WESG 2018 Grand Final - Group Stage Day 2

On March 12 2019 18:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:


This so much ! How was Stephano even good once? He is so terrible I cant even find the rights words for it. And sure, he occasionally has good games against P and T, but how on earth can you be a gold leaguer in ZvZ playing on Pro level in a region full of top Zergs? Its just so strange...

On March 12 2019 18:25 Geo.Rion wrote:

Rotti said on stream that he broken 7k mmr on europe recently, and to do that he must have had to face a throng of zergs. Yet he s being trashed in ZvZ at every single tournament, and his other MUs dont seem to be that much better, to make up for the losses in the mirror mu

On March 12 2019 18:42 deacon.frost wrote:

WCS consists of plenty of Zergs and Protosses. Having a weak ZvZ cannot be saved by good ZvT and ZvP as ZvZ makes up for almost a half of your matches. This can work in Code S where you have more Terrans.

On March 12 2019 18:51 Geo.Rion wrote:

But how is he on the top of the ladder when over half of the top euro GMs are zergs?

On March 12 2019 19:03 Poopi wrote:
Am I reading liquipedia right?
Stephano also lost to gogojoey? Is he sick or something at this point?

Thankfully he didn't qualify for France, what a shameful performance.

On March 12 2019 19:20 sudete wrote:
Joey and IA only have to win one more series to guarantee progress?

On March 12 2019 19:21 DreamOen wrote:
Where can I see Neeb vs Serral and Innovation games? vods are beeing really hard to track

On March 12 2019 21:04 Harris1st wrote:
Kelazhur taking some pages out of Gumiho's book

On March 12 2019 21:16 MarianoSC2 wrote:


Just play like Dark or Rogue

On March 12 2019 21:16 MarianoSC2 wrote:


Just play like Dark or Rogue

On March 12 2019 21:17 Geo.Rion wrote:

Which games are you referring to? Have there been recent ultra late game ZvT wins?
Genuinely asking btw, not trolling

On March 12 2019 21:11 BerserkSword wrote:
what is zerg supposed to do against late game terran lol

On March 12 2019 21:33 Kimb3r wrote:
SortOf plays the wrong race.. he should play Toss, play def and reactive all game and then hit with the deathball...

On March 12 2019 21:23 Liquid`Snute wrote:

That terran style just happens to look ridiculous when it does win, it's quite okay to play against if you have a plan just need to get infestor and eventually BLs, take very patient fights with the endgame hive army and terran can't really do much then. Yes you can't really attack for what feels like forever. But you can army-split and position and spread creep. Terran barely has any anti air or anti-burrowed infestor stuff with this comp so you have a lot of freedom if you make enough BLs and can transfuse them too + sneaky infestors dodging thors/lib circles from underground. If sortof had a bit of a better game and engagement he'd win. He was playing really well with the infestors earlier but still some mistakes. It's easy to take damage or be distracted by cyclones.

I don't find this style very OP, it's just tedious to play against because you get compressed into a tennis ball while terran takes 10 bases. But it's not that big of a deal because it's all about the 4-5base army and one or two fights in the end. If you retain the god hive zerg army and unlock your 5th and 6th, terran won't have the mad bank to switch into full sky terran or ghosts or anything due to their ridiculous cyclone spending.. But if your defense or fight isn't convincing enough, they'll manage to make the switch.

It's one of the more interesting and crazy mech styles to watch. When you have a plan as zerg it can be pretty fun to play against too. Bit of a meme style from terran so if you do manage to defend well and ultimately win the big fight it's pretty rewarding.

On March 12 2019 22:01 Poopi wrote:
Congratulations PtitDrogo! Very good performance so far, hopefully he doesn't get rewarded with Serral first round though

One more match till money

On March 12 2019 22:30 Jerom wrote:
I must say this format really isn't the greatest. Lots of downtime on the stream and honestly these aren't really the highest level games. Even in the playoffs the first few rounds will probably be walkovers. I much prefer the format of for example IEM.

On March 12 2019 22:38 Xain0n wrote:
TIME needs to win at all costs, right? As much as I get it, he either goes first place or elimination as even losing 1-2 would put mean he'd have same map score as Rail , having lost the head to head.

On March 12 2019 23:18 sneakyfox wrote:

Please post link!

On March 12 2019 23:10 Aeromi wrote:

Can you post the link of the Chinese stream? Thank you.

On March 12 2019 23:18 sneakyfox wrote:


Please post link!

On March 11 2019 22:56 FuRong wrote:
MaNa's reward for 10-0ing his group could be Serral in the ro16.

On March 12 2019 23:33 sneakyfox wrote:


It's Dark and Serral in the upper half, Maru and Inno in the lower half

Innovation is going to take out Maru

On March 12 2019 23:48 ShAd_1337 wrote:
ro16 played one after one or are there gonna be two matches at the same time?

On March 13 2019 00:17 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Well this bracket is pretty obvious. Serral vs Inno finals with easy Inno win.
Its a shame that Serral got such an easy bracket (Dark ZvZ not good enough, Scarlett will choke as usual) and Inno + Maru are on the same side. There is just no way Maru gets past Inno. TBH with his current form he will probably have trouble getting past Neeb :D

On March 13 2019 02:10 Xain0n wrote:


That would be disappointing but not entirely unexpected after IEM, not to mention he was(is?) ill.

A final without koreans in a tournament starring Maru, Inno and Dark would cause many livers to explode, on the other hand.

On March 13 2019 03:32 deacon.frost wrote:

Out of these 3 only Dark is a stellar player. Maru looks in slump and Inno is nowhere near is championship material. While Neeb appears to be in somewhat good form and Serral is slumping, but considering his match against soO he still can play ZvZ. It shouldn't surprise anyone if Neeb advances through and Dark wouldn't beat Serral in ZvZ.

So, no?

What would be annoying - all the foreign fanboys writing about it everywhere all the time. Similarly to that BO1 victory of Serral etc.

So, would the finals without Korean be the reason or all the people trying to piss other people? ...

Edit> Unless you go by names, obviously. But that would be silly. If you would go by names and randomly placed into the play off Flash, Rain and Soulkey, everyone would be thinking that the finals have to be Rain v Flash. While they're godlike in BW and they were really fucking amazing in SC2(well, Flash slightly less, shots fired ), nowadays they have just their names in SC2 and their legacy. Nothing more, I believe all of them would lost.

No offense to these players. Also if SK sucks in BW, find me another SC/BW example, please

On March 13 2019 04:28 Xain0n wrote:


I have to admit the first part of your post is absolute gold.

I agree that one has to properly take into consideration reasonably recent results, fame isn't really relevant when it comes to actual play.

To answer your question, the idea foreigners suck strongly lingers in the minds of many lurking or posting here on Team Liquid. Despite being such a nasty belief, it had its reasons to exist back in HoTS; that's not the case anymore, even if obviously koreans are still stronger players on average.

The mere fact Serral and Neeb(the ones who most likely could play a non korean final) were not born in Korea would generate whole plains of salt, regardless of their objectively very high level of play, if both of them would reach WESG's finals; I don't see it happening, in any of case.

On March 13 2019 04:56 MarianoSC2 wrote:



Maybe he meant that Serral and Maru are slumping for their standards (which they set last year when they won almost everything important they could).
So while these 2 are "slumping" a bit, Dark keeps his standard of not winning anything but always looking very dangerous?

On March 13 2019 17:00 Harris1st wrote:


That game was the definition of a nail biter and could have gone either way for a very long time.

You really need to google words like "dismantled" and "stomped"