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Canada2764 Posts
On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well.
You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it.
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On August 04 2018 21:03 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:00 Charoisaur wrote:On August 04 2018 20:57 gophersnake wrote:On August 04 2018 20:55 Charoisaur wrote:
nice map Both players on are the same map. Serral just understood how exploit it better I just prefer it when a player wins by better micro/macro and not because he abused certain map features better. Of course Serral did that in the other games he won but this was a disappointing way to decide the series. That's what you do to win though. Players abuse the positioning of mains and thirds, they abuse ramps and map features and dead space all the time. That is often how you micro better. This takes it a bit to the extreme, but this is such a different style of game that it's great to watch it
Considering all the abusive tanks spots on the maps of the ladder, it seems hilarious that he complains about it after watching a miror.
They played the same race, on same map, with the same opener. Serral has just played it better.
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On August 04 2018 21:08 Parrek wrote:One the bright side, this is still the match for the world championships since Stats is the unofficial World Champion
Not necessarily, stats could lose in the team match :D
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On August 04 2018 21:09 Terra1 wrote:
So, only Innovation vs Serral and Dark vs Serral am I wrong. The rest of the LB are correct, especially Stats vs Maru. Damn! How many here would still vote for Stats in the LB over Serral?
I bet if you bet Stats you're going to do well in liquibets if bets I mean Stats wins
after also having the Stats over Maru bet right
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On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.
I mean, with all TvZ's I've seen recently from both, I did get the impression that TY is better at it than Inno at this point. But a hypothetical match against player who didn't even get through the popularity vote doesn't matter. Serral beat top 3 players of their races (and yes, I still consider Inno a top 3 Terran even though he's just actually bad compared to his best) and looked very good. And the finals could be really cool.
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On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it.
INno isn't really on form though. I predicted Serral was gonna beat him for that reason (and he's the most predictable player in korea). Or at least he's not in his typical season 3 form where he wins. TY is much more consistant, it's rare to see a bad performance from him in a big event.
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On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament.
Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ...
Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.
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So the team match will be before the finals tommorow?
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On August 04 2018 21:13 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it. INno isn't really on form though. I predicted Serral was gonna beat him for that reason (and he's the most predictable player in korea). Or at least he's not in his typical season 3 form where he wins. TY is much more consistant, it's rare to see a bad performance from him in a big event.
TY always has a bad performance at some point. And sometimes that point is when he's already up 2-0 and made his opponent look leagues below him in the first 2 games.
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On August 04 2018 21:14 ChaosArcher wrote:
So the team match will be before the finals tommorow?
Yes
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Canada2764 Posts
On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY.
Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.
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On August 04 2018 21:14 ChaosArcher wrote:
So the team match will be before the finals tommorow?
Yup
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On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it.
My opinion on Inno's form is that he is currently still worse than he was at any point in 2017.
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Gsl is joke now. Serral is joke now. This is joke now. We should just stop to watch this bulshit
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On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.
Fair enough then.
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Canada2764 Posts
On August 04 2018 21:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:11 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:09 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. TY and Maru would certainly be more impressive. Stats is up there as well. You really think TY would be more impressive than INno? Personally I think INno - especially an on-form INno, which people were thinking this was until Serral smacked him - is a good test of if Serral can defend and defeat consistent well-played pressure in early-mid pushes which was his big issue last year. Now you do have some late-game concerns (more question marks than concerns, really) and I would've liked to see him play Maru for that, but he did show new stuff and I was happy to see it. My opinion on Inno's form is that he is currently worse than he was at any point in 2017.
I think that, and him still being a competent player who is good at brute forcing the opposition, can both be true. Obviously he's not a world-beater, but his style of play does work against people who are ill-prepared, and even Serral's ability to so utterly defeat it makes me less worried for his ZvT. Big questions are just late-game ZvT and if his ZvP is still as good (which honestly could be answered vs Stats, but at the same time a lot of top koreans apparently suck at PvZ, so who really knows.)
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On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others.
I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets 
IMO
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But hey that will be a hype final tomorrow
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On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets IMO
I don't think people pretend everything is fine. Just they realize that Korea has to sustain itself and until it does that, what's done is done. It'd be fun to see more Korean events next year when they revise the system (since I'm really confident they won't shrink or drop us with the massive growth we have this year.), but Korean SC2 has to revive itself.
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On August 04 2018 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 21:15 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:13 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:05 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:03 opisska wrote:On August 04 2018 21:01 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 21:00 opisska wrote:
The only setback here is that the koreans that serral plays are great on name value but not the absolute top when it comes to current form. But this is honestly the best matchups we could ever hope for from this absurdly made tournament. I dunno man. He played #4 and #3 on the community PR back to back and wrecked both pretty thoroughly. Stats is an iffy finals opponent but at the same time it's one more test for his ZvP and we'll just have to see the game quality when we get there. Yes, and that #4 on community rank clearly happened because of name value. I am honestly not sure if you are trolling the whole day or are that insanely blinded by your Serral love. The guy is the best we had in a long time on this side of Siberia, but one has to see some perspective. I mean, I'm not really sure what I'm said that's TOO far over the top. I'm just saying INnoVation and Dark have both shown at least flashes of good play as of late (I mean, god, INno -just- got done beating Rogue) - that doesn't mean that they're automatically the best ever and Serral's the best player in the world for beating them, but it's a damn good thing to add to his resume and I don't really know if I could line up 3 harder players. Like, sure, Maru in the finals would be more hype, but is TY and Rogue really much better than INno and Dark? Not really. He proved that his ZvT is pretty good and that his ZvZ is damn good, at least it was this tournament. Well both Inno and Dark went out in Ro16 last GSL (and there is not that much of substance to judge since then, sadly), that alone is a testament Those two are in this tourney solely based on name value, because this thing is based on the worst method of participant selection in existence, "community voting". That doesn't mean that they aren't good players, but they just damage the story of "Serral vs. Korea" purely by being here. They definitely aren't the #3 and #4 players in Korea right now ... Yes, Serral's run is gonna be legendary no matter what, but it could have been better. With how easily he destroyed Inno, he could have a reasonable shot on Maru (who is here, but he missed him due to bad format of single elim) and TY. Yeah for sure I would've loved to see Serral vs Maru. I'm mostly just teasing about how hard some people underrate Serral; I don't really have any problem with what you're saying, and if you still have questions about how Serral would play against TY/Maru, that's completely fair. I'm not gonna immediately say "yup, Serral would beat anyone else in korea" - this really just establishes him as actually being the player he looked like, in my eyes. Which is a top-tier player who is elite in some match-ups and only good in others. I believe many people here are just pissed because how hard casters are pushing forward foreigners while Koreans are region locked, are losing money in GSL because of Foreigners and on the Pytlon show everyone is pretending everything is fine. Many people here just don't like what they're seeing and that's why they ... not underestimate, but hate the teacher's pet. ANd Serral(ang generally speaking all foreigners) are those teacher's pets IMO
Well said
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