• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:08
CEST 14:08
KST 21:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Data needed Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4851 users

[GSL] GSL vs. The World - Day 3 - Page 57

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 55 56 57 58 59 Next
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 04 2018 14:00 GMT
#1121
Imo if Serral wins the finals he's #3 in the world after Maru and Rogue.. maybe you could argue for Classic being above him as well but that's it
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 14:02 GMT
#1122
Look, I've always been someone who rooted for foreigners because they were the UNDERDOG. That's the story I tend to support, not just in starcraft. And guess what? They still are. Serral may be the best starcraft 2 player now, but that doesn't mean "World" is stronger than Korean starcraft. The quality of depth in Korea waaay outperforms players not named Serral. Maybe one day the gap will actually close. And that will be when I won't be rooting for foreigners.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 04 2018 14:03 GMT
#1123
Serral 3-0 Innovation and 3-1 Dark, wow! Too bad Maru lost and we were denied the true finals
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 14:15:36
August 04 2018 14:14 GMT
#1124
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 04 2018 14:17 GMT
#1125
Oh wow Stats beat Maru? This'll be a great final anyhow.
Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
August 04 2018 14:19 GMT
#1126
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.


Solar did not look even remotely as dominating as Serral did beating both of them though. When you see that even Dark has problems defending against Serral's multi-pronged attack, you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.
Chinese teams flair when
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 04 2018 14:26 GMT
#1127
On August 04 2018 23:19 Colouss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.

you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.

That's exactly my point. If you swapped soO and Serral's positions and results in this tournament people still wouldn't call soO the best in the world. Nationality doesn't mean anything, my point is that beating two top koreans (both got ro16 or higher in the GSLs this year) isn't convivincing enough for anyone except Serral.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 04 2018 14:27 GMT
#1128
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.


It is overhasty to call Serral the very best, but there is context that makes it understandable. He's been crushing the WCS circuit all year, and people have pointed out that his ZvT was his weakest match-up and rather untested against top opposition (and rightly so). So a crushing victory against an INno who just beat Rogue says a lot to people (also the other people hailed as best in the world didn't have a great tournament so there's a vacuum at the top).
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 04 2018 14:53 GMT
#1129
On August 04 2018 22:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I didnt imagine there would be this many buthurt people after some foreigner success


losing LB's do strange things to people
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 14:54 GMT
#1130
I think it's safe to say there is a pretty obvious best player at each race.
Terran -> Maru
Zerg -> Serral
Protoss -> Stats

The only reason I wouldn't say Serral is best is that he hasn't shown enough games against Koreans. I wouldn't argue for or against Serral being the strongest. However, it definitely could be a case of the old "triangle" where Serral can beat Stats (he is favored to tomorrow), Stats beats Maru, but Maru beats Serral (he very well could). Just based on their matchups and playstyles
immanentblue
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark110 Posts
August 04 2018 15:00 GMT
#1131
its a weird discussion whether someone is the best in the world. in my mind the reigning gsl champion should allways be considered the best in the world, so until serral wins a gsl, lets hold back on that one. but people have been questioning his skill for a long time, and if anything today shows that there is no legitimate point to be made that he would not fare well against the koreans. he does just fine against them. now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia244 Posts
August 04 2018 15:01 GMT
#1132
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12986 Posts
August 04 2018 15:05 GMT
#1133
On August 04 2018 23:26 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 23:19 Colouss wrote:
On August 04 2018 23:14 Fango wrote:
People are really calling Serral the best player in the world already after beating INno and Dark? It's impressive but not that shocking. I'm not sure if someone like soO did the same that people would even think they're top 5. Hell Solar beat both of them at Katowice and didn't make most people's top 10.

you'd need to cast aside the player's nationality and acknowledge their skills.

That's exactly my point. If you swapped soO and Serral's positions and results in this tournament people still wouldn't call soO the best in the world. Nationality doesn't mean anything, my point is that beating two top koreans (both got ro16 or higher in the GSLs this year) isn't convivincing enough for anyone except Serral.

soO mechanics are nowhere near as good as Serral tho.
He is too old now and his spirit is crushed
WriterMaru
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
August 04 2018 15:07 GMT
#1134
The denialism is insane. It was quite obvious he was already a top player before this tournament.

Serral just didn't beat innovation and dark, there's a long history of him absolutely terrorizing the foreigner scene, and doing really well vs top koreans, he just dismantled 2 of the top 2 korean players back to back in dominating fashion.

The other hilarious thing is "Korean zergs are bad" when Dark has trounced foreigners harder than anyone else.

immanentblue
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark110 Posts
August 04 2018 15:25 GMT
#1135
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia244 Posts
August 04 2018 15:26 GMT
#1136
On August 05 2018 00:25 immanentblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart


nope. it makes zero financial sense
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
August 04 2018 15:42 GMT
#1137
How epic would a maru vs serral finals be... far out STATS!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12759 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 16:07:43
August 04 2018 16:07 GMT
#1138
Damn it stats, why deny us Maru vs serral
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2018 16:52 GMT
#1139
Were the games between Maru and Stats close? From what I can tell, it wasn't necessarily a great series by Maru. What happened?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16084 Posts
August 04 2018 16:57 GMT
#1140
On August 05 2018 00:26 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 00:25 immanentblue wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:01 dankobanana wrote:
On August 05 2018 00:00 immanentblue wrote:
now lets have him actually move to korea and go through a real gsl :D


never gonna happen


dont you think a win tomorrow might ignite a spark of desire for the ultimate glory that is inherently his destiny, inside his cold emotionless finnish heart


nope. it makes zero financial sense

Then why are other foreigners competing in GSL?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Prev 1 55 56 57 58 59 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
#14
IntoTheiNu 805
RotterdaM514
SteadfastSC233
TKL 222
IndyStarCraft 110
Ryung 106
Rex96
Liquipedia
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 100
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 514
Lowko355
SteadfastSC 233
TKL 222
IndyStarCraft 110
Ryung 106
Rex 96
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 53725
actioN 1870
Shuttle 1273
BeSt 659
Jaedong 612
Soulkey 554
Mini 367
Hyun 249
EffOrt 236
Stork 218
[ Show more ]
Soma 203
firebathero 178
Last 162
Mong 154
Dewaltoss 147
Light 133
Larva 122
ggaemo 100
Snow 95
Rush 86
PianO 63
Free 55
Movie 50
hero 47
[sc1f]eonzerg 36
ToSsGirL 35
Sharp 31
scan(afreeca) 24
Shine 22
Bale 21
HiyA 18
Icarus 17
IntoTheRainbow 16
Sacsri 15
Noble 14
Barracks 11
sorry 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
zelot 8
Purpose 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6235
Dendi925
XaKoH 274
League of Legends
JimRising 308
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1940
byalli395
kRYSTAL_50
Other Games
B2W.Neo333
Mew2King98
BEARDiaguz10
Hui .1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick23450
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP66
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota282
Other Games
• WagamamaTV183
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
20h 52m
CrankTV Team League
22h 52m
OSC
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.