EPTDark's surround of Trap's immortals with burrowed roaches was extremely cool, but now you are embarassing yourself with such claims. That's now how I expected Dark to put an end to JAGW's dominion in Code S, but he still grabbed his well deserved trophy.
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Dark's surround of Trap's immortals with burrowed roaches was extremely cool, but now you are embarassing yourself with such claims. That's now how I expected Dark to put an end to JAGW's dominion in Code S, but he still grabbed his well deserved trophy. | ||
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
On June 22 2019 19:03 sudete wrote: Dark's amazing run to the championship - herO, Hurricane and Trap. Well deserved, though. Yeah, deserved for all his other accomplishments for sure. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On June 22 2019 19:19 ilovegroov wrote: Yeah, deserved for all his other accomplishments for sure. at least it was in an unfavorable meta which makes it more impressive than it sounds like | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2467 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 22 2019 19:11 Ej_ wrote: Literally nothing has changed, except for what has changed. Nice one  | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1219 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3139 Posts
The first GSL season in a while where I watched almost all the games from the Ro16 on, & a really good one. Deserving finalists and a deserving champion. GG! | ||
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 23 2019 01:25 Kitai wrote: I'm glad Dark finally took one home. He's been so good for so long. Trap winning one and fading back to obscurity a la Sniper or some such wouldn't have been as satisfying. Why would Trap fade into obscurity? If players can't improve, how could you explain Rogue and Maru? | ||
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
On June 23 2019 01:35 Xain0n wrote: Why would Trap fade into obscurity? If players can't improve, how could you explain Rogue and Maru? Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
On June 23 2019 02:10 Kitai wrote: Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? Hes was saying that trap improved and he doubted he would fade away., trap got so far, he clearly Improved. Maybe he will be a constant threat ro4 protoss now, he could get better from this. Doesnt have to be a direct | ||
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On June 23 2019 02:10 Kitai wrote: Call it a hunch based on the fact that he's been playing GSLs since 2012 and hasn't achieved anything notable in them for 7 years. He's like the Protoss version of Curious - a very good player to consistently make it into Code S but always seen as a Ro32/Ro16 gatekeeper without any results to prove otherwise. One tournament or two (like this one) is bound to be an outlier eventually. Also, I'm really interested to hear about where I said "players can't improve." I looked all over the post you quoted and tried really hard to remember my previous posts but didn't come up with anything? Byun was very middling on Prime in 2011. in 2015(?) he literally disappeared to where people were talking about wellness checks. then he won a GSL and blizzcon. Gumiho had a floor higher than Trap's but he was a gatekeeper who gradually improved into a title. Trap made a ro4(?) katowice like 5 years ago and a ro4 and silver GSL medal the last two. I suppose those would be outliers but it seems players can gradually improve from gatekeeper to finalist or champion. doesnt trap have an IEM too? | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:17 RatzBarcode wrote: Byun was very middling on Prime in 2011. in 2015(?) he literally disappeared to where people were talking about wellness checks. then he won a GSL and blizzcon. Gumiho had a floor higher than Trap's but he was a gatekeeper who gradually improved into a title. Trap made a ro4(?) katowice like 5 years ago and a ro4 and silver GSL medal the last two. I suppose those would be outliers but it seems players can gradually improve from gatekeeper to finalist or champion. doesnt trap have an IEM too? I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. | ||
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Xiangyi
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:48 Dave4 wrote: I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. Trap's path was harder than Dark's except for ro16; you might not be impressed by Trap if you look at him expecting to see the best Protoss in the world, but just compare the player he is now to the player he has been for the last five years, he is definitely tier 1 now that he hasn't one matchup dragging him down, he is ready to win something big after a ro4 and a final in Code S. I, for one, was not impressed by Classic's play these months despite everyone was praising him. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 23 2019 08:48 Dave4 wrote: I dunno personally I wasn't hugely impressed by Traps run. He beat Scarlett, Special, hero X2 in the group stages - good show, but expected victories really. He then took on innovation 3-2 and classic 4-3. Both of those I felt Inno and classic kind of threw, classic especially. They weren't wins that made me feel like trap was better than either, just kind of the randomness of starcraft was a fairly big factor. He was then just OK in the finals. Trap is a really good player but for me he is still not really a true contender for best in the world. soO is an example of someone who looks a top contender despite not winning... Trap would be in Tier 2 now tho. This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players. Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example. There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo. Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play. lol @ randomness of starcraft basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals.  | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote: Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. She did what? She is capable if what? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 23 2019 09:24 BerserkSword wrote: This just sounds like anti-protoss bias TBH. Either that or you don't understand what Trap has accomplished Scarlett, Special, and HerO are excellent players. Scarlett made a name by destroying legendary protoss player sOs and is capable of beating almost any player if firing on all cylinders. Special is a TvP specialist. He hates protoss with a passion and dedicates most of his time towards the TvP matchup. He recently steamrolled neeb and sOs, for example. There was a time when people were calling hero a bonjwa. He's one of the greatest protoss players of all time by many accounts. Saying that Trap beating him twice is expected is pretty delusional imo. Then comes the playoffs, where Trap beats both Innovation and Classic. That is insane, as they are both, at least Top 2 (if not Top 1) players of their respective races on the planet. And trap beat them both in BO5/BO7. Saying that Classic and Innovation threw is just disrespectful to Trap. Dude beat both of them with dynamic play. lol @ randomness of starcraft basically, anyone who reaches the finals of a tournament is de facto contender, whether you believe it or not. Trap earned it, and he earned it big. he ran the gauntlet to reach the finals. This is a quality post. | ||
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