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On June 14 2020 02:25 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:21 -KG- wrote:Wow, a round of 4 with only Z's and T's....shocker!! Hoping for Inno in this one!  to be fair the protoss players really look bad at the game in comparison to their zerg and terran brethren, slow reactions, bad vision control, mistakes even when not under pressure etc.
yes, its strange that over that last couple of years toss are suddenly really bad players. Who does Zest think he is? Stats bah! Showtime... a scrub ofc. They and other of the very best toss players surely must suck at this game.
The toss hate is as strong as always. Alive and well.
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This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
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Rotti really on point here. It feels exactly like a thousand other Serral ZvZs we have seen before.
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On June 14 2020 02:30 aringadingding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:25 M2 wrote:On June 14 2020 02:21 -KG- wrote:Wow, a round of 4 with only Z's and T's....shocker!! Hoping for Inno in this one! to be fair the protoss players really look bad at the game in comparison to their zerg and terran brethren, slow reactions, bad vision control, mistakes even when not under pressure etc. yes, its strange that over that last couple of years toss are suddenly really bad players. Who does Zest think he is? Stats bah! Showtime... a scrub ofc. They and other of the very best toss players surely must suck at this game. The toss hate is as strong as always. Alive and well.
Toss has been fine for the last few years. Obviously PvZ was terrible and very Zerg favored last year but Protoss ultimately still had a fine year by any measure besides championships. Plenty of final appearances and top 4s/top 8s. The lack of championships is strange but ultimately that comes down to just a couple games whereas making a finals is a much larger sample size and they were doing fine at that. 2018 was the same as well. It's just this year that they've started really underperforming.
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On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
And some people are able to see a pattern of a longer time period. I am sure thats too complex for you.
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On June 14 2020 02:37 JJH777 wrote:
Toss has been fine for the last few years. Obviously PvZ was terrible and very Zerg favored last year but Protoss ultimately still had a fine year by any measure besides championships. Plenty of final appearances and top 4s/top 8s. The lack of championships is strange but ultimately that comes down to just a couple games whereas making a finals is a much larger sample size and they were doing fine at that. 2018 was the same as well. It's just this year that they've started really underperforming.
Guess it depends how we define Toss being "fine". It's good they get some deep runs now and then so from the viewer perspective they are not absent. But in the end it's about winning championships. We can ask any pro player in any sport if it didn't feel good getting a 2nd or at least coming close...
It just seems like an uphill battle and have for a very long time now.
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On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine.
I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
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Elentos
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This series seems like an inevitable boring 3-0
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On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass.
Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
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Last comment. I know I come across as a whiner, and yes i am whining. But considering the situation during the last couple of years toss has more or less been eliminated from wins in the bigger tourneys.
I love sc2, but after have been following sc2 for a long time, and especially toss, i find it sad to have notices that toss players during streams (for a long time) having almost feel deflated... not just a normal whine (which all player express after a loss from time to time), but genuin feeling of knowing it requires luck and wonky strategies to maybe, MAYBE, win. And I dont think that is healthy for sc2.
Considering the situation, why would a new toss player give it all and focus everything on sc2 when he (she) statistically will not win anything even though he (she) practise like a beast? I would like sc2 to be in a place when all races feel they have a chance to reach a win now and again.
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That was hilarous, a whole army evaporating in 3 sec
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ZigguratOfUr
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On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game
We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
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Elentos
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On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017.
And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
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On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017. And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
true, but the comments are not just related to this specific tourney.
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Elentos
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I would have still rather seen Zest vs Serral than Solar vs Serral.
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On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017. And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
I expect a lot of whines next GSL
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On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017. And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
This. I myself have felt massively deflated as a Protoss fan but we need to give the patch a little time to settle. If there are still issues after that time though I hope that the dev team stop kowtowing to the twitch chat gms and actually make some proper meaningful Protoss buffs which don't just rely on gimmicky ban-aid fixes.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017. And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something.
For sure, but it's hard to be too sanguine about this patch achieving what the previous 5 or so haven't though.
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Elentos
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Well Solar actually won this one, maybe there is hope for this series yet.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On June 14 2020 03:03 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2020 03:00 Elentos wrote:On June 14 2020 02:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:50 fastr wrote:On June 14 2020 02:45 Z3nith wrote:On June 14 2020 02:33 fastr wrote:
This has been a very promising tournament balance-wise. We got a 5-6-5, 3-3-3, 2-2-2 race distribution in Ro16, Ro8 and Ro6 respectively. No match-up winrate over 54/46.
Yet here come the mouth-breathers complaining about 0 protoss in the Ro4 when one of them literally gave up due to internet issues, and the other one narrowly lost 2-3 against Clem who played an incredible series. Some people will find any excuse to whine. I'm not sure we can take much from balance considering that the patch was only released a day before the tournament. I expect for the next few weeks PvT in particular is going to be rather volatile as the blink stalker tactic isn't going to stick around and Protoss players will adjust to the heavy widowmine harass. Sure, that's why I said promising. Protoss will adjust to the widowmine change and Terran will adapt to the gigachad battery. From the games I've seen, TvP has been better this tournament with less siege tanks allin and more late game We've all heard that one before. And yet Protoss still hasn't won anything worth mentioning since last summer, and has been doing badly since 2017. And yet the patch was released 3 days ago, the map pool is entirely new and I don't see why we can't hold off on the complaints until at least GSL starts up again or something. This. I myself have felt massively deflated as a Protoss fan but we need to give the patch a little time to settle. If there are still issues after that time though I hope that the dev team stop kowtowing to the twitch chat gms and actually make some proper meaningful Protoss buffs which don't just rely on gimmicky ban-aid fixes.
No one knows what a 'gimmick' or a 'band-aid' fix is. At this point it just designate any change that people don't like.
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