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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
June 13 2020 18:37 GMT
#481
On June 14 2020 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2020 03:30 Elentos wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:22 Z3nith wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:20 Z3nith wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote:
The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.


Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.


As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.


Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.


Then what would you suggest?

I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.


Yeah it's tough. There's some stuff you can do like nerf banelings further vs armored, or buff archons but it's all risky.

I would have liked to see banelings to not get attack bonuses like +light against shields so having shields is basically like rolling into armored units.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 13 2020 18:38 GMT
#482
On June 14 2020 03:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2020 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:30 Elentos wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:22 Z3nith wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:20 Z3nith wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On June 14 2020 03:16 Z3nith wrote:
The observer nerf came about because of Terrans whining that it was frustrating having to chase them around with scans. Personally I want to see the Protoss get the stalker buff that got quickly reverted in I think 2018.


Terran just couldn't beat Protoss with that one and it doesn't help PvZ in a macro game, so yeah no.


As I recall it was actually very effective against Zerglings.


Yeah you could all-in zerg pretty well with that. In a macro game stalkers were still pretty bad.


Then what would you suggest?

I feel like if it turns out in a few weeks that Protoss is still pretty weak it's kinda hard to pinpoint what exactly to do to help Protoss without breaking any match-up. Including PvP since the new patch has actually taken a step to make PvP less clownish.


Yeah it's tough. There's some stuff you can do like nerf banelings further vs armored, or buff archons but it's all risky.

I would have liked to see banelings to not get attack bonuses like +light against shields so having shields is basically like rolling into armored units.


That's not my favourite solution since it makes the damage modifiers rather complex for banelings which isn't that elegant, but it's direct at least.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 13 2020 18:41 GMT
#483
It's always interesting to hear Heromarine talk about how different the Korean and European TvT meta is.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
June 13 2020 18:43 GMT
#484
Clem lost the last 7 maps v Innovation a lot of them were quite recent as well, probably the worst opponent he could face in this entire tournament
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
June 13 2020 18:44 GMT
#485
Inno is making a lot of Transformers today.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 13 2020 18:46 GMT
#486
Splash damage mode thors are generally awful, but with how Clem is engaging with all the vikings and liberators stacked maybe they would have been better.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 13 2020 18:47 GMT
#487
I'm back
Did I miss anything worthwhile ?
Poaktree
Profile Joined January 2017
165 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-13 18:51:33
June 13 2020 18:51 GMT
#488
On June 14 2020 03:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm back
Did I miss anything worthwhile ?

A whole bunch of game deciding fights and then some that didn't matter because the game was already decided.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 13 2020 18:54 GMT
#489
This banter is great
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 13 2020 18:55 GMT
#490
Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
June 13 2020 18:57 GMT
#491
That was the most ambitious 3rd CC I've seen in a while.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 13 2020 18:57 GMT
#492
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?

Le Stride de Shadow
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 13 2020 18:59 GMT
#493
On June 14 2020 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?

Le Stride de Shadow

Le Stride de Shadow de la baguette de Napoléon
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28529 Posts
June 13 2020 18:59 GMT
#494
On June 14 2020 03:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2020 03:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Is there a Frenchman (or anyone but I guess it'd more easy to find for a Frenchman) who can tell me the French name of the Shadow Stride ability ?

Le Stride de Shadow

ah I see, because of the metric system?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-13 19:02:34
June 13 2020 19:02 GMT
#495
something is going on with the chairs ? Is it some kind of joke to make Gabe look even bigger than he is ? Or is Gabe really that big ?
haha guess I have my answer
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
June 13 2020 19:11 GMT
#496
Innovation made a million mistakes in controlling this game so far and it's still just about okay.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
June 13 2020 19:15 GMT
#497
What is this French BM pause
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 13 2020 19:16 GMT
#498
Clem's been pausing so many times this tournament, but this is certainly the most exquisite timing.
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-13 19:16:45
June 13 2020 19:16 GMT
#499
that pause was not cool. Not cool at alll.

Absolute bitchmove
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
June 13 2020 19:17 GMT
#500
On June 14 2020 03:54 Lorning wrote:
This banter is great


I missed it, what'd they say?

Also that pause timing, Inno clearly not happy XD
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