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[GSL] GSL vs. The World - Day 3 - Page 57

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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 04 2018 14:00 GMT
#1121
Imo if Serral wins the finals he's #3 in the world after Maru and Rogue.. maybe you could argue for Classic being above him as well but that's it
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 14:02 GMT
#1122
Look, I've always been someone who rooted for foreigners because they were the UNDERDOG. That's the story I tend to support, not just in starcraft. And guess what? They still are. Serral may be the best starcraft 2 player now, but that doesn't mean "World" is stronger than Korean starcraft. The quality of depth in Korea waaay outperforms players not named Serral. Maybe one day the gap will actually close. And that will be when I won't be rooting for foreigners.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 04 2018 14:03 GMT
#1123
Serral 3-0 Innovation and 3-1 Dark, wow! Too bad Maru lost and we were denied the true finals
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 14:15:36
August 04 2018 14:14 GMT
#1124
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 04 2018 14:17 GMT
#1125
Oh wow Stats beat Maru? This'll be a great final anyhow.
Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
August 04 2018 14:19 GMT
#1126
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.


Solar did not look even remotely as dominating as Serral did beating both of them though. When you see that even Dark has problems defending against Serral's multi-pronged attack, you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.
Chinese teams flair when
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 04 2018 14:26 GMT
#1127
On August 04 2018 23:19 Colouss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.

you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.

That's exactly my point. If you swapped soO and Serral's positions and results in this tournament people still wouldn't call soO the best in the world. Nationality doesn't mean anything, my point is that beating two top koreans (both got ro16 or higher in the GSLs this year) isn't convivincing enough for anyone except Serral.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 04 2018 14:27 GMT
#1128
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.


It is overhasty to call Serral the very best, but there is context that makes it understandable. He's been crushing the WCS circuit all year, and people have pointed out that his ZvT was his weakest match-up and rather untested against top opposition (and rightly so). So a crushing victory against an INno who just beat Rogue says a lot to people (also the other people hailed as best in the world didn't have a great tournament so there's a vacuum at the top).
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 04 2018 14:53 GMT
#1129
On August 04 2018 22:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I didnt imagine there would be this many buthurt people after some foreigner success


losing LB's do strange things to people
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 14:54 GMT
#1130
I think it's safe to say there is a pretty obvious best player at each race.
Terran -> Maru
Zerg -> Serral
Protoss -> Stats

The only reason I wouldn't say Serral is best is that he hasn't shown enough games against Koreans. I wouldn't argue for or against Serral being the strongest. However, it definitely could be a case of the old "triangle" where Serral can beat Stats (he is favored to tomorrow), Stats beats Maru, but Maru beats Serral (he very well could). Just based on their matchups and playstyles
immanentblue
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark110 Posts
August 04 2018 15:00 GMT
#1131
its a weird discussion whether someone is the best in the world. in my mind the reigning gsl champion should allways be considered the best in the world, so until serral wins a gsl, lets hold back on that one. but people have been questioning his skill for a long time, and if anything today shows that there is no legitimate point to be made that he would not fare well against the koreans. he does just fine against them. now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
August 04 2018 15:01 GMT
#1132
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
August 04 2018 15:05 GMT
#1133
On August 04 2018 23:26 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 23:19 Colouss wrote:
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.

you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.

That's exactly my point. If you swapped soO and Serral's positions and results in this tournament people still wouldn't call soO the best in the world. Nationality doesn't mean anything, my point is that beating two top koreans (both got ro16 or higher in the GSLs this year) isn't convivincing enough for anyone except Serral.

soO mechanics are nowhere near as good as Serral tho.
He is too old now and his spirit is crushed
WriterMaru
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
August 04 2018 15:07 GMT
#1134
The denialism is insane. It was quite obvious he was already a top player before this tournament.

Serral just didn't beat innovation and dark, there's a long history of him absolutely terrorizing the foreigner scene, and doing really well vs top koreans, he just dismantled 2 of the top 2 korean players back to back in dominating fashion.

The other hilarious thing is "Korean zergs are bad" when Dark has trounced foreigners harder than anyone else.

immanentblue
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark110 Posts
August 04 2018 15:25 GMT
#1135
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
August 04 2018 15:26 GMT
#1136
On August 05 2018 00:25 immanentblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart


nope. it makes zero financial sense
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
August 04 2018 15:42 GMT
#1137
How epic would a maru vs serral finals be... far out STATS!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12497 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 16:07:43
August 04 2018 16:07 GMT
#1138
Damn it stats, why deny us Maru vs serral
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 16:52 GMT
#1139
Were the games between Maru and Stats close? From what I can tell, it wasn't necessarily a great series by Maru. What happened?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16006 Posts
August 04 2018 16:57 GMT
#1140
On August 05 2018 00:26 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:25 immanentblue wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart


nope. it makes zero financial sense

Then why are other foreigners competing in GSL?
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