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On August 04 2018 21:35 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:30 Penev wrote:On August 04 2018 21:27 Parrek wrote:On August 04 2018 21:25 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:20 Parrek wrote:On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:
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Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value.
I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets  IMO I don't think people pretend everything is fine. Just they realize that Korea has to sustain itself and until it does that, what's done is done. It'd be fun to see more Korean events next year when they revise the system (since I'm really confident they won't shrink or drop us with the massive growth we have this year.), but Korean SC2 has to revive itself. The non-Korean scene did not revive or sustain itself either, it was put on life support by Blizzard until it could finally breathe again. But that life support has allowed it to revive and sustain itself significantly better than before. Isn't it still on life support? Serral is just 1 guy. Let's test it and end region lock next year I'm referring to popularity life support and not skill. When the region lock was instigated, crowds were tiny, viewership was at an all time low, production value sucked, and ESL was telling Blizzard to region lock or they'd drop SC2. Since then we have packed every stage they put out for us (remember Leipzig 2016's tiny stage?), viewership kept growing, and people have just gotten more excited for SC2 than in a long time.
I feel like most of this can be attributed to free-to-play and not so much to region lock. Hard to tell
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On August 04 2018 21:36 DieuCure wrote:
This tournament only confirms that the Korean zergs are quite weak, which explains their lack of victory in GSL on lotv.
How does it confirm korean zergs are any weaker than korean terran or protoss?
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On August 04 2018 21:36 Azzur wrote:
When Serral came to this tournament it was he hasn't beaten koreans blah blah blah... then it was the koreans he beat aren't that great blah blah blah... you can only beat who comes your way... take that korean elitists!!
well said ^^ imagine neeb would have won, then it would be completely normal since he is the best player in the world/power rank #1 / etc etc....
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I'm reading all that and kind of I still don't understand community. What kind of future do we have then? Within in the next 2 years we will lose the (amost) entire Korean scene. herO (25), Stats (26), INnoVation (25), soO (25), Zest (26), Classic (26), ByuN (25), Ryung (27), GuMiho (25) and TRUE (26). They will go to the army. And you argue so smooth and easy about the gap?
And people are still discussing or defending "Region-lock"? Damn, honestly, I don't understand the standards of sc2. If anyone can explain me something, please, I'll be happy to read it.
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On August 04 2018 21:34 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:21 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:18 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:16 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it. My opinion on Inno's form is that he is currently worse than he was at any point in 2017. I think that, and him still being a competent player who is good at brute forcing the opposition, can both be true. Obviously he's not a world-beater, but his style of play does work against people who are ill-prepared, and even Serral's ability to so utterly defeat it makes me less worried for his ZvT. Big questions are just late-game ZvT and if his ZvP is still as good (which honestly could be answered vs Stats, but at the same time a lot of top koreans apparently suck at PvZ, so who really knows.) To be honest I think Inno has reached a point where his mechanics are slowly deteriorating and he can't bludgeon people as easily. But if you give him long enough to prepare for a specific player he'd probably find some really hideous builds that can make up for that. You'd probably say the same at times in 2014, 2016 etc. You never know if he's gonna win GSL next season then not qualify the season after (it's happened).
His micro (especially splitting) is getting worse and his reactions are getting slower. He can still win tournaments, without question. But I think him just bludgeoning people with mechanics alone will get more and more rare. Admittedly, him relying on clever builds & strategies to beat people over raw mechanics has happened since 2015.
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On August 04 2018 21:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:31 Durnuu wrote:On August 04 2018 21:30 Penev wrote:On August 04 2018 21:27 Parrek wrote:On August 04 2018 21:25 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:20 Parrek wrote:On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:
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I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets IMO I don't think people pretend everything is fine. Just they realize that Korea has to sustain itself and until it does that, what's done is done. It'd be fun to see more Korean events next year when they revise the system (since I'm really confident they won't shrink or drop us with the massive growth we have this year.), but Korean SC2 has to revive itself. The non-Korean scene did not revive or sustain itself either, it was put on life support by Blizzard until it could finally breathe again. But that life support has allowed it to revive and sustain itself significantly better than before. Isn't it still on life support? Serral is just 1 guy. Let's test it and end region lock next year Yeah I feel like both scenes are on life support. There aren't any new players coming in whether foreign or korean Clem & Reynor  The WCS scene definitely has better opportunity for new talent to make a splash. In Korea if you don't qualify you're out. In WCS if you don't qualify you book a flight. And pray Dreamhack doesn't arbitrarily skip you on the waiting list.
Don't forget Neeb and Serral. They're HotS players, but people don't go pro in a year. Heck even Reynor and Clem were playing in some events back in 2013. Either way, there's plenty of new top tier players for the foreign scene
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I just wish there were more actual global events. 1, 2 maybe if possible and don't dump so much funds on Blizzcon. I realize organizing tournaments cost way more than just the prize money but still.
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On August 04 2018 21:39 dummy1 wrote:
I'm reading all that and kind of I still don't understand community. What kind of future do we have then? Within in the next 2 years we will lose the (amost) entire Korean scene. herO (25), Stats (26), INnoVation (25), soO (25), Zest (26), Classic (26), ByuN (25), Ryung (27), GuMiho (25) amd TRUE (26). They will go to the army. And you argue so smooth and easy about the gap?
And people are still discussing or defending "Region-lock"? Damn, honestly, I don't understand the standards of sc2. If anyone can explain me something, please, I'll be happy to read it.
The future is we have a sustainable foreign scene with ever increasing popularity. I want to see Korea revive itself, but even a 20 year old BW is more popular in Korea. I think we should help Korea and hopefully find a way to fund amateur level events to encourage more new Koreans to play, but the interest just doesn't seem to be there and Korea shot itself in the foot a few times with various match fixing scandals.
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On August 04 2018 21:36 Azzur wrote:
When Serral came to this tournament it was he hasn't beaten koreans blah blah blah... then it was the koreans he beat aren't that great blah blah blah... you can only beat who comes your way... take that korean elitists!!
Global Starcraft 2 League.
He will meet many more Kore4ans there
On August 04 2018 21:43 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:39 dummy1 wrote:
I'm reading all that and kind of I still don't understand community. What kind of future do we have then? Within in the next 2 years we will lose the (amost) entire Korean scene. herO (25), Stats (26), INnoVation (25), soO (25), Zest (26), Classic (26), ByuN (25), Ryung (27), GuMiho (25) amd TRUE (26). They will go to the army. And you argue so smooth and easy about the gap?
And people are still discussing or defending "Region-lock"? Damn, honestly, I don't understand the standards of sc2. If anyone can explain me something, please, I'll be happy to read it. The future is we have a sustainable foreign scene with ever increasing popularity. I want to see Korea revive itself, but even a 20 year old BW is more popular in Korea. I think we should help Korea and hopefully find a way to fund amateur level events to encourage more new Koreans to play, but the interest just doesn't seem to be there and Korea shot itself in the foot a few times with various match fixing scandals.
It's not about match fixing, we have in Korea around 28 ro32 players. More or less, then we have foreigners in the house. There's no space for the new talent to grow as if you don't succeed in GSL qualifiers you're out for 1/3 of the year. ANd in online Korean cups foregienrs are there too.
We need to make some space for new talents and we cannot create the new space by allowing foreigners to take spots. Once the army calls there will be spots but there won't be SC2 in the Korea because the standards will fall way too low.
And I find hypocritical that when this was mentioned on The Pylon Show Artosis & Incontrol said that foreigners are not taking that much money so it's fine. I hate the fact that not even one important SC2 figure isn't talking about it. There's no discussion other than between us. But noone cares about us, noone listens to us... at this moment I feel it would be better if Blizzard pulled the pluck for good because maybe then the SC2 can revive a-la SC:BW scene. Sure, Korea will fall, but at least we would see realistical competition instead of this hypocritical racism
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On August 04 2018 21:42 Penev wrote:
I just wish there were more actual global events. 1, 2 maybe if possible and don't dump so much funds on Blizzcon. I realize organizing tournaments cost way more than just the prize money but still.
I think funding prize pools for other tournaments would be a better use of War Chest money than upping Blizzcon & Katowice prize pools (which are already staggering anyway).
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On August 04 2018 21:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:34 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:21 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:18 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:16 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:
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I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it. My opinion on Inno's form is that he is currently worse than he was at any point in 2017. I think that, and him still being a competent player who is good at brute forcing the opposition, can both be true. Obviously he's not a world-beater, but his style of play does work against people who are ill-prepared, and even Serral's ability to so utterly defeat it makes me less worried for his ZvT. Big questions are just late-game ZvT and if his ZvP is still as good (which honestly could be answered vs Stats, but at the same time a lot of top koreans apparently suck at PvZ, so who really knows.) To be honest I think Inno has reached a point where his mechanics are slowly deteriorating and he can't bludgeon people as easily. But if you give him long enough to prepare for a specific player he'd probably find some really hideous builds that can make up for that. You'd probably say the same at times in 2014, 2016 etc. You never know if he's gonna win GSL next season then not qualify the season after (it's happened). His micro (especially splitting) is getting worse and his reactions are getting slower. He can still win tournaments, without question. But I think him just bludgeoning people with mechanics alone will get more and more rare. Admittedly, him relying on clever builds & strategies to beat people over raw mechanics has happened since 2015.
Maybe, but he sucked at everything in 2016 and points in 2014.
Just wait for terran to dominate and he'll be the best in the world again.
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A bit offtopic, but apparently Serral is going to the next HomeStory Cup:
On August 04 2018 21:39 dummy1 wrote:
I'm reading all that and kind of I still don't understand community. What kind of future do we have then? Within in the next 2 years we will lose the (amost) entire Korean scene. herO (25), Stats (26), INnoVation (25), soO (25), Zest (26), Classic (26), ByuN (25), Ryung (27), GuMiho (25) and TRUE (26). They will go to the army. And you argue so smooth and easy about the gap?
And people are still discussing or defending "Region-lock"? Damn, honestly, I don't understand the standards of sc2. If anyone can explain me something, please, I'll be happy to read it.
How would not having region-lock help out?
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On August 04 2018 21:38 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:36 DieuCure wrote:
This tournament only confirms that the Korean zergs are quite weak, which explains their lack of victory in GSL on lotv. How does it confirm korean zergs are any weaker than korean terran or protoss?
Because they struggle as much as foreigners against koreans.
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On August 04 2018 21:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:42 Penev wrote:
I just wish there were more actual global events. 1, 2 maybe if possible and don't dump so much funds on Blizzcon. I realize organizing tournaments cost way more than just the prize money but still. I think funding prize pools for other tournaments would be a better use of War Chest money than upping Blizzcon & Katowice prize pools (which are already staggering anyway).
Prize pool is a small expense compared to flights, hotels, staff salary and venues.
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France12904 Posts
Haha I bet Serral!
Serral is so good it’s unbelievable
Trashing overrated Koreans left and right :D
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On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets IMO
I don't think anyone here is pissed. You and maybe 2 more fools are throwing a temper tantrum in here and that's about it.
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On August 04 2018 21:47 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:44 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 21:42 Penev wrote:
I just wish there were more actual global events. 1, 2 maybe if possible and don't dump so much funds on Blizzcon. I realize organizing tournaments cost way more than just the prize money but still. I think funding prize pools for other tournaments would be a better use of War Chest money than upping Blizzcon & Katowice prize pools (which are already staggering anyway). Prize pool is a small expense compared to flights, hotels, staff salary and venues.
That was meant to say prize pools etc.
If they can up the Blizzcon prize pool by 200k with one War Chest, they can cover a fair amount of costs of just holding a tournament. I don't expect them to book a stadium, of course.
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On August 04 2018 21:46 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:38 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:36 DieuCure wrote:
This tournament only confirms that the Korean zergs are quite weak, which explains their lack of victory in GSL on lotv. How does it confirm korean zergs are any weaker than korean terran or protoss? Because they struggle as much as foreigners against koreans.
They really don't.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 04 2018 21:49 Adramelech1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets IMO I don't think anyone here is pissed. You and maybe 2 more fools are throwing a temper tantrum in here and that's about it.
I'm not throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not watching most of the SC2 content anyway, why would I? Maru is out, Rogue is out, I don't care. I just hate the blatant racism about region locking WCS and not caring about Korea. Serral is good, but I would rather see a good Foreign Terran, but I saw only good Protosses and Zergs
Edit> If you check my post history, it's far from anything but temper tantrum. We have a saying in Czech Republic about this situation and I cannot stop laughing after your response, thanks man.
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But I think we are all forgetting that Serral being at 3000 aligulac points is the real story here.
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