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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 04 2018 12:56 GMT
#1101
Dark beaten by a foreign player on home soil wut
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12131 Posts
August 04 2018 12:56 GMT
#1102
On August 04 2018 21:55 D-light wrote:
But I think we are all forgetting that Serral being at 3000 aligulac points is the real story here.

I don't know what that means thus it offends me Care to elaborate for people like me? :D
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 12:58:00
August 04 2018 12:57 GMT
#1103
On August 04 2018 21:56 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:55 D-light wrote:
But I think we are all forgetting that Serral being at 3000 aligulac points is the real story here.

I don't know what that means thus it offends me Care to elaborate for people like me? :D

The true measure of skill: http://aligulac.com/
why even
WhiteSPiriT
Profile Joined April 2018
France19 Posts
August 04 2018 12:59 GMT
#1104
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament.

I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


This is very true.
Steroidbrucie
Profile Joined July 2018
56 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 13:01:41
August 04 2018 13:01 GMT
#1105
The problem for the whole scene is not region lock. There are way too less tournaments and these tournaments are spread among hundreds of different organizers. Plus the prize pool distribution is bad in most cases, since they reward only high placed players. I would recommend a prize pool distribution like they do on Pokerstars by 15-20% of players get a share of it.

Also: Do korean players get money when they reach into Code S by just making into it? If not, do so.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 04 2018 13:02 GMT
#1106
On August 04 2018 21:31 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:30 Penev wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:27 Parrek wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:25 Elentos wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:20 Parrek wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
[quote]

Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.



Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO

I don't think people pretend everything is fine. Just they realize that Korea has to sustain itself and until it does that, what's done is done. It'd be fun to see more Korean events next year when they revise the system (since I'm really confident they won't shrink or drop us with the massive growth we have this year.), but Korean SC2 has to revive itself.

The non-Korean scene did not revive or sustain itself either, it was put on life support by Blizzard until it could finally breathe again.

But that life support has allowed it to revive and sustain itself significantly better than before.

Isn't it still on life support? Serral is just 1 guy.

Let's test it and end region lock next year

Yeah I feel like both scenes are on life support. There aren't any new players coming in whether foreign or korean


What's being left unsaid in this discussion is that no one new will come in unless Blizzard announces SC3 or WC4. SC2 won't live forever.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
August 04 2018 13:03 GMT
#1107
On August 04 2018 21:52 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:49 Adramelech1 wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament.

I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


I don't think anyone here is pissed. You and maybe 2 more fools are throwing a temper tantrum in here and that's about it.

I'm not throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not watching most of the SC2 content anyway, why would I? Maru is out, Rogue is out, I don't care. I just hate the blatant racism about region locking WCS and not caring about Korea. Serral is good, but I would rather see a good Foreign Terran, but I saw only good Protosses and Zergs

Edit> If you check my post history, it's far from anything but temper tantrum. We have a saying in Czech Republic about this situation and I cannot stop laughing after your response, thanks man.

I mean, you obviously have to tell us that saying now. Translated to english ofc
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
August 04 2018 13:06 GMT
#1108
On August 04 2018 22:01 Steroidbrucie wrote:
The problem for the whole scene is not region lock. There are way too less tournaments and these tournaments are spread among hundreds of different organizers. Plus the prize pool distribution is bad in most cases, since they reward only high placed players. I would recommend a prize pool distribution like they do on Pokerstars by 15-20% of players get a share of it.

Also: Do korean players get money when they reach into Code S by just making into it? If not, do so.

Code S has money no matter what your placement is, so in a way yes. You can go 0-4 and still get money just for qualifying into code S.
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2634 Posts
August 04 2018 13:07 GMT
#1109
On August 04 2018 21:59 WhiteSPiriT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament.

I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


This is very true.



how is this "very" true? people have been cheering for foreigners since the very first days of starcraft 2 (Thorzain, HuK, iDra..) now suddenly when a foreigner wins elitists here making up excuses for that and blaming blizzard for it? everyone believing that the korean sc2 scene is declining because of region lock alone is delusional.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 04 2018 13:09 GMT
#1110
On August 04 2018 22:03 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:52 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:49 Adramelech1 wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament.

I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


I don't think anyone here is pissed. You and maybe 2 more fools are throwing a temper tantrum in here and that's about it.

I'm not throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not watching most of the SC2 content anyway, why would I? Maru is out, Rogue is out, I don't care. I just hate the blatant racism about region locking WCS and not caring about Korea. Serral is good, but I would rather see a good Foreign Terran, but I saw only good Protosses and Zergs

Edit> If you check my post history, it's far from anything but temper tantrum. We have a saying in Czech Republic about this situation and I cannot stop laughing after your response, thanks man.

I mean, you obviously have to tell us that saying now. Translated to english ofc


I would like to know which saying he means as well
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
August 04 2018 13:10 GMT
#1111
On August 04 2018 22:09 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 22:03 Penev wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:52 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:49 Adramelech1 wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
[quote]
I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


I don't think anyone here is pissed. You and maybe 2 more fools are throwing a temper tantrum in here and that's about it.

I'm not throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not watching most of the SC2 content anyway, why would I? Maru is out, Rogue is out, I don't care. I just hate the blatant racism about region locking WCS and not caring about Korea. Serral is good, but I would rather see a good Foreign Terran, but I saw only good Protosses and Zergs

Edit> If you check my post history, it's far from anything but temper tantrum. We have a saying in Czech Republic about this situation and I cannot stop laughing after your response, thanks man.

I mean, you obviously have to tell us that saying now. Translated to english ofc


I would like to know which saying he means as well

Darn, I was hoping you could help out if he doesn't deliver
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
August 04 2018 13:13 GMT
#1112
Does the final start at 8:00 cest or is the team competition first?
starcraft2.fi
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16084 Posts
August 04 2018 13:13 GMT
#1113
On August 04 2018 22:07 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 21:59 WhiteSPiriT wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament.

I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there.


Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.

I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective.

I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.


Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...

Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.

Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.

I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets

IMO


This is very true.



how is this "very" true? people have been cheering for foreigners since the very first days of starcraft 2 (Thorzain, HuK, iDra..) now suddenly when a foreigner wins elitists here making up excuses for that and blaming blizzard for it? everyone believing that the korean sc2 scene is declining because of region lock alone is delusional.

There is nobody that believes the korean sc2 scene is declining because of region lock alone.
SC2 in korea was never healthy to begin with and the matchfixing scandal damaged the scene even further.
However region-locking (and the lack thereof in the GSL) right now prevents any new blood coming into the scene preventing any hope for the korean scene from recovering.
Soon the remaining players will leave for military and without new blood the korean scene will be effectively dead.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
August 04 2018 13:15 GMT
#1114
On August 04 2018 22:13 Azhrak wrote:
Does the final start at 8:00 cest or is the team competition first?

Teams first.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 13:20:41
August 04 2018 13:20 GMT
#1115
gsl group crushed
rogue crushed
homestorycup easy win

losing vs serrall and everyone on teamliquid: well innovation isnt that good of a terran

dark not losing to a foreign in ever then loosing to serral and the people are like "well he isnt that good"

... why can no one accept serral is just crushing the koreans right now ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 04 2018 13:21 GMT
#1116
I didnt imagine there would be this many buthurt people after some foreigner success
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 13:24:14
August 04 2018 13:23 GMT
#1117
On August 04 2018 22:20 Drake wrote:
gsl group crushed
rogue crushed
homestorycup easy win

losing vs serrall and everyone on teamliquid: well innovation isnt that good of a terran

Well he isn't exactly Maru, or even TY. Still a top 3-4 terran.

But his match against Serral wasn't that impressive. He did almost the same build for like 6 or 7 TvZs in a row and Serral exploited it's weaknesses and crushed him.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
August 04 2018 13:28 GMT
#1118
On August 04 2018 22:23 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 22:20 Drake wrote:
gsl group crushed
rogue crushed
homestorycup easy win

losing vs serrall and everyone on teamliquid: well innovation isnt that good of a terran

Well he isn't exactly Maru, or even TY. Still a top 3-4 terran.

But his match against Serral wasn't that impressive. He did almost the same build for like 6 or 7 TvZs in a row and Serral exploited it's weaknesses and crushed him.


TY, Maru, Cure, Gumiho, how is INno top 4 ?
TL+ Member
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 04 2018 13:36 GMT
#1119
On August 04 2018 22:28 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 22:23 Fango wrote:
On August 04 2018 22:20 Drake wrote:
gsl group crushed
rogue crushed
homestorycup easy win

losing vs serrall and everyone on teamliquid: well innovation isnt that good of a terran

Well he isn't exactly Maru, or even TY. Still a top 3-4 terran.

But his match against Serral wasn't that impressive. He did almost the same build for like 6 or 7 TvZs in a row and Serral exploited it's weaknesses and crushed him.


TY, Maru, Cure, Gumiho, how is INno top 4 ?


And people wonder why we support you in TLMCAT so much
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
August 04 2018 13:55 GMT
#1120
On August 04 2018 22:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I didnt imagine there would be this many buthurt people after some foreigner success

it's TL what did you expect
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