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On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:27 Poaktree wrote:On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote:So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice  What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 
we hit rock bottom.
The threshold now is: what "many are predicting" the ro4 is gonna be.
Here s a counter-argument for that: I predict it isnt gonna be. Wanna bet?
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United States33678 Posts
I'd advise ending this line of discussion before someone deems that it is balance whining irrelevant to the games at hand
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Classic's Chin: A Monument
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:35 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2019 17:27 Poaktree wrote:On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote:So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 we hit rock bottom. The threshold now is: what "many are predicting" the ro4 is gonna be. Here s a counter-argument for that: I predict it isnt gonna be. Wanna bet?
I personally think it will be Maru and 3 zergs unless there will be RO8 Rogue/Trap v Maru. In that case 4 zergs(or Trap & 3)
I don't bet.
Edit> Considering the form of Dark, Rogue and Serral it wouldn't be even surprising, but it won't be nice either
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On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:27 Poaktree wrote:On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote:So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4
Honestly at this point I want Rogue and Elazer to go through tomorrow then we somehow convince Maru and whoever finishes second today to raceswitch. If it truly is the last year of WCS we deserve the armageddon of an all zerg Ro8
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On October 26 2019 17:35 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. You are beating a long dead horse, the issues were known in advance to everyone, Blizzard included, and will be fixed right after this tournament.
lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing!
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:38 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:28 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2019 17:27 Poaktree wrote:On October 26 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote:So both Reynor and HM advanced in winner? Nice What happened in the games for the mods to put this sticker on the thread btw? Balance whining was too op so the mods nerfed it. But can you blame the viewers when they can see this happening and considering the past results and pros saying what they said? I get why they put it, but c'mon, that was about to be expected. There's a reason why many are predicting 4 zergs in the RO4 Honestly at this point I want Rogue and Elazer to go through tomorrow then we somehow convince Maru and whoever finishes second today to raceswitch. If it truly is the last year of WCS we deserve the armageddon of an all zerg Ro8
Oh that would be funny
On October 26 2019 17:39 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:35 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. You are beating a long dead horse, the issues were known in advance to everyone, Blizzard included, and will be fixed right after this tournament. lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing!
Of course it is!
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On October 26 2019 17:39 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:35 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. You are beating a long dead horse, the issues were known in advance to everyone, Blizzard included, and will be fixed right after this tournament. lets fix it after blizzcon that sound amazing!
Blizzard should have seen this coming in advance, releasing a patch too close to BlizzCon might have been worse than leaving things as they are now.
Maybe they could have still made it in time if they reacted right after Code S S3's finals, I am not sure.
What's the point in remarking this now?
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On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck.
It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing.
The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere.
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Looks like we're tied up at the moment.
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On October 26 2019 17:53 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing. The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere.
You know this game can be played in the other way around too and list all the achievements of the players who lost? 
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Netherlands4523 Posts
For me it's pretty clear that reynor, serral, dark are supposed to advance from these groups no matter what balance looks like. soO maybe not so cut and clear, but any claim that showtime and special are a better player than soo is kind of hard to make.
A lot of the maps look like they are good for zerg, but considering both showtime and hero threw their game 5 vs dark and reynor respectively, in a pretty major way, I don't really understand why there's an outrage about zerg strenght bigger than I have ever seen...
Nydus / sh , maps, Nydus look like they're probably too good looking at these games and the last GSL, but these guys are still having to deviler top top performances to clutch out these series , so it's probably not as bad as reading the feedback would have you believe.
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On October 26 2019 17:55 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:53 Parrek wrote:On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing. The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere. You know this game can be played in the other way around too and list all the achievements of the players who lost?
I'm not really listing all their achievements. I'm just saying you need to look at context. With small changes, a few zergs could have been knocked out since they had to clutch out 3-2 series. Imagine if Showtime and Special clutched out? Then Dark or soO knock each other out.
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On October 26 2019 17:58 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 17:55 deacon.frost wrote:On October 26 2019 17:53 Parrek wrote:On October 26 2019 17:26 Charoisaur wrote:On October 26 2019 17:22 Xain0n wrote:On October 26 2019 17:15 Charoisaur wrote:
4th Zerg through And soO was the most surprising. This pre-BlizzCon groupstage still has "WCS" in its name, Reynor advancing was inevitable! none of the results in isolation are surprising - but all of them in combination is worrisome, especially considering Zerg hasn't lost a series yet this tournament. It's not like P and T players all suck. It really isn't though. Everyone but Serral had to win a tight 3-2 series against another race to advance. It's not like they're cruising through with 3-0s or 3-1s. On top of that, two of the four zergs advancing are literally the first seed from both regions and one is favored to win the whole thing. The only super surprising zerg to advance would be Elazer, but even then, he was runner up at GSL vs the World so that's not even entirely out of nowhere. You know this game can be played in the other way around too and list all the achievements of the players who lost? I'm not really listing all their achievements. I'm just saying you need to look at context. With small changes, a few zergs could have been knocked out since they had to clutch out 3-2 series. Imagine if Showtime and Special clutched out? Then Dark or soO knock each other out.
But they didn't, did they?
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On October 26 2019 17:56 Liquid`Ret wrote:
For me it's pretty clear that reynor, serral, dark are supposed to advance from these groups no matter what balance looks like. soO maybe not so cut and clear, but any claim that showtime and special are a better player than soo is kind of hard to make.
A lot of the maps look like they are good for zerg, but considering both showtime and hero threw their game 5 vs dark and reynor respectively, in a pretty major way, I don't really understand why there's an outrage about zerg strenght bigger than I have ever seen...
Nydus / sh , maps, Nydus look like they're probably too good looking at these games and the last GSL, but these guys are still having to deviler top top performances to clutch out these series , so it's probably not as bad as reading the feedback would have you believe.
Basically what I mean, yeah. I think Rogue saying he won due to balance only caught on way too much and the floodgates opened.
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If Heromarine survives this group it will be a sad day for sc2.
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somebdy posted that classic has woken up lmao that was nasty
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