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KelsierSC
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Protoss seems pretty good against Zerg at the moment,Trap will have some well thought out builds and take it 4-2. Should be able to watch it and talk about food with you guys. | ||
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sashkata
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stilt
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swarminfestor
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sneakyfox
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On June 21 2019 19:49 Ej_ wrote: Can Dark overcome the dreaded Teamhouse Environment? Dark choking in finals + teamhouse environment is like an unbeatable super Archon. Does he even stand a chance? It will take his sickest builds for sure. He's going to have to 12-pool every single game to have any shot at all. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 21 2019 19:49 Ej_ wrote: Can Dark overcome the dreaded Teamhouse Environment? In the China tournament thread it was mentioned there's not even a coach there, not sure how dreaded it is  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 21 2019 21:10 deacon.frost wrote: In the China tournament thread it was mentioned there's not even a coach there, not sure how dreaded it is According to the Jin Air website they still have coaches. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 21 2019 23:54 AzAlexZ wrote: 4-2 Either way Hoping for Trap to win cuz of Protoss Bias Also hoping for Dark to win cuz SKT Bias But seriously if Dark doesn't win tomorrow then he ain't never gonna win a Code S, cuz honestly he could have had a much more accomplished and strong opponent (a.k.a Classic) I honestly don't think Trap is a much weaker opponent for Dark, if weaker at all. Trap has been playing ridiculously well this tournament. His play is dynamic, his micro and tactics on point. Classic is a much more mechanical and build order based player, which Dark loves to throw wrenches in and turn it into a messy slug fest. To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). He also has the full might of his team house behind him...sOs a genius player and Rogue who is part of the Zerg Big 3 along with Dark. | ||
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Boggyb
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2019 00:26 BerserkSword wrote: To give an idea of how well Trap has been playing, he just beat Classic, who has had an absolutely monster PvP this entire year and has been considered the best Protoss on the planet this year, and Innovation, a Terran horseman who has been slaughtering Protoss players recently (including stats twice in this tournament). What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. | ||
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sudete
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Ej_
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On June 22 2019 00:29 Boggyb wrote: Trap will overcome being on the wrong side of the PvZ imbalance to win 4-2. None of the games will be particularly enjoyable since PvZ is horrid to watch. I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 22 2019 00:30 Fango wrote: What part of this looks like slaughter?. The only significant win he has is against Stats. For some reason everyone forgot that was down to Stats playing like shit not INno playing that well. Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo | ||
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Boggyb
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On June 22 2019 01:11 Ej_ wrote: I know you love that role of the token guy complaining about the hardships of Protoss vs Zerg, but the last time ZvP was above 50% in Code S, was 2018 Season 1. That's because there are like 2.5 good Zerg players in Korea: soO (until the GSL finals), Dark (until the ro4), Rogue (not recently), and Solar (even less recently). Someone else occasionally does something of note like make the ro16 or even ro8 but it is usually flash in the pan. I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2019 01:15 BerserkSword wrote: Admittedly if you only look at offline matches, his TvP is not impressive. But include online events, it's a lot stronger. His TvP winrate has been very high on ladder too (but lol ladder). Inno himself said he's more comfortable in TvP than in TvZ, which is hard to believe imo Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 22 2019 02:09 Fango wrote: Thing is INno has been murdering ladder and online events since forever. But he's still had massive slumps when it comes on offline. Look at all of last year (and most of this year) for example. I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote: I don't think inno is slumping at all at the moment. He regularly beats serral, maru, and stats in the biggest tournaments and just won wesg. No way you can compare 2019 inno with 2018 inno which was a real slump. He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else. This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win). | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote: He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else. This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win). I'm not saying he's playing at the level he was at his peaks. Maybe our definitions of slumps differ. Fact of the matter, however, is that he's nothing less than the second best Terran player on the planet. And has had a lot of success this year already | ||
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Ej_
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On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote: I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment) Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15982 Posts
On June 22 2019 01:59 Boggyb wrote: That's because there are like 2.5 good Zerg players in Korea: soO (until the GSL finals), Dark (until the ro4), Rogue (not recently), and Solar (even less recently). Someone else occasionally does something of note like make the ro16 or even ro8 but it is usually flash in the pan. I feel like if you looked at active pros who had ro4s or better in HotS that you'd find more Protoss than Terran or Zerg. (I'd check but Liquipedia is being weird at the moment) Agreed. ZvP is imbalanced in favor of Zerg but it looks like it's the other way around because Protoss players happen to be better. | ||
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Boggyb
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On June 22 2019 03:49 Ej_ wrote: Yes, because Protoss was also the most successful race of that expansion :D Or because Life was banned and ByuL retired. Who has Protoss lost in LotV? MyuNgSiK? edit: I guess Rain since I don't think he played any in LotV or I can't recall it. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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 Trap 4-3  Dark | ||
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ordeal11
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2014 MLG Anaheim won by [South Korea] Trap | ||
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ShAd_1337
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if it goes to game 7, trap ... | ||
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Morbidius
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On June 22 2019 02:51 Fango wrote: He gets overhyped because he beats Maru and Serral, but doing well against those two doesn't make up for bombing out to everyone else. This isn't 2013 INno, or 2017 INno, or even 2015 INno. It's reasonable to call that a slump. He hasn't looked like a championship contender in any event so far outside of WeSG (where he basically only had to play Maru and Serral to win). Inno right now is like 2012/13 Mvp bringing out his best against the best, even as he can't keep up with average players. In 2013 it was Mvp making miracles against Inno despite all odds. Now its Inno doing it to Serral and Maru. | ||
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Dave4
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I am rooting for dark. Have a feeling we will see some real weird shit this match. Protoss does seem to be very strong in box events vs bo1 but Trap (from what I've seen) is not the best talent playing that race (imo2x) | ||
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Argonauta
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Die4Ever
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On June 22 2019 05:58 Boggyb wrote: Or because Life was banned and ByuL retired. Who has Protoss lost in LotV? MyuNgSiK? edit: I guess Rain since I don't think he played any in LotV or I can't recall it. Zerg also lost Soulkey, Roro, Sniper lol | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Just finished my breakfast so no food posts to share but I hope my EU brothers are feasting. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 22 2019 16:52 Die4Ever wrote: Unrelated- I think post sc2 soulkey is the strongest zerg alive and.... probably of all time. Sc2 made him a strong bw player. Facts. Zerg also lost Soulkey, Roro, Sniper lol | ||
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Die4Ever
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hey stop putting words in my mouth  | ||
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Heartland
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AttackZerg
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Very sorry friend. Mobile posting error. I'll leave it for continuity. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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EVEN PROTOSS PLAYERS THINK PVP WILL BE BORING!!!!!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler + also PROTOSS IS WEAKKKKKKKKK lol | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 22 2019 17:06 Heartland wrote: "Protoss is a little weak right now" - sOs sOs dropping the truth bomb | ||
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Heartland
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AttackZerg
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On June 22 2019 17:08 HolydaKing wrote: From the last PvPs and PvZs I've seen, I think I prefer PvP. Let's see how todays games will be. What pvps are you recommending? | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Neeb vs Showtime Wait is it 2016? | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24583 Posts
Classic vs Trap was amazing. | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
NOW OR NEVER !!!! | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I'll check it out. Thank you. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Amazing like watching Soulkey vs Innovation. | ||
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ShAd_1337
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AttackZerg
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On June 22 2019 17:14 ShAd_1337 wrote: dark looks very nervous The crowds energy and the high fives seemed to instantly shrink him. | ||
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Penev
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On June 22 2019 17:14 ShAd_1337 wrote: dark looks very nervous yep | ||
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AttackZerg
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On June 22 2019 17:19 fastr wrote: I sense a LOT of cheeses coming in the first 3 or 4 games I had a feeling falling for the cheese syndrome would be the greatest threat to Dark in this match. Wanting to win must always outweight the fear of losing. He didn't invent the wheel to get here. He doesn't need to disprove gravity to win. Just play his game. | ||
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fastr
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On June 22 2019 17:21 AttackZerg wrote: I had a feeling falling for the cheese syndrome would be the greatest threat to Dark in this match. Wanting to win must always outweight the fear of losing. He didn't invent the wheel to get here. He doesn't need to disprove gravity to win. Just play his game. He destroyed Hurricane in the ro4 with very aggressive builds, I wouldn't be surprised to see it again | ||
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AttackZerg
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On June 22 2019 17:23 fastr wrote: He destroyed Hurricane in the ro4 with very aggressive builds, I wouldn't be surprised to see it again That is true. I think he played 2 outright - Immagetyous, but weren't the rest aggressive in response to timing pushes and stuff? | ||
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NExt
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 . Nice I'm getting hype. | ||
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Penev
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hopefully it'll be a bit more varied that that | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
They never balanced bw and Jaedong didn't shed qqs about Terran at a finals. I dislike it as a spectator but... maybe in this game that is the norm. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:26 Heartland wrote: Loads of trash talk. I love it. Enjoy it. It will probably be better than the finals as per GSL tradition. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17682 Posts
well that's one way to avoid saying Life | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 22 2019 17:29 RatzBarcode wrote: Do you guys think Stats or Classic is the best Lotv protoss? Stats 100% | ||
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Akio
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NExt
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On June 22 2019 17:29 Die4Ever wrote: "last OFFICIAL Zerg champion is Soulkey" well that's one way to avoid saying Life Do they practice these statements? Or are people just really good at removing Life from all memory? | ||
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Penev
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On June 22 2019 17:29 Die4Ever wrote: "last OFFICIAL Zerg champion is Soulkey" well that's one way to avoid saying Life :o you just committed a thought crime | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17682 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:30 NExt wrote: Do they practice these statements? Or are people just really good at removing Life from all memory? I'm sure they spent some time to think about how they wanted to talk about it for this finals, even if you count Life it's still been a long time since a Zerg won a GSL, it's a big talking point | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:28 AttackZerg wrote: Talking about balance in a Championship is kinda very lame. They never balanced bw and Jaedong didn't shed qqs about Terran at a finals. I dislike it as a spectator but... maybe in this game that is the norm. Jaedong was playing with what he had for 9 years, he knew Daddy Blizzard would not come to save him from Flash or Fantasy. It was all him, he had to be the best player now and years from now. These players can play the game and also put on a show in interviews because their monthly income depends on what stupid forum ideas Blizzard adopts this year. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On June 22 2019 17:29 Die4Ever wrote: "last OFFICIAL Zerg champion is Soulkey" well that's one way to avoid saying Life Yeah I guess. Don't think he matchfixed his wins, although who knows. Sucks that he did what he did T_T. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On June 22 2019 17:32 HolydaKing wrote: Yeah I guess. Don't think he matchfixed his wins, although who knows. Sucks that he did what he did T_T. matchfixing doesn't really work if you make the underdog throw the game and the favorite win lol, matchfixing with Life means Life threw the games | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:32 HolydaKing wrote: Yeah I guess. Don't think he matchfixed his wins, although who knows. Sucks that he did what he did T_T. I hope Dark loses this just so they have to keep this "Life doesn't exist" farce going on for longer. Its shameful for everyone involved. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:31 Morbidius wrote: Jaedong was playing with what he had for 9 years, he knew Daddy Blizzard would not come to save him from Flash or Fantasy. It was all him, he had to be the best player now and years from now. These players can play the game and also put on a show in interviews because their monthly income depends on what stupid forum ideas Blizzard adopts this year. LOL. They are lobbying for a better race. LoL. That is wack. Haha | ||
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Akio
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On June 22 2019 17:30 NExt wrote: Do they practice these statements? Or are people just really good at removing Life from all memory? If they didn't, the lack of a zerg champion would be hyped up much more | ||
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deacon.frost
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On June 22 2019 17:30 Akio wrote: Jin Air is the best SC2 team ever? Hmmm.. And which one if not they? Multiple Code S titles. Multiple Blizzcon titles. Multiple IEM titles. A Proleague title and a runner up(which in SC2 is the 1st - 2nd best result, SKT T1 has the same result) ? | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 22 2019 17:35 Heartland wrote: Wait, why is Ty commentating this? He's replacing JYP who had to go to military | ||
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Akio
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On June 22 2019 17:36 deacon.frost wrote: And which one if not they? Multiple Code S titles. Multiple Blizzcon titles. Multiple IEM titles. A Proleague title and a runner up(which in SC2 is the 1st - 2nd best result, SKT T1 has the same result) ? I don't deny that they have the most titles, just saying that it's not the most genuine statement when so many of those titles were won after all the other proleague teams went away Not to take anything away from Jin Air ofc | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24583 Posts
but not as a permanent caster, right? | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:34 AttackZerg wrote: LOL. They are lobbying for a better race. LoL. That is wack. Haha Hah of course they're trying their best and not just lobbying, but most pros would agree balance patches highly affect theor chances, be it positively or negatively. Polt once said on stream "In the RO32 and Ro16 whoever is better wins, but whoever's race is better reaches the finals." | ||
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Durnuu
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It is permanent, as far as I know, but he's not retiring from progaming regardless | ||
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Heartland
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On June 22 2019 17:41 Durnuu wrote: It is permanent, as far as I know, but he's not retiring from progaming regardless Oh! Neat. | ||
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Argonauta
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On June 22 2019 17:45 Ej_ wrote: Actualy a perfect game by Dark. He made it look easy. No, it came down to a single crucial mistake from Trap, Dark was behind all game. | ||
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sudete
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On June 22 2019 17:46 Argonauta wrote: No, it came down to a single crucial mistake from Trap, Dark was behind all game. Shh, don't tell them that. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 22 2019 17:46 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this game looked pretty dumb. Lose 1 prism, lost entire army. That's Protoss for you. The Warp Prism is basically a hero unit since the warp-in changes and the pick-up range. | ||
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He massed roaches to contain Trap on 3 bases. He switched to muta to force garbage unita and cannons out of 3 base toss and then he used the mutas to pick off sentries and get the prism while Trap was forcing himself down Zerg's throat. It was all planned. | ||
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Argonauta
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On June 22 2019 17:48 Ej_ wrote: He massed roaches to contain Trap on 3 bases. He switched to muta to force garbage unita and cannons out of 3 base toss and then he used the mutas to pick off sentries and get the prism while Trap was forcing himself down Zerg's throat. It was all planned. He lost 3 mutas to pick up a sentry, yes Trap committed to cannons, but the muta flock was more expensive than Trap commitment. IF Trap dosent lose the prim and warps 2 rounds of zealots Trap crushes Dark easily at the 4th. Yet he didnt protect with archon phonexis his prism. A crucial mistake that cost him the game. Roach hold on 3 bases while you are taking your 4th as Z is nothing. | ||
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Penev
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On June 22 2019 17:48 Ej_ wrote: He massed roaches to contain Trap on 3 bases. He switched to muta to force garbage unita and cannons out of 3 base toss and then he used the mutas to pick off sentries and get the prism while Trap was forcing himself down Zerg's throat. It was all planned. he played him like a fiddle but it wasn't exactly a Stradivarius | ||
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AttackZerg
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Glad Dark lost that one. Also, since this the only map I have ever vetoed on ladder, I assume he planned it for this map. | ||
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Ej_
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On June 22 2019 17:55 pdd wrote: Is offensive hatch even any good? It's good. What is not good is all-ining into stargate before nexus. | ||
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Penev
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On June 22 2019 17:56 Morbidius wrote: This is the "I'm willing to do stupid shit so watch out" game from Dark right? hopefully, he gifted Hurricane one of these as well | ||
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Akio
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On June 22 2019 17:57 Penev wrote: hopefully, he gifted Hurricane one of these as well On the same map too | ||
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RatzBarcode
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On June 22 2019 17:55 pdd wrote: Is offensive hatch even any good? seems like 2 rax or cannon rush has the higher winrate or at least is the better mindgame. especially on a map with slow zones | ||
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sneakyfox
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And who did Artosis curse? | ||
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Waxangel
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On June 22 2019 17:56 Morbidius wrote: This is the "I'm willing to do stupid shit so watch out" game from Dark right? He played proxy-hatch into macro against Hurricane, basically just using it as a disruptive tactic before playing a 'normal' game. He switched it up into something more aggressive against Trap, but Trap just won the mind-game when he countered Dark's units with actual units of his own D: | ||
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Morbidius
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On June 22 2019 18:06 Waxangel wrote: He played proxy-hatch into macro against Hurricane, basically just using it as a disruptive tactic before playing a 'normal' game. He switched it up into something more aggressive against Trap, but Trap just won the mind-game when he countered Dark's units with actual units of his own D: Yeah but the "stupid shit" part was pulled off on turbo cruise as well, even if it didn't have a proxy hatch. | ||
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After getting cannon rushed by Zest in that awful proleague finals, Trap inherited the cannon rushing skills | ||
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sneakyfox
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On June 22 2019 18:12 Durnuu wrote: Yes he can, lmao After getting cannon rushed by Zest in that awful proleague finals, Trap inherited the cannon rushing skills Cannon rush curse > teamhouse environment | ||
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 ) but he was just a little too late. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:13 ilovegroov wrote: That was no great game either but it was funny | ||
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Creator: Even my cannon rushes are better than that. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:14 pvsnp wrote: sOs: Dude you suck at cannon rushing. Creator: Even my cannon rushes are better than that. Thank you Brian for that translation! | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:15 sudete wrote: If you told me before this that GSL finals would be the worst premier final of the year so far... I would probably believe you It's not like the Maru 4-peat finals were actually any good outside the TY series XD (that Zest comeback was okay I guess). | ||
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If we believe the hypothesis that he is a patchtoss:he may still pull it off. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:18 Morbidius wrote: If we believe Gemini's article about how Trap finally got over his nerves: He's going to tilt hard right now. If we believe the hypothesis that he is a patchtoss:he may still pull it off. So you're telling me there's a chance. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:17 Waxangel wrote: It's not like the Maru 4-peat finals were actually any good outside the TY series XD (that Zest comeback was okay I guess). GSL has been about the semis for 3 years now. Dark vs Maru, Dark vs Inno, neeb vs TY, Classic vs Dark. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:15 sudete wrote: If you told me before this that GSL finals would be the worst premier final of the year so far... I would probably believe you the ro32 and ro16 for this tourney had an exciting upset like every day. consequently, everything after was less than stellar games, noncompetitive series, etc. this was a strange GSL. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:21 DBooN wrote: Dark manually targeting an area where he cant do damage with the Locust. yeah that was weird | ||
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And nicely done by Dark | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:20 RatzBarcode wrote: the ro32 and ro16 for this tourney had an exciting upset like every day. consequently, everything after was less than stellar games, noncompetitive series, etc. this was a strange GSL. Exciting upsets cause crappy players who play crappy games to make it thru. Who knew. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:21 DBooN wrote: Dark manually targeting an area where he cant do damage with the Locust. I thought he was gonna try to focus the templar's archives or something, but no, just a gateway | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote: First swarmhost wave did nothing, he shouldn't have went for the warp gate there. He probably shoulnd't have wasted locusts on the Archons either. Just send the wave and lose the nydus | ||
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The locusts did nothing. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:26 Parrek wrote: I mean, at least we're getting a lot of games. Might even go game 7. quality > quantity | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:24 HolydaKing wrote: First swarmhost wave did nothing, he shouldn't have went for the warp gate there. Good job by Trap though! in hindsight maybe, but i liked the idea to avoid the stasis | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:27 Psychonian wrote: what an absolute disaster of a series so far at least it s not a 4-0 | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:28 Morbidius wrote: Can we see a single broken immortal allin or broodlord/infestor? What will we complain about? Right now we're complaining about bad games | ||
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zzzzz | ||
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i'd rather an entertaining 4-0 than this shit lmao | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:31 Psychonian wrote: i'd rather an entertaining 4-0 than this shit lmao 4 good games is infinitely better than 7 awful ones. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:33 sudete wrote: Regardless of how this ends, at least we get to watch serral play some amazing zvp later please dont jinx it On June 22 2019 18:32 pvsnp wrote: 4 good games is infinitely better than 7 awful ones. 100% agreed | ||
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seemsgood
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nuff said... | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:30 Kaizor wrote: The winner of this GSL is not decided through who shows the most skill, but rather by which player that is most able to defend against cheese. zzzzz because you don't need skill to defend against cheese | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:33 sudete wrote: Regardless of how this ends, at least we get to watch serral play some amazing zvp later What an excellent day for a hangover | ||
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game 1 and 4 had some really advanced play. even game 2 was impressive by trap. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:35 Charoisaur wrote: because you don't need skill to defend against cheese SC2 should be only 30 minutes macro games bro, cheese shouldn't even be part of the game | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:36 Durnuu wrote: SC2 should be only 30 minutes macro games bro, cheese shouldn't even be part of the game I have no problem with players cheesing to win, and hell, it can even make some really entertaining games. By all means players should do anything within their power to win, but that doesn't make it entertaining to watch. | ||
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Banking on protoss rolling over and taking punches while you have no real army.... is strategically vapid. Zerg is too strong to need to rush that tech imo. | ||
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I'm in. What a shitty match. | ||
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Wolf? | ||
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Such high variance... being better matters less. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:36 BerserkSword wrote: don't get why people are complaining about this series game 1 and 4 had some really advanced play. even game 2 was impressive by trap. people complain what they dont like simple at dat | ||
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You're also Swedish? | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:40 seemsgood wrote: people complain what they dont like simple at dat damn. so all those posters dont like incredibly high level SC2 play | ||
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Nope, Danish. Why did Sweden win something yesterday or huh? | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:42 Heartland wrote: Aww a letter was missing, are we sure it was the "n" tho :p | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:42 sneakyfox wrote: Nope, Danish. Why did Sweden win something yesterday or huh? It was midsummer yesterday (our Sankt Hans). | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:42 BerserkSword wrote: damn. so all those posters dont like incredibly high level SC2 play I do, that's why I liked the KeSPA era | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:43 Penev wrote: a letter was missing, are we sure it was the "n" tho :p I'm not sure what you're referring to, I was aww:ing to the kid. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:43 Heartland wrote: I'm not sure what you're referring to, I was aww:ing to the kid. the sign said: Trap winer | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:43 Heartland wrote: It was midsummer yesterday (our Sankt Hans). Ahh. Moonshine everywhere, I see... | ||
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Hey, I haven't drunk moonshine for ten years or so! That means I'm an upstanding member of society | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:46 Heartland wrote: Warp Prism range makes for more exciting micro and better games, fite me. Agreed | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:46 Heartland wrote: Warp Prism range makes for more exciting micro and better games, fite me. "no" | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
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In my view, the match so far was alright - with the exception of game #3. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:46 Heartland wrote: Hey, I haven't drunk moonshine for ten years or so! That means I'm an upstanding member of society i thought moonshine is illegal ? at least rdr2 told me that | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:48 seemsgood wrote: i thought moonshine is illegal ? at least rdr2 told me that It is. But Sweden too big and too many countryside houses | ||
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GET DUNKED IMMORTALSD !!!!!! JUST ONE MORE !!!!!!! | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:53 ilovegroov wrote: Trap was in good shape until he lost the prism with 2 immortals as tends to happen in SC2 XD anyway tense game; I was entertained | ||
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First good game btw. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:53 Psychonian wrote: That was so sick but also you could see the exact moment where Dark was like "oh i have burrow move!" He used it only after the warp prism died and the immortals couldn't be saved anymore. | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:54 Charoisaur wrote: I've never seen a Zerg player play that well Highest skilled era! | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:54 Charoisaur wrote: I've never seen a Zerg player play that well Serral does that build even better. Imo | ||
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Against Drogo and Goblin | ||
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On June 22 2019 18:58 Durnuu wrote: I forgot dropperlords even existed honestly This is Guru's legacy. | ||
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S K T | ||
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Not like this | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:01 Argonauta wrote: Sad day for SC2 Great day for humanity. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:01 AzAlexZ wrote: SKT BEST KT True! | ||
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On June 22 2019 17:39 Akio wrote: I don't deny that they have the most titles, just saying that it's not the most genuine statement when so many of those titles were won after all the other proleague teams went away Not to take anything away from Jin Air ofcYeah, like those sOs' titles or that Proleague title and the 2nd place, right? C'mon. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:01 RaiKageRyu wrote: oh wtf, I broke away for 4 mins, and the game is done. 19 drones nydus ling allin | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:01 Anc13nt wrote: 2019- Year of the Kong or the opposite; the end of the kong | ||
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Well deserved, though. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:01 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, like those sOs' titles or that Proleague title and the 2nd place, right? C'mon. and SKT/KT never won anything? Jin air wasn't the best team until the other teams disbanded | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:03 Charoisaur wrote: and SKT/KT never won anything? Jin air wasn't the best team until the other teams disbanded At least they are still a team | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:02 darklycid wrote: Btw protoss era leads to tvz Finals in WCS and the First Zerg gsl win in ages The Protoss plague was so unstoppable no Protoss ended up winning, in fact; pages and pages of people complaining, ridicolous xd. | ||
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but congrat to Dark regardless and its time to post your community update uncle blizz | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:05 Xain0n wrote: The Protoss plague was so unstoppable no Protoss ended up winning, in fact; pages and pages of people complaining, ridicolous xd. Super Tournament wasn't that long ago. And if Classic didn't choke in the semis, I think he could've beaten Dark if that were the finals here. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:05 Xain0n wrote: The Protoss plague was so unstoppable no Protoss ended up winning, in fact; pages and pages of people complaining, ridicolous xd. its you or them man...may be your definition on balance was wrong the whole time tho you just dont realize it | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:07 yoshi245 wrote: Super Tournament wasn't that long ago. And if Classic didn't choke in the semis, I think he could've beaten Dark if that were the finals here. I Just wanted to poke fun a lil Bit :D tbf protoss perfroms pretty Well in Kr currently and i can Understand everyone that says there are Problems in PvZ and pvt, but people right now hate Just too much i feel. | ||
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Next gsl final is locked for Taeja and Bomber !! | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:07 yoshi245 wrote: Super Tournament wasn't that long ago. And if Classic didn't choke in the semis, I think he could've beaten Dark if that were the finals here. Super Tournament was won by Protoss last year as well, literally nothing changed if not the increased(and sometimes oppressive) Protoss presence from ro16 onwards; they weren't any more successful. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:07 Anc13nt wrote: I'm happy that Dark won but I do hope Trap wins something soon. He's also deserving. he won some cookies of some people.because no one is gonna remember you if you get 4-0d time after time but not 4-2 tho.not 4-2 | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:10 Xain0n wrote: Super Tournament was won by Protoss last year as well, literally nothing changed if not the increased(and sometimes oppressive) Protoss presence from ro16 onwards; they weren't any more successful. Literally nothing has changed, except for what has changed. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:11 Akio wrote: 2019, Revenge of the Kong!! Congrats to Dark!! Now Byul comes back?! | ||
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Dark's surround of Trap's immortals with burrowed roaches was extremely cool, but now you are embarassing yourself with such claims. That's now how I expected Dark to put an end to JAGW's dominion in Code S, but he still grabbed his well deserved trophy. | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:03 sudete wrote: Dark's amazing run to the championship - herO, Hurricane and Trap. Well deserved, though. Yeah, deserved for all his other accomplishments for sure. | ||
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GSL dark cheer/art sign GSL dark signs in audience GSL anniversary DARK support GSL Finals audience GSL Audience GSL dark-trap sign GSL Audience signs GSL trap warp prims dropped me from texas / welcome TY new commentator GSL birthday wish dark victory GSL Artosis worked only in GSL and Retail / burgers GSL / Kevin CEO GSL Audience dark winner trophy GSL Dark's mom dark ceremony GSL Audience zoom out GSL audience GSL trap's parents / dark's mom GSL i hope both players lose and classic wins GSL classic 3rd player in GSL finals GSL Dark giant cheque | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:19 ilovegroov wrote: Yeah, deserved for all his other accomplishments for sure. at least it was in an unfavorable meta which makes it more impressive than it sounds like | ||
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On June 22 2019 19:11 Ej_ wrote: Literally nothing has changed, except for what has changed. Nice one | ||
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The first GSL season in a while where I watched almost all the games from the Ro16 on, & a really good one. Deserving finalists and a deserving champion. GG! | ||
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On June 23 2019 01:25 Kitai wrote: I'm glad Dark finally took one home. He's been so good for so long. Trap winning one and fading back to obscurity a la Sniper or some such wouldn't have been as satisfying. Why would Trap fade into obscurity? If players can't improve, how could you explain Rogue and Maru? | ||
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On June 23 2019 01:35 Xain0n wrote: Why would Trap fade into obscurity? If players can't improve, how could you explain Rogue and Maru? Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? | ||
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On June 23 2019 02:10 Kitai wrote: Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? Hes was saying that trap improved and he doubted he would fade away., trap got so far, he clearly Improved. Maybe he will be a constant threat ro4 protoss now, he could get better from this. Doesnt have to be a direct | ||
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On June 23 2019 02:10 Kitai wrote: Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? Byun was very middling on Prime in 2011. in 2015(?) he literally disappeared to where people were talking about wellness checks. then he won a GSL and blizzcon. Gumiho had a floor higher than Trap's but he was a gatekeeper who gradually improved into a title. Trap made a ro4(?) katowice like 5 years ago and a ro4 and silver GSL medal the last two. I suppose those would be outliers but it seems players can gradually improve from gatekeeper to finalist or champion. doesnt trap have an IEM too? | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:17 RatzBarcode wrote: Byun was very middling on Prime in 2011. in 2015(?) he literally disappeared to where people were talking about wellness checks. then he won a GSL and blizzcon. Gumiho had a floor higher than Trap's but he was a gatekeeper who gradually improved into a title. Trap made a ro4(?) katowice like 5 years ago and a ro4 and silver GSL medal the last two. I suppose those would be outliers but it seems players can gradually improve from gatekeeper to finalist or champion. doesnt trap have an IEM too? I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. | ||
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Xiangyi
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:48 Dave4 wrote: I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. Trap's path was harder than Dark's except for ro16; you might not be impressed by Trap if you look at him expecting to see the best Protoss in the world, but just compare the player he is now to the player he has been for the last five years, he is definitely tier 1 now that he hasn't one matchup dragging him down, he is ready to win something big after a ro4 and a final in Code S. I, for one, was not impressed by Classic's play these months despite everyone was praising him. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:48 Dave4 wrote: I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players. Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example. There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo. Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play. lol @ randomness of starcraft basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals.  | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote: Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. She did what? She is capable if what? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote: This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players. Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example. There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo. Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play. lol @ randomness of starcraft basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals. This is a quality post. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15982 Posts
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote: This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players. Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example. There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo. Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play. lol @ randomness of starcraft basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals. I agree with most of this but this There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. made me laugh. There certainly wasn't a time when herO was called a bonjwa. | ||
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mpmaley86
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bubak
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