EPT[WCS 2019] Global Finals - Group C - Page 28
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seemsgood
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emperorofwild
87 Posts
after this zerg patch maybe only serral | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:39 Xain0n wrote: Elazer could qualify against Rogue in fact  In any of case, Elazer's ZvP was always relatively good, the state of the matchup is known and Trap seems to be in a huge slump right now so I wouldn't be so sure another Protoss will join Classic at BlizzCon. In the last four weeks, Trap went 1-1 against Bunny in his best matchup, PvT; other than that, he is 0-3(0-6 in maps) in PvP and 1-5(1-9) in PvZ. Trust me one of Trap/Neeb qualifies | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:39 Xain0n wrote: Elazer could qualify against Rogue in fact In any of case, Elazer's ZvP was always relatively good, the state of the matchup is known and Trap seems to be in a huge slump right now so I wouldn't be so sure another Protoss will join Classic at BlizzCon. In the last four weeks, Trap went 1-1 against Bunny in his best matchup, PvT; other than that, he is 0-3(0-6 in maps) in PvP and 1-5(1-9) in PvZ. you are a crazy foreign bias thinking Elazer could qualify against Rogue. Elazer barely beat Dark and did you see how Rogue destroyed Dark recently? | ||
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TheWildShooter
80 Posts
and Reynor vs Rogue/Elazer Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Fixed dat for you ;3 | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:59 parksonsc wrote: you are a crazy foreign bias thinking Elazer could qualify against Rogue. Elazer barely beat Dark and did you see how Rogue destroyed Dark recently? Do you think Dark can beat Serral? On October 26 2019 19:24 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking that there must be a historical pattern of a foreigner getting an upset in the first match, only to lose the decider rematch in GSL-style group play. Maybe it's just my memory playing tricks on me, or some recency bias. In the whole history of Sc2? I will have a look and check. If I had to write Elazer's article, I would also underline how underrated he has been(and still is) in 2019. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
I do. ZvZ is still very volatile. I think any of the qualified Zergs can knock out any of the others. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:51 ChaosArcher wrote: Does anyone have the link to the liquipedia page explaining the Ro8 seeding? I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) | ||
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rayl991
Afghanistan80 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:19 Vindicare605 wrote: I do. ZvZ is still very volatile. I think any of the qualified Zergs can knock out any of the others. ZvZ is as volatile as any matchup these days, the better players generally advance; upsets obviously exist but they don't really take place too often. Elazer's chances against Rogue should be more solid than Dark's against Serral; I agree than any Zerg at BlizzCon might beat the others but there are clear favorites. | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:20 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) I'm pretty sure that I have read about this rule in the comments of some WCS article here on TL and it was confirmed from multiple people. I will check if I can find it | ||
Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:35 ChaosArcher wrote: I'm pretty sure that I have read about this rule in the comments of some WCS article here on TL and it was confirmed from multiple people. I will check if I can find it Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It has to be noted koreans prevailed the last four times, and that happened in the last two months and half, so unless Wax was referring to previous expansions, I'd say it's mostly recent bias. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 19:51 ChaosArcher wrote: Does anyone have the link to the liquipedia page explaining the Ro8 seeding? I think it was the two highest ranked first places against the two lowest ranked seond places. Dark and Serral are fixed for the best first places already and right now the lowest second places are soo and maru. So if Trap or Neeb get second tomorrow the bracket does not need to be drawn at all as people from the same group can not meet in the ro8. It would be: Serral vs. Soo Dark vs. Maru on opposite side of the brackets and Reynor vs Trap/Neeb Elazer/Rogue vs Classic Would be a pretty hype bracket ! yeah since its in my userspace i have it:  User:Hjpalpha/wip11btw. the matches themself will be determined tomorrow without drawing (that is because Reynor can’t face Classic and Dark can’t face soO) but the seeding within that bracket (aka does Serral get Seed 1 or Dark and does Reynor get Seed 3 or the Winner of group D) | ||
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RDO
Italy60 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:38 Waxangel wrote: Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. I watched the VOD. Basically the rules were: the first seeds from wcs circuit and korea were drawn, one on top and one at the bottom of the bracket. Then the other two first placed from the groups were drawn for the second and the third series, and then they drew the seconds from the groups to finally decide who plays against who. They did the draw live after the last group, so they will probably do the same thing tomorrow. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:38 Waxangel wrote: Maybe check the twitch stream from the end of the group stage last year? There may have been some explanation on air. i have access to the rules (which stupidly blizz never published) and made an overview regarding the Ro8 (and onwards) bracket rules and what the result of that will be in my liquipedia userspace  btw. i liked it how you called me a wizard in the WCS Fall preview^^ | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:21 RDO wrote: I watched the VOD. Basically the rules were: the first seeds from wcs circuit and korea were drawn, one on top and one at the bottom of the bracket. Then the other two first placed from the groups were drawn for the second and the third series, and then they drew the seconds from the groups to finally decide who plays against who. They did the draw live after the last group, so they will probably do the same thing tomorrow. no, the rules this year are different, they will only draw which who gets seed 1 (serral/dark) and who gets seed 3 (reynor/tbd) its basically the same system as with wcs challenger playoff bracket seeding only that this time they have to determine who gets seed 1&3 (in challenger the seeds for the group firsts were set by wcs points) | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:20 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont believe that s correct. I think there are two rules, one being 1st seed gets a 2nd seen, the other being that you cant meet a group-stage opponent again. And the rest is "random" (And maybe a third rule, that the 2 highest ranked are starting on the opposite side, tho i think that s not actually a rule) Serral vs soO confirmed (either as first or third match in the Ro8) also Classic vs 1st of gr. D (either as second or as fourth match in the Ro8) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:30 hjpalpha wrote: Serral vs soO confirmed (either as first or third match in the Ro8) also Reynor vs 1st of gr. D (either as second or as fourth match in the Ro8) Oh, cool, that makes sense | ||
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