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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15982 Posts
June 23 2019 14:34 GMT
#401
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2019 08:48 Dave4 wrote:
On June 23 2019 08:17 RatzBarcode wrote:
On June 23 2019 02:10 Kitai wrote:
On June 23 2019 01:35 Xain0n wrote:
On June 23 2019 01:25 Kitai wrote:
I'm glad Dark finally took one home. He's been so good for so long. Trap winning one and fading back to obscurity a la Sniper or some such wouldn't have been as satisfying.


Why would Trap fade into obscurity? If players can't improve, how could you explain Rogue and Maru?


Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually.

Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything?


Byun was very middling on Prime in 2011. in 2015(?) he literally disappeared to where people were talking about wellness checks. then he won a GSL and blizzcon.

Gumiho had a floor higher than Trap's but he was a gatekeeper who gradually improved into a title.

Trap made a ro4(?) katowice like 5 years ago and a ro4 and silver GSL medal the last two. I suppose those would be outliers but it seems players can gradually improve from gatekeeper to finalist or champion. doesnt trap have an IEM too?

I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run.

He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really.

He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals.

Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho.


This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished

Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players.

Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders.

Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example.

There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo.

Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play.

lol @ randomness of starcraft

basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals.

I agree with most of this but this
There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa.
made me laugh. There certainly wasn't a time when herO was called a bonjwa.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
mpmaley86
Profile Joined May 2019
115 Posts
June 23 2019 17:11 GMT
#402
So happy for Dark. He's been a favorite for a while because while he couldn't seal the deal for a long time he seemed to always want it and to become better.
bubak
Profile Joined August 2016
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-24 20:11:56
June 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#403
During the after-series interview here the caster (/translator) says: "You called JYP, that you want to die, that everything is so hard for you." Dark goes from smiling to crying, camera cut to his grilfriend (?) also crying heavily. Am I misreading it, is it known and discussed, did no one notice this or what? If it is what it seems why are we not talking about it? Thanks.
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