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Pandemona *
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 02:32:05
July 09 2019 18:25 GMT
#1

GSL Season 3


Wednesday, Jul 10 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S

Streams & Casters


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Artosis - Tasteless

Format

  • Group Stage #1 (Round of 32): Dual Tournament format.
    Best-of-three.
  • The 4 players of each group are split into two pairs and play each other.
  • The winners of these matches will then face each other in the Winner’s match.
  • The victor places first in the group and advances to the Round of 16.
  • The losers of the initial matches face each other in the Loser’s match.
  • The loser places fourth in the group, and is eliminated from Code S
  • They may re-qualify through next season's qualifier.
  • The loser of the Winner’s match and the winner of the Loser’s match will face each other in a fifth match.
  • The winner gets second place in the group and advances to the Round of 16.
  • The loser places third in the group, and is eliminated from Code S
  • They may re-qualify through next season's qualifier.

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Group D


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(Z)soO vs (T)Dream
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(P)Zest vs (P)herO


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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
July 09 2019 18:25 GMT
#2
Poll: Who Advances?

Zest & soO (16)
 
42%

soO & herO (12)
 
32%

Dream & soO (4)
 
11%

Zest & herO (3)
 
8%

Dream & Zest (2)
 
5%

herO & Dream (1)
 
3%

38 total votes

Your vote: Who Advances?

(Vote): Dream & Zest
(Vote): soO & herO
(Vote): Zest & soO
(Vote): herO & Dream
(Vote): Dream & soO
(Vote): Zest & herO

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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 09 2019 18:39 GMT
#3
Zest & herO to advance imo.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 09 2019 19:26 GMT
#4
Hardest group. Guessing soO and Zest.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
July 09 2019 21:40 GMT
#5
HC group.

SoO and...
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NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
July 09 2019 22:00 GMT
#6
soO Zest.

herO could upset Zest, hard to imagine Dream but who knows.
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
July 09 2019 23:12 GMT
#7
zest and herO
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 09:26 GMT
#8
im ready for good and hype games do not fuckin disappoint me today
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 09:28 GMT
#9
Voted for soO and herO. Zest didn't get me on his side at HSC. Not sure what to expect from Dream. Maybe if he had more time to warm up, but what if he shows already warmed up? Too many questions.
soO > herO > Zest > Dream is what I am expecting, let's hope soO delivers.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:29 GMT
#10
On July 10 2019 18:26 Aocowns wrote:
im ready for good and hype games do not fuckin disappoint me today

Considering how season 2 went and how season 3 is looking so far, I wouldn't be too hopeful.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 09:31 GMT
#11
On July 10 2019 18:29 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 18:26 Aocowns wrote:
im ready for good and hype games do not fuckin disappoint me today

Considering how season 2 went and how season 3 is looking so far, I wouldn't be too hopeful.

herO is capable of delivering short and hyped games. Let's remember the proxy v proxy against sOs at IEM
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:40 GMT
#12
soO trying to be Dark
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 09:45 GMT
#13
Hi everyone
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 09:46:21
July 10 2019 09:46 GMT
#14
im very into this, soo spending lots of resources on ling upgrades and 2 bane nests when all he makes is roach ravager anyway
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 10 2019 09:49 GMT
#15
Dream has great ideas and a sound grasp on making the right play at the right time, but he just doesn't have the mechanics or execution to stand up to soO.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 09:50:31
July 10 2019 09:50 GMT
#16
I feel like Dream bought enough time that he isn't in such a bad spot right now.
soO doesn't have an amazing bank/drone count, no hive yet, 3/3 on the way for Dream...
E: and now he loses two full medivacs to biles
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 09:50 GMT
#17
skill shot

ouch
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 09:55:14
July 10 2019 09:54 GMT
#18
Soo still hasnt been over 65 drones in a game where he was practically never in a position where he might lose a fight

EDIT: yeahyeah as i say it he makes 10 drones ok dude
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:55 GMT
#19
Dream needs to make more production yo
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 09:55 GMT
#20
is this gonna be an ultra into lose?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:56 GMT
#21
On July 10 2019 18:55 Penev wrote:
is this gonna be an ultra into lose?

Could be, but soO finally droned to 80
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:57 GMT
#22
This should be it, but Dream put up a pretty good fight
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 09:57:35
July 10 2019 09:57 GMT
#23
Tarson holds!

....but it gets worse and worse every time.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 09:57 GMT
#24
that broke him I think, not too bad by Dream though
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 10 2019 09:58 GMT
#25
Good game.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 09:58 GMT
#26
i feel like this game was smart dude with bad execution vs dummy with great execution
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 10:00:07
July 10 2019 09:59 GMT
#27
Dream never had more than 4 racks, he couldn't keep up in production after a fight. soO would shoot up 40 supply after a fight, dream would go up by 10. If your going to go hard MMM you need more than 4 racks on 3 mining bases or position siege tanks better
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 09:59 GMT
#28
Cobalt hype
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
July 10 2019 10:02 GMT
#29
FUSION CORE
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 10:04 GMT
#30
Mechanic hype
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 10:05 GMT
#31
"and its looking like a mech transition"

"GREAT"- tasteless

i like to think that was an ironic great
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 10 2019 10:09 GMT
#32
On July 10 2019 19:05 Aocowns wrote:
"and its looking like a mech transition"

"GREAT"- tasteless

i like to think that was an ironic great

Mech is deinifitely more interesting than hoping the Zerg kills themselves on ghost on cross positions
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:12 GMT
#33
Cobalt hype

FUSION CORE

Mechanic hype


didn't really live up to it unfortunately :/

Still Dream didn't look too bad for a returnee
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:13 GMT
#34
This is an amazing video
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:16 GMT
#35
well if you don't bring your keyboard you can't break it either
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 10 2019 10:16 GMT
#36
Dream seemed good but he looked like a diamond when it comes to dodging biles.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 10:16 GMT
#37
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 10:18 GMT
#38
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:19 GMT
#39
On July 10 2019 19:18 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!


Do you know why he's called the Smiling Assassin?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 10:22 GMT
#40
On July 10 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 19:18 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!


Do you know why he's called the Smiling Assassin?

Have you seen his smile?
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
July 10 2019 10:23 GMT
#41
On July 10 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 19:18 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!


Do you know why he's called the Smiling Assassin?

He smiles and assassinates people.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
July 10 2019 10:23 GMT
#42
Artosis still has the best curse
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:23 GMT
#43
On July 10 2019 19:22 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:18 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!


Do you know why he's called the Smiling Assassin?

Have you seen his smile?

yeah he just smiles a lot and when he's in good shape he really murders
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:24 GMT
#44
On July 10 2019 19:22 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 19:19 Heartland wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:18 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 10 2019 19:16 Durnuu wrote:
Guess I'll cheer for herO since he didn't veto Cobalt

Good choice anyway. Go Smiling Assassin!


Do you know why he's called the Smiling Assassin?

Have you seen his smile?


Exactly.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:25 GMT
#45
This makes me think of the good old days of hellbat drops where both sides in TvT just hammered one another, but the game was even because both sides were losing everything in equal amounts.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:26 GMT
#46
Oh. This is how it ends.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:26 GMT
#47
On July 10 2019 19:25 Heartland wrote:
This makes me think of the good old days of hellbat drops where both sides in TvT just hammered one another, but the game was even because both sides were losing everything in equal amounts.

Not true, Inno lost less
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
July 10 2019 10:27 GMT
#48
in pvp the only thing that matters is who has the rounder glasses
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 10:28:17
July 10 2019 10:27 GMT
#49
For a while I was worried because herO really did not build probes for a long while.

Also herO is very focussed, no smiles yet.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 10:34 GMT
#50
Ping pong time
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 10:36 GMT
#51
herO what a lad.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:37 GMT
#52
herO, the assassin
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 10:37 GMT
#53
On July 10 2019 19:37 Penev wrote:
herO, the assassin

The huge smiles will come back once he wins more again. Maybe if he wins the group.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 10:47 GMT
#54
Time to steal builds
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 10:49 GMT
#55
I expect a cheese fest PvZ now.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 10:51 GMT
#56
herO is there so technical difficulties are inevitable

herO, assassin of electronics
I Protoss winner, could it be?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 10:59 GMT
#57
On July 10 2019 19:47 Heartland wrote:
Time to steal builds

Nothing to steal so far, except his micro.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 11:00 GMT
#58
toss aircraft so often escape with zilch hp
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 10 2019 11:04 GMT
#59
Well this was a sick fight by herO.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
July 10 2019 11:04 GMT
#60
I like how hero attacked three different important tech buildings
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 11:04 GMT
#61
haha what a fail herO.. focus both buildings and dont kill a single one. great idea.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 11:04 GMT
#62
well those were some missed opportunities for herO
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 11:07 GMT
#63
herO was in such a good spot. but then suddenly all his decisions were off.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 11:07 GMT
#64
loved that blink into gg. Such frustration.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 10 2019 11:07 GMT
#65
On July 10 2019 20:07 HolydaKing wrote:
herO was in such a good spot. but then suddenly all his decisions were off.

I've seen that one before.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 11:07 GMT
#66
Mistakes were made
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 10 2019 11:08 GMT
#67
soO looks bored.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 11:18:10
July 10 2019 11:17 GMT
#68
immortals good unit

Edit: woah wtf
Faker is the GOAT!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 11:18 GMT
#69
On July 10 2019 20:17 AzAlexZ wrote:
immortals good unit

only with the blink unit.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 11:18 GMT
#70
5-6 immortals with warp prism and you have just ravagers. yeah GG
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 11:26 GMT
#71
herO, the disgusting assassin
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 11:26 GMT
#72
Yay herO
2/2 liquibets still possible
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 11:26 GMT
#73
GG herO, looked on point in PvZ except for the fails in g1.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 11:26 GMT
#74
fuckin warp prisms man, god theyre good
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 11:26 GMT
#75
herO knows how to play a disgusting game
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 10 2019 11:28 GMT
#76
Warp prism wins yet another series. At least in game 1 it required high level of control. That second game was just "I'm just gonna warp my whole army on your ramp and there's nothing you can do about it". Can't wait for the patch
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 11:32:30
July 10 2019 11:29 GMT
#77
On July 10 2019 20:28 fastr wrote:
Warp prism wins yet another series. At least in game 1 it required high level of control. That second game was just "I'm just gonna warp my whole army on your ramp and there's nothing you can do about it". Can't wait for the patch

So far it's just a thing they're thinking about (and at test realm soon), not a patch yet.

I think Zest is also really good at PvZ. So if he can beat Dream, he could very well advance too.
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 11:32:05
July 10 2019 11:31 GMT
#78
Dream played surprisingly well. Hoping for an upset.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
July 10 2019 11:33 GMT
#79
On July 10 2019 20:28 fastr wrote:
Warp prism wins yet another series. At least in game 1 it required high level of control. That second game was just "I'm just gonna warp my whole army on your ramp and there's nothing you can do about it". Can't wait for the patch


Yeah I'm actually fine with the blink micro from prism, but warping an entire army into the enemy base always irked me about it. It's quite ridiculous.
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
July 10 2019 11:34 GMT
#80
I just realised at this point there is only 25 WCS points difference between herO and Stats, it's gonna be a close race to securing a Blizzcon spot.
GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
July 10 2019 11:42 GMT
#81
Wow tasteless that phrasing. "Balls come over your face"
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 10 2019 11:50 GMT
#82
On July 10 2019 20:34 yht9657 wrote:
I just realised at this point there is only 25 WCS points difference between herO and Stats, it's gonna be a close race to securing a Blizzcon spot.


Both are in at the moment.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 11:50 GMT
#83
channel your inner taeja dream
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 11:55 GMT
#84
That's it for my boy Drim.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 11:55 GMT
#85
poor Dream
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 11:56:16
July 10 2019 11:55 GMT
#86
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well
I Protoss winner, could it be?
GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
July 10 2019 11:57 GMT
#87
that was a legit gold league game out of dream
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 11:57 GMT
#88
Dream did not look amused
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:03 GMT
#89
nice murderface by soO
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:04 GMT
#90
No Cobalt smh
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 12:06 GMT
#91
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

depends if Zest uses some builds which should be added into the Big Book
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:12 GMT
#92
another red soO building
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
July 10 2019 12:12 GMT
#93
herOs all in game seems alot stronger than Zests.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 12:13 GMT
#94
catharsis
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:14 GMT
#95
just noticed the complete lack of upgrades for Zest
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 12:21 GMT
#96
zest straight up winning the game right here
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:21 GMT
#97
#Zestmacro
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:24 GMT
#98
looks suicidal by soO
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 12:25 GMT
#99
soo feels so so bad right now lol
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:27 GMT
#100
maybe soO got too far behind with the early harass but I can't help but feel he didn't play the map very well
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 12:27 GMT
#101
soO learned this decision making from herO on this map!
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:27 GMT
#102
On July 10 2019 21:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:
maybe soO got too far behind with the early harass but I can't help but feel he didn't play the map very well

Well, it's a lategame map but soO and lategame aren't exactly the most iconic duo
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 10 2019 12:27 GMT
#103
Did soO forgot the last 4 years of Starcraft?
Wtf was that
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:27 GMT
#104
holding fire with the lurkers was cute
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:28 GMT
#105
Get BW'd son
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:29 GMT
#106
5 observers lol, nice f2
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:29 GMT
#107
this game is a bit throwy
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:29 GMT
#108
soO giving himself a fair chance tbh
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:30 GMT
#109
This game sure makes it feel like the highest skilled era
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:31 GMT
#110
INCAAA
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 12:31 GMT
#111
On July 10 2019 21:29 Durnuu wrote:
5 observers lol, nice f2

Until you see 3 warp prisms at one place when you placed those 2 at different bases for a harassment you haven't seen a proper f2(Patience BTW, in some Arty and NoRegret episode)
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 12:33:10
July 10 2019 12:32 GMT
#112
that was definitely a game of throws (or at least attempts of), although soO probably died in the early game and only limbed through the rest
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:32 GMT
#113
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 10 2019 12:32 GMT
#114
On July 10 2019 21:30 Durnuu wrote:
This game sure makes it feel like the highest skilled era

The era of who can throw the hardest =D
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:32 GMT
#115
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#116
On July 10 2019 21:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?

I believe so
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#117
On July 10 2019 21:33 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?

I believe so

well I'm very scared as well then
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#118
On July 10 2019 21:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?

yeah, tom cruise '84
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 12:36:22
July 10 2019 12:36 GMT
#119
mistakes are made left and right. They both seem to be under pressure.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:37 GMT
#120
quite a smart build from Zest
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 10 2019 12:39 GMT
#121
this is not ok
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:39 GMT
#122
the phoenix will definitely bamboozle soO but I wonder what Zest intends to do with this

Ok some kind of wobbly all-in
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:40 GMT
#123
halp
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 12:41 GMT
#124
RIP soO
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:41 GMT
#125
ok no that was kind of brilliant actually
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:41 GMT
#126
I'll start:

Protoss, am I right?
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:41 GMT
#127
On July 10 2019 21:41 Penev wrote:
I'll start:

Protoss, am I right?

soO is just bad since his IEM victory. He's lucky it's an automatic blizzcon seed.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:42 GMT
#128
On July 10 2019 21:41 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:41 Penev wrote:
I'll start:

Protoss, am I right?

soO is just bad since his IEM victory. He's lucky it's an automatic blizzcon seed.

I'm just having fun durn
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 12:42:46
July 10 2019 12:42 GMT
#129
RagnaroK > soO?
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
July 10 2019 12:42 GMT
#130
On July 10 2019 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
quite a smart build from Zest

yeah 2base robo into 2sg mass phoenix is fantastic in the current margaery framework, it has been used quite a bit on eu ladder too. z has to show so much respect to immortal all-ins as well as the DT/adept options earlier on, so it's very rare for z to blind a surplus queens or spores against 2base protoss in general
Team Liquid
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:42 GMT
#131
On July 10 2019 21:42 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:41 Durnuu wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:41 Penev wrote:
I'll start:

Protoss, am I right?

soO is just bad since his IEM victory. He's lucky it's an automatic blizzcon seed.

I'm just having fun durn

I felt the need to trashtalk soO a bit
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sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
July 10 2019 12:43 GMT
#132
Jokes or not this is exactly why people hate on protoss.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 12:43 GMT
#133
On July 10 2019 21:33 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?

yeah, tom cruise '84

That's why Zest plays Top Gun!
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 12:45:04
July 10 2019 12:44 GMT
#134
On July 10 2019 21:43 sashkata wrote:
Jokes or not this is exactly why people hate on protoss.

Because they can't accept that they got thoroughly outplayed?
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
July 10 2019 12:44 GMT
#135
On July 10 2019 21:43 sashkata wrote:
Jokes or not this is exactly why people hate on protoss.

Because they don't automatically lose everygame?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 12:47:40
July 10 2019 12:46 GMT
#136
On July 10 2019 21:43 sashkata wrote:
Jokes or not this is exactly why people hate on protoss.

nah, it's mostly the prism "let me construct my army in your base" mechanic

or at least that's the part of the whine I agree with
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:47 GMT
#137
Zest knows soO is terrible at late game so I guess that's a good play in that regard
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:48 GMT
#138
On July 10 2019 21:47 Durnuu wrote:
Zest knows soO is terrible at late game so I guess that's a good play in that regard

Finally, he goes and kills him
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:48 GMT
#139
zerg need air banes

#bringbackscourge
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:48 GMT
#140
hahahahahahaha that flank attempt in the slowing zone
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
July 10 2019 12:48 GMT
#141
Had soO invested in overlord speed and repeatedly attempted to scout what Zest was doing but was denied, then yeah, you can complain about Protoss, but all he did was run a few Zerglings by the front which only tells you if Zest's army has moved out, not what he's building.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 12:49 GMT
#142
qq seems I predicted this correctly. Sad for soO tho.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
July 10 2019 12:49 GMT
#143
**
g
gg
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 10 2019 12:49 GMT
#144
Easy 2/2 liquibets
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:51 GMT
#145
On July 10 2019 21:49 Durnuu wrote:
Easy 2/2 liquibets

just bet Protoss am I right?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
July 10 2019 12:52 GMT
#146
On July 10 2019 21:51 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:49 Durnuu wrote:
Easy 2/2 liquibets

just bet Protoss am I right?

1 step guide to get rich, right here boys.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
July 10 2019 12:52 GMT
#147
soO... ugh. I'm sad about this, actually, and I'm not even a big soO fan.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 10 2019 12:55 GMT
#148
On July 10 2019 21:43 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:33 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:32 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 20:55 Penev wrote:
bracing for the whine in case soO loses as well

I'm scared

last map is the one with the slowing zones ?

yeah, tom cruise '84

That's why Zest plays Top Gun!

but Top Gun is from '86

yeah I looked that up :D
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 10 2019 13:00 GMT
#149
On July 10 2019 21:52 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:51 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:49 Durnuu wrote:
Easy 2/2 liquibets

just bet Protoss am I right?

1 step guide to get rich, right here boys.


You mean a guide on how to win very few tournaments?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 10 2019 13:10 GMT
#150
Zest makes the ro16 for the first time this year
Faker is the GOAT!
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary483 Posts
July 10 2019 13:21 GMT
#151
Another game lost by soO because lack of scouting...
Why so serious?
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 13:36:23
July 10 2019 13:35 GMT
#152
Lol Soo lost due to his Overlords again. How many times has this happened now in the past 3 weeks?

Didn't expect hero to make it. Gg my bets
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
July 10 2019 13:43 GMT
#153
On July 10 2019 22:00 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 21:52 darklycid wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:51 Penev wrote:
On July 10 2019 21:49 Durnuu wrote:
Easy 2/2 liquibets

just bet Protoss am I right?

1 step guide to get rich, right here boys.


You mean a guide on how to win very few tournaments?

The man who bets on toss doesn't need to play and win the tournament
repomaniak
Profile Joined January 2009
Poland324 Posts
July 10 2019 13:43 GMT
#154
GSL Tasteless bionic arm


GSL Artosis Tasteless handsome


GSL Artosis 2002 music


GSL Artosis 2002 music part 2


GSL herO interview


GSL Tasteless computer


GSL Artosis counter to everything lightning beams


GSL Zest interview


seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
July 10 2019 13:44 GMT
#155
I knew it!
Zest and herO to da round 16
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18407 Posts
July 10 2019 14:45 GMT
#156
wth herO won that group? Even at the height of his career I would have been scared of this group o.o
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 10 2019 16:28 GMT
#157
Wtf soo
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 10 2019 16:39 GMT
#158
so many times i see this from late game zerg-- the queens get reassigned to tasks other than injecting and zerg does not add macro hatches and when it is time to either tech switch or mass resupply after a fight, they have like 6 larva. there needs to be a zerg revolution of either resupplying queens in mid game or massive macro hatches. has anyone else noticed this trend??
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 10 2019 16:54 GMT
#159
Yes, I have also often seen that. Especially in ZvZs and larvae count is especially an issue in TvZ when the nukes kill some.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25307 Posts
July 10 2019 17:58 GMT
#160
On July 11 2019 01:39 Alejandrisha wrote:
so many times i see this from late game zerg-- the queens get reassigned to tasks other than injecting and zerg does not add macro hatches and when it is time to either tech switch or mass resupply after a fight, they have like 6 larva. there needs to be a zerg revolution of either resupplying queens in mid game or massive macro hatches. has anyone else noticed this trend??

Yes, not sure how much of a trend it is or if it’s long been the case. They have their inject queens, creep queens but aren’t always great at replacing them or keeping track.

Maybe macro hatches is something we should see more of, not necessarily because they’re better (haven’t done the maths), but keeping track of queens, rebuilding them, assigning them correctly all with everything else you’re doing, maybe macro hatches would be less attention intensive.

Also I think there’s strategic potential. If all your production is rallying from 4-5 base hatches it all arrives at different times, via different routes etc.

If the game is flowing in a certain way and you’re either attacking or defending around a particular area, maybe building macro hatches to reflect that might be worth exploring.

Or build a cluster of 2-3 gradually and pull Queens to it.

These ideas might be total garbage but I’ve legitimately never seen it experimented with much in the entirety of SC2s lifespan.

We’ve all seen games where the Zerg theoretically has enough to break a push but it’s filtering in from 3/4 places and never hits critical mass and they die.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 10 2019 18:21 GMT
#161
On July 10 2019 21:48 Boggyb wrote:
Had soO invested in overlord speed and repeatedly attempted to scout what Zest was doing but was denied, then yeah, you can complain about Protoss, but all he did was run a few Zerglings by the front which only tells you if Zest's army has moved out, not what he's building.

I, too, like investing 100 gas and 100 minerals into an upgrade that's not critically useful and can outright lose you the game vs a DT drop. Versus a person who opens DT drop a lot.

But I'm sure soO could use some coaching!
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 10 2019 19:42 GMT
#162
On July 11 2019 02:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 01:39 Alejandrisha wrote:
so many times i see this from late game zerg-- the queens get reassigned to tasks other than injecting and zerg does not add macro hatches and when it is time to either tech switch or mass resupply after a fight, they have like 6 larva. there needs to be a zerg revolution of either resupplying queens in mid game or massive macro hatches. has anyone else noticed this trend??

Yes, not sure how much of a trend it is or if it’s long been the case. They have their inject queens, creep queens but aren’t always great at replacing them or keeping track.

Maybe macro hatches is something we should see more of, not necessarily because they’re better (haven’t done the maths), but keeping track of queens, rebuilding them, assigning them correctly all with everything else you’re doing, maybe macro hatches would be less attention intensive.

Also I think there’s strategic potential. If all your production is rallying from 4-5 base hatches it all arrives at different times, via different routes etc.

If the game is flowing in a certain way and you’re either attacking or defending around a particular area, maybe building macro hatches to reflect that might be worth exploring.

Or build a cluster of 2-3 gradually and pull Queens to it.

These ideas might be total garbage but I’ve legitimately never seen it experimented with much in the entirety of SC2s lifespan.

We’ve all seen games where the Zerg theoretically has enough to break a push but it’s filtering in from 3/4 places and never hits critical mass and they die.

What I usually do is that I build 4 additional hatcheries in my main, put there 5 queens in total and set the camera key to focus on the middle. This way I can select all the hatch queens, spam the inject and NOT switch the screen. But I am in a wooden league OTOH soO was the biggest macro zerg ever in HotS, when you looked at his games he a-moved his army so many times to do injects, it's a wonder that now it's different...
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25307 Posts
July 10 2019 19:51 GMT
#163
On July 11 2019 04:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 02:58 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 11 2019 01:39 Alejandrisha wrote:
so many times i see this from late game zerg-- the queens get reassigned to tasks other than injecting and zerg does not add macro hatches and when it is time to either tech switch or mass resupply after a fight, they have like 6 larva. there needs to be a zerg revolution of either resupplying queens in mid game or massive macro hatches. has anyone else noticed this trend??

Yes, not sure how much of a trend it is or if it’s long been the case. They have their inject queens, creep queens but aren’t always great at replacing them or keeping track.

Maybe macro hatches is something we should see more of, not necessarily because they’re better (haven’t done the maths), but keeping track of queens, rebuilding them, assigning them correctly all with everything else you’re doing, maybe macro hatches would be less attention intensive.

Also I think there’s strategic potential. If all your production is rallying from 4-5 base hatches it all arrives at different times, via different routes etc.

If the game is flowing in a certain way and you’re either attacking or defending around a particular area, maybe building macro hatches to reflect that might be worth exploring.

Or build a cluster of 2-3 gradually and pull Queens to it.

These ideas might be total garbage but I’ve legitimately never seen it experimented with much in the entirety of SC2s lifespan.

We’ve all seen games where the Zerg theoretically has enough to break a push but it’s filtering in from 3/4 places and never hits critical mass and they die.

What I usually do is that I build 4 additional hatcheries in my main, put there 5 queens in total and set the camera key to focus on the middle. This way I can select all the hatch queens, spam the inject and NOT switch the screen. But I am in a wooden league OTOH soO was the biggest macro zerg ever in HotS, when you looked at his games he a-moved his army so many times to do injects, it's a wonder that now it's different...

A fellow innovator I see! I’ve legit never seen folks try it haha, I experimented with a macro Nexus for chrono and sim city for a while but I must confess it didn’t seem very good.
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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary483 Posts
July 10 2019 20:54 GMT
#164
On July 11 2019 03:21 Ej_ wrote:
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On July 10 2019 21:48 Boggyb wrote:
Had soO invested in overlord speed and repeatedly attempted to scout what Zest was doing but was denied, then yeah, you can complain about Protoss, but all he did was run a few Zerglings by the front which only tells you if Zest's army has moved out, not what he's building.

I, too, like investing 100 gas and 100 minerals into an upgrade that's not critically useful and can outright lose you the game vs a DT drop. Versus a person who opens DT drop a lot.

But I'm sure soO could use some coaching!


He couldn't afford overlord speed, but he could afford a dozen of overlords that where insta killed after hatching from the egg?
Why so serious?
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
July 11 2019 04:16 GMT
#165
On July 11 2019 03:21 Ej_ wrote:
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On July 10 2019 21:48 Boggyb wrote:
Had soO invested in overlord speed and repeatedly attempted to scout what Zest was doing but was denied, then yeah, you can complain about Protoss, but all he did was run a few Zerglings by the front which only tells you if Zest's army has moved out, not what he's building.

I, too, like investing 100 gas and 100 minerals into an upgrade that's not critically useful and can outright lose you the game vs a DT drop. Versus a person who opens DT drop a lot.

But I'm sure soO could use some coaching!

I don't care to go back and look at the timers, but that push from Zest had to be 2-3 minutes later minimum than a DT/Archon drop would have hit. soO knew that Zest didn't have a third (or at least not one below the main. I don't know if he checked the other 3rd location) and he saw that Zest was keeping his army at home and instead of using an overlord to confirm what was going on, he assumed that Zest was going for a super delayed Immortal Sentry Chargelot all in.

soO being lazy says more about Zerg than it does about Protoss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
July 11 2019 07:58 GMT
#166
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-12 21:20:37
July 12 2019 21:19 GMT
#167
On July 11 2019 16:58 Penev wrote:
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.


hahaha

i think the extra macro hatches is the answer. since queens have become the coverall for the zerg defense, you basically don't have injects in the mid-late game. and how many times have you seen a zerg floating 3k mins and 0 gas? adding these hatches would be, as wombat_ni mentioned, less attention-intensive and also a constant source of larva. every zvp when zerg is defending the 2 base immortal push, as in pvt it is called 'the boys are pulled' and all the inject queens are brought to the front lines. zerg might hold here, but has lost a lot of potential larva production.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25307 Posts
July 12 2019 21:53 GMT
#168
On July 13 2019 06:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2019 16:58 Penev wrote:
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.


hahaha

i think the extra macro hatches is the answer. since queens have become the coverall for the zerg defense, you basically don't have injects in the mid-late game. and how many times have you seen a zerg floating 3k mins and 0 gas? adding these hatches would be, as wombat_ni mentioned, less attention-intensive and also a constant source of larva. every zvp when zerg is defending the 2 base immortal push, as in pvt it is called 'the boys are pulled' and all the inject queens are brought to the front lines. zerg might hold here, but has lost a lot of potential larva production.

It’s interesting, I want to see someone try these things out.

As it is I’m terrible so I can’t really switch to Zerg and revolutionise the game with clustered macro hatches or w/e

As a semi-learned theorycrafter it intrigues me a lot though. Especially given I’ve never seen it at any level of play.

It’s rare but a sometimes us pure armchair folks get it right though. I’ve felt for ages that the nydus is crazy potent in lategame and felt it was way under-used. Being able to teleport large chunks of an already fast army, for relatively small investment just seemed it should be being used to pull Terran into knots, seemed a no brainer to at least try it.

Lo and behold Serral especially has done that last few months and it looks extremely effective

We can but dream to see someone read this and show up at GSL with the macro hatches
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 14 2019 20:28 GMT
#169
On July 13 2019 06:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2019 06:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 11 2019 16:58 Penev wrote:
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.


hahaha

i think the extra macro hatches is the answer. since queens have become the coverall for the zerg defense, you basically don't have injects in the mid-late game. and how many times have you seen a zerg floating 3k mins and 0 gas? adding these hatches would be, as wombat_ni mentioned, less attention-intensive and also a constant source of larva. every zvp when zerg is defending the 2 base immortal push, as in pvt it is called 'the boys are pulled' and all the inject queens are brought to the front lines. zerg might hold here, but has lost a lot of potential larva production.

It’s interesting, I want to see someone try these things out.

As it is I’m terrible so I can’t really switch to Zerg and revolutionise the game with clustered macro hatches or w/e

As a semi-learned theorycrafter it intrigues me a lot though. Especially given I’ve never seen it at any level of play.

It’s rare but a sometimes us pure armchair folks get it right though. I’ve felt for ages that the nydus is crazy potent in lategame and felt it was way under-used. Being able to teleport large chunks of an already fast army, for relatively small investment just seemed it should be being used to pull Terran into knots, seemed a no brainer to at least try it.

Lo and behold Serral especially has done that last few months and it looks extremely effective

We can but dream to see someone read this and show up at GSL with the macro hatches



idk it seems all zergs fall prey to the 'bring the boys'.. ik you need to live NOW but you need to live BETTER LATER. but it's all about walking that tightrope. we'll just have to see.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25307 Posts
July 15 2019 00:35 GMT
#170
On July 15 2019 05:28 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2019 06:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 13 2019 06:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 11 2019 16:58 Penev wrote:
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.


hahaha

i think the extra macro hatches is the answer. since queens have become the coverall for the zerg defense, you basically don't have injects in the mid-late game. and how many times have you seen a zerg floating 3k mins and 0 gas? adding these hatches would be, as wombat_ni mentioned, less attention-intensive and also a constant source of larva. every zvp when zerg is defending the 2 base immortal push, as in pvt it is called 'the boys are pulled' and all the inject queens are brought to the front lines. zerg might hold here, but has lost a lot of potential larva production.

It’s interesting, I want to see someone try these things out.

As it is I’m terrible so I can’t really switch to Zerg and revolutionise the game with clustered macro hatches or w/e

As a semi-learned theorycrafter it intrigues me a lot though. Especially given I’ve never seen it at any level of play.

It’s rare but a sometimes us pure armchair folks get it right though. I’ve felt for ages that the nydus is crazy potent in lategame and felt it was way under-used. Being able to teleport large chunks of an already fast army, for relatively small investment just seemed it should be being used to pull Terran into knots, seemed a no brainer to at least try it.

Lo and behold Serral especially has done that last few months and it looks extremely effective

We can but dream to see someone read this and show up at GSL with the macro hatches



idk it seems all zergs fall prey to the 'bring the boys'.. ik you need to live NOW but you need to live BETTER LATER. but it's all about walking that tightrope. we'll just have to see.

Fingers crossed the game goes another 10+ years at least, my youngling is 6 now. If you ever see some Northern Irish lunatic burst into the scene with revolutionary macro hatches you know who to blame, I’ll give credit for the idea of course if his coach is ever interviewed!
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 15 2019 23:50 GMT
#171
On July 15 2019 09:35 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 05:28 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 13 2019 06:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 13 2019 06:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 11 2019 16:58 Penev wrote:
So would lowering the cost for ovie speed be a good non game breaking way to mitigate this scouting problem in ZvP?

Personally I'd just buff queen range; It's been a while we had one of those and what could possibly go wrong with that.


hahaha

i think the extra macro hatches is the answer. since queens have become the coverall for the zerg defense, you basically don't have injects in the mid-late game. and how many times have you seen a zerg floating 3k mins and 0 gas? adding these hatches would be, as wombat_ni mentioned, less attention-intensive and also a constant source of larva. every zvp when zerg is defending the 2 base immortal push, as in pvt it is called 'the boys are pulled' and all the inject queens are brought to the front lines. zerg might hold here, but has lost a lot of potential larva production.

It’s interesting, I want to see someone try these things out.

As it is I’m terrible so I can’t really switch to Zerg and revolutionise the game with clustered macro hatches or w/e

As a semi-learned theorycrafter it intrigues me a lot though. Especially given I’ve never seen it at any level of play.

It’s rare but a sometimes us pure armchair folks get it right though. I’ve felt for ages that the nydus is crazy potent in lategame and felt it was way under-used. Being able to teleport large chunks of an already fast army, for relatively small investment just seemed it should be being used to pull Terran into knots, seemed a no brainer to at least try it.

Lo and behold Serral especially has done that last few months and it looks extremely effective

We can but dream to see someone read this and show up at GSL with the macro hatches



idk it seems all zergs fall prey to the 'bring the boys'.. ik you need to live NOW but you need to live BETTER LATER. but it's all about walking that tightrope. we'll just have to see.

Fingers crossed the game goes another 10+ years at least, my youngling is 6 now. If you ever see some Northern Irish lunatic burst into the scene with revolutionary macro hatches you know who to blame, I’ll give credit for the idea of course if his coach is ever interviewed!

hahaha <3333
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