meta then I don't know what is.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.
Yeah it's tough. There's some stuff you can do like nerf banelings further vs armored, or buff archons but it's all risky.
You could do out of the box stuff like bringing back envision so that Protoss can clear creep more easily I guess.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.
Yeah it's tough. There's some stuff you can do like nerf banelings further vs armored, or buff archons but it's all risky.
I would have liked to see banelings to not get attack bonuses like +light against shields so having shields is basically like rolling into armored units.
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote: The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.
Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.
As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.
Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.
Then what would you suggest?
I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.
Yeah it's tough. There's some stuff you can do like nerf banelings further vs armored, or buff archons but it's all risky.
I would have liked to see banelings to not get attack bonuses like +light against shields so having shields is basically like rolling into armored units.
That's not my favourite solution since it makes the damage modifiers rather complex for banelings which isn't that elegant, but it's direct at least.
Splash damage mode thors are generally awful, but with how Clem is engaging with all the vikings and liberators stacked maybe they would have been better.
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?
something is going on with the chairs ? Is it some kind of joke to make Gabe look even bigger than he is ? Or is Gabe really that big ? haha guess I have my answer
why is it allowed for players to pp ? , shouldnt admins pp if there are any lag problems ? and should the pp reason not be explained to admins ?
i did see pp and the players sayd my cat was on my lap ore the pizza guy was ringing on the door this should not be allowed in a competive tournament with money on the line and yes its not the first time it did happen multiple times in this tournament i am curious
is any player allowed to pp without reason as often he wishes ?
On June 14 2020 04:20 tilhorizon wrote: why is it allowed for players to pp ? , shouldnt admins pp if there are any lag problems ? and should the pp reason not be explained to admins ?
i did see pp and the players sayd my cat was on my lap ore the pizza guy was ringing on the door this should not be allowed in a competive tournament with money on the line and yes its not the first time it did happen multiple times in this tournament i am curious
The admins can't know if the players have problems on their end.
On June 14 2020 04:29 Calliope wrote: So it's 4:30 in South Korea and there is even another match before the finals. Serral won.
Every korean knew it was gonna last that long if they made it this far. Or at least they should have known it. Innovation played at even worse hours in the last StayAtHomeStory Cup iirc.
Solar's recent results against INnovation are almost as bad as Clem's so INno has to be pretty happy about this match-up. The finals is quite the opposite.
On June 14 2020 04:36 Elentos wrote: Let's just insert a quick powernapping break before the finals. 45 minutes of Big Gabe on game-ending fights and gas timings sounds good, yeah?
Can't they just replace Inno's battery or something? Shouldn't be too bad
On June 14 2020 04:29 Calliope wrote: So it's 4:30 in South Korea and there is even another match before the finals. Serral won.
Pre-emptive timezone excuses have really taken over for jet lag in this age of covid.
Everyone who has played know that fatigue is a factor even in SC2. Excuse or not, it could negatively affect a finals that could potentially have been closer.
On June 14 2020 04:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Solar's recent results against INnovation are almost as bad as Clem's so INno has to be pretty happy about this match-up. The finals is quite the opposite.
On June 14 2020 04:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Solar's recent results against INnovation are almost as bad as Clem's so INno has to be pretty happy about this match-up. The finals is quite the opposite.
Do you think the "recent" was really necessary?
Aligulac informs me that Solar has on occasion been successful against INno though I certainly don't remember that.
On June 14 2020 04:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Solar's recent results against INnovation are almost as bad as Clem's so INno has to be pretty happy about this match-up. The finals is quite the opposite.
Do you think the "recent" was really necessary?
Aligulac informs me that Solar has on occasion been successful against INno though I certainly don't remember that.
I feel like that sums up Solar as a player more than anyone would want to admit.
Really don't get it if Inno also plays bio vs Serral. It's going to be 6 am, after a long day of games, on shitty ping, and it already seemed better with mech in their first series.
On June 14 2020 04:51 sneakyfox wrote: Really don't get it if Inno also plays bio vs Serral. It's going to be 6 am, after a long day of games, on shitty ping, and it already seemed better with mech in their first series.
Plus we all know that mech is just a-move anyway.
Eh i dunno, some certain terran pro's say bio is "braindead" as for them after all these years it just easy to play while mech requires a lot of positioning and more map awareness. So i would say playing bio is the right call especially if he wins this series convincingly he could get in the swing of things
On June 14 2020 04:50 kankaijiang wrote: With all due respect, the organizers should not choose such a long competition span. Now it's almost dawn in South Korea, which is really not good.
its a global tournament of course for somebod its dawn but all players know the timings before the tournament starts if they have timing problems they are not forced to play in other tournament the timing is bad for eu players ore for na players thats just at is is they are professionel players they can change a possible bad day night rythm for a big tournament
its the same with some other sports ore online poker tournaments actual war ore what ever
On June 14 2020 04:51 sneakyfox wrote: Really don't get it if Inno also plays bio vs Serral. It's going to be 6 am, after a long day of games, on shitty ping, and it already seemed better with mech in their first series.
Plus we all know that mech is just a-move anyway.
Eh i dunno, some certain terran pro's say bio is "braindead" as for them after all these years it just easy to play while mech requires a lot of positioning and more map awareness. So i would say playing bio is the right call especially if he wins this series convincingly he could get in the swing of things
Still, when playing fatigued on high ping the precision and speed needed for bio is surely suffering harder than the strategical mind. Inno has also played plenty of mech in his time. So even if bio requires less mind work for an experienced Terran pro, it requires near-flawless execution to beat a top Zerg like Serral, and the penalties are high for every misclick and missed reaction.
On June 14 2020 04:50 kankaijiang wrote: With all due respect, the organizers should not choose such a long competition span. Now it's almost dawn in South Korea, which is really not good.
Players are free to decline. We made clear this will be night-time for Koreans. And as professional player you can sleep until ~6PM if your tournament run starts at 7PM.
On June 14 2020 04:50 kankaijiang wrote: With all due respect, the organizers should not choose such a long competition span. Now it's almost dawn in South Korea, which is really not good.
Players are free to decline. We made clear this will be night-time for Koreans. And as professional player you can sleep until ~6PM if your tournament run starts at 7PM.
Best regards NarutO
Ideally they should have done that a few days in advance, and hopefully some of them have. But it's entirely possible that they have weird schedules anyway and play until 4 AM in general.
On June 14 2020 05:56 sudete wrote: Well, at least we don't have to watch the finals
Really kills the hype for everyone except Serral/ZvZ fans cause Solar winning 5 games against Serral sounds positively preposterous even under "better" conditions.
On June 14 2020 06:02 tilhorizon wrote: so tournaments most positiv surprise is solar most negativ soo
Add Clem to positive, and I guess Cure to negative.
definitely agree for Cure I didn't want to believe it but he has probably been hurt bad by his 0-4 GSL finals
Stuff like that is why I'll never run out of respect for soO dragging himself to 4 GSL finals in a row and then three years later almost doing it again. A first loss is already gonna be crushing. But when there's a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time... to not just give up is intense.
On June 14 2020 06:02 tilhorizon wrote: so tournaments most positiv surprise is solar most negativ soo
Add Clem to positive, and I guess Cure to negative.
definitely agree for Cure I didn't want to believe it but he has probably been hurt bad by his 0-4 GSL finals
Stuff like that is why I'll never run out of respect for soO dragging himself to 4 GSL finals in a row and then two years later almost doing it again. A first loss is already gonna be crushing. But when there's a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time... to not just give up is intense.
definitely. Imagine after all that if he wins the upcoming GSL aka his last tournament before military ? Most legendary storyline ever
On June 14 2020 06:02 tilhorizon wrote: so tournaments most positiv surprise is solar most negativ soo
Add Clem to positive, and I guess Cure to negative.
definitely agree for Cure I didn't want to believe it but he has probably been hurt bad by his 0-4 GSL finals
Stuff like that is why I'll never run out of respect for soO dragging himself to 4 GSL finals in a row and then three years later almost doing it again. A first loss is already gonna be crushing. But when there's a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time... to not just give up is intense.
Absolutely. I think many starcraft fans feel that way -- hence the reaction to soO's triumph at Katowice last year.
On June 14 2020 06:02 tilhorizon wrote: so tournaments most positiv surprise is solar most negativ soo
Add Clem to positive, and I guess Cure to negative.
definitely agree for Cure I didn't want to believe it but he has probably been hurt bad by his 0-4 GSL finals
Stuff like that is why I'll never run out of respect for soO dragging himself to 4 GSL finals in a row and then two years later almost doing it again. A first loss is already gonna be crushing. But when there's a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time... to not just give up is intense.
definitely. Imagine after all that if he wins the upcoming GSL aka his last tournament before military ? Most legendary storyline ever
Headlines the next day: SC2 is so dead than an American player makes it GSL ro32 and soO wins Code S
On June 14 2020 06:24 HolydaKing wrote: Despite not looking good against Stats, I'm really happy to see Showtime performing pretty well once again. He's been in a good shape for a long time.
On this note and also on the note of positive surprises, I think this was the first tournament this year where I felt Neeb was actually looking like himself. He even almost beat INnoVation. A bit of a shame he didn't make it to the playoffs.
On June 14 2020 06:27 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok I went out for a minute, did I miss something hilarious ?
The game started while rotti and take were chitchatting and then when rotti went into the game both players drones and 2 evo chambers were in serrals base.
On June 14 2020 06:27 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok I went out for a minute, did I miss something hilarious ?
The game started while rotti and take were chitchatting and then when rotti went into the game both players drones and 2 evo chambers were in serrals base.
Can't believe he messed that up given that Elazer messed up the exact same wall so recently. And Elazer just misplaced the evo after the hatch cancel whereas it looks like Serral just didn't practice this wall.
On June 14 2020 06:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Can't believe he messed that up given that Elazer messed up the exact same wall so recently. And Elazer just misplaced the evo after the hatch cancel whereas it looks like Serral just didn't practice this wall.
They said Serral didn't remember and just did it wrong
On June 14 2020 06:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Can't believe he messed that up given that Elazer messed up the exact same wall so recently. And Elazer just misplaced the evo after the hatch cancel whereas it looks like Serral just didn't practice this wall.
On June 14 2020 06:32 Elentos wrote: That bane could have killed like 6 lings if he detonated earlier and Solar didn't react very quickly but in the end the bane killed nothing
Now far be it from me to question high end Zerg players, but it sure feels like Solar had all the information faster than Serral and made no good decisions with it
On June 14 2020 07:03 Ej_ wrote: if Solar loses, it's because of the supply block
Yes, of course, nothing to do with Serrals skills ^^
Brilliant out-of-contexting. There was a real chance Solar dies immediately to Serral's first push on the gold because he got supply blocked, that's all Ej was saying.
On June 14 2020 07:03 Ej_ wrote: if Solar loses, it's because of the supply block
Yes, of course, nothing to do with Serrals skills ^^
Solar was supply blocked when the first roach push came and could've barely lost right there and that's what my comment was supposed to be about, don't fucking spin it for whatever idiotic narrative you want to assign to me.
On June 14 2020 07:16 Azhrak wrote: GG Serral. The 5x consecutive HSC champ is a feat I bet no one can dublicate.
It's still 3 times as far as I'm concerned. Online just isn't the same. If there wasn't a casting couch full of drunk pros it wasn't a real HSC.
Stop being a hater.
I mean I agree with him tbf. Its nice they are doing this event in the meantime, but not only is it online, the prizepool is only like 1/4th of what it normally is. The next offline HSC will be #21. Its just called stay at homestorycup mainly because they liked a sc2 fan that suggested that name.
Anyway no hate, insane win from serral, looking forward to the next hsc
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Koreans need money to live now that teams no longer exist. Kind Serral knows it and acts accordingly
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Koreans need money to live now that teams no longer exist. Kind Serral knows it and acts accordingly
Thanks to Take and crew for putting on another great event--sorely needed at times like these. Also a lot of pretty epic games/series this time around.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Koreans need money to live now that teams no longer exist. Kind Serral knows it and acts accordingly
Teams still exist lol
I mean Kespa teams. I don't think Koreans sc2 players earn the same amount they used to during Pro League. Still Serral knows and make them happy
its funny, peopl shitting on toss, and i make comment that some of the comments regarding toss not winning is not related to just this tourney and that its more complex.... i get a warning...
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Nor Katowices. But he wins online events on high ping so he's a bonjwa.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Nor Katowices. But he wins online events on high ping so he's a bonjwa.
LOL. I was wondering when you'd show up. Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long--you're slipping.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Nor Katowices. But he wins online events on high ping so he's a bonjwa.
LOL. I mean you HAVE to be trolling but I needed to point out to everyone else that winning a WCS championship, 2 GSL vs The World’s and all 4 WCS events in 2018 (all offline) as well as half in 2019.. makes what you are saying sound hilarious.
It must be tough for people when their favorite player can't win "just another online tournament", and then they project their disappointment by shitting on Serral. Great tournament all around, can't wait for the next!
I loved the event, so don't get me wrong. Serral deserves the victory, of course. However, I'd like to see a bit of a change of the schedule. Right now, these events feel really damn hard and almost unfair towards the Korean players due to the time zones. I don't know how to best do it, but I'd have an insanely hard time staying focused for 3 nights, while pulling back-to-back all-nighters.
On June 15 2020 02:53 Mallyx wrote: I loved the event, so don't get me wrong. Serral deserves the victory, of course. However, I'd like to see a bit of a change of the schedule. Right now, these events feel really damn hard and almost unfair towards the Korean players due to the time zones. I don't know how to best do it, but I'd have an insanely hard time staying focused for 3 nights, while pulling back-to-back all-nighters.
As I already mentioned we are making it no secret that this is going to be nighttime for the Koreans. There is no way doing a 3 day event with a show that satisfies our standards that would allow us to have a good time-schedule for everyone.
It was lucky for NA players this time but last time Namshars game startet at 6AM as well which isn't super nice. In my personal opinion, they are professionals and they could try to work for that schedule like a person that does nightshifts would work on theirs.
I thought this event was by and large fantastic. I loved how you got a number of people to participate in the casting and the interviews and also included people that might not have been part of a usual HSC. Not having an onion wasn't an issue, but I think not having a cold beer ready for Rotti at the end of the final day was a bit of a black eye for the production team! :D
I also think it should not be that hard for professionals. It happens so often that i have to change my sleeproutine for business / be ready at a time like this, when i have to get a flight at 4 a clock in the morning and go to a meeting with a customer and travel back in the evening. If you have an event in korea and the other person comes from US its also unfair because of jetlag. But then they have to come a couple of days earlier to adept. On the events are also not optimal conditions (Hi Tod). So of course it can be a reason. But i think they have to deal with it.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Koreans need money to live now that teams no longer exist. Kind Serral knows it and acts accordingly
Teams still exist lol
I mean Kespa teams. I don't think Koreans sc2 players earn the same amount they used to during Pro League. Still Serral knows and make them happy
Some of them do earn as much as during the KeSPA days, thanks to the Chinese teams. Solar said as much earlier this year.
On June 14 2020 07:25 raff100 wrote: Serral is beyond broken. In a game dominated by a single region, a lone man is winning more trophies than all of them combined.
Yea but no Code S
Koreans need money to live now that teams no longer exist. Kind Serral knows it and acts accordingly
Teams still exist lol
I mean Kespa teams. I don't think Koreans sc2 players earn the same amount they used to during Pro League. Still Serral knows and make them happy
Some of them do earn as much as during the KeSPA days, thanks to the Chinese teams. Solar said as much earlier this year.
Good guy Serral saving esports by not dominating Code S
On June 15 2020 14:40 SpecKROELLchen wrote: I also think it should not be that hard for professionals. It happens so often that i have to change my sleeproutine for business / be ready at a time like this, when i have to get a flight at 4 a clock in the morning and go to a meeting with a customer and travel back in the evening. If you have an event in korea and the other person comes from US its also unfair because of jetlag. But then they have to come a couple of days earlier to adept. On the events are also not optimal conditions (Hi Tod). So of course it can be a reason. But i think they have to deal with it.
Well to be fair performing at a 'normal' job is different to competing in a tournament. If you only manage to be at 90% of your capabilities at a meeting chances are no one will notice. But being at 90% competing in a very stressful game that relies on you being hyper focused and fast will definitely make a difference.
Still, as Naruto said, there is not really a choice. It is an event organized in Europe and the majority of SC2 fans these day live in Europe so it will always be held at times optimal for Europeans. They are already trying to ensure the fairest competition possible by playing on NA West and that's the best solution possible imo.
Another win for Serral. I am starting to think this guy is pretty good and isn't a patch zerg. Congrats! Also shoutout to TakeTV for the awesome production and Rotti + friends for the great casts. I love hearing HeroMarine stories.
It isn't possible for me to watch even a majority of the games each cup, but I got hours of entertainment from some of the best esports casters and players in the game.
Thank you, to all the people who do the hard work behind the scenes, the people sitting at desks making hard decisions, the sponsors-donate'ers, the casters, the players and everyone else. Between curfews and quarantine, these events always seem to come when things are rough.
Just finished the vods. Seriously amazing casts and games. One really disappointing thing was that Rotti kept announcing the results of games on the Wardi stream during his games. I really wanted to watch all the games spoiler free and hope it can be possible in the future. I don't mind if he spoils results between games because that can be avoided more easily.
EPT
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