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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On August 05 2018 01:52 TentativePanda wrote: Were the games between Maru and Stats close? From what I can tell, it wasn't necessarily a great series by Maru. What happened? Maru didn't seem to have an answer to Stats' 4 Collossus timing attack that won him every game | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 05 2018 01:57 Charoisaur wrote: Then why are other foreigners competing in GSL? Running from Serral in WCS. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On August 05 2018 01:59 Charoisaur wrote: Maru didn't seem to have an answer to Stats' 4 Collossus timing attack that won him every game That seems oversimplified. | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On August 05 2018 01:57 Charoisaur wrote: Then why are other foreigners competing in GSL? Because they are too bad to compete against Serral so they hope to make gsl ro8 by bracket luck since there are only 10 decent Koreans left | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 05 2018 01:59 Charoisaur wrote: Maru didn't seem to have an answer to Stats' 4 Collossus timing attack that won him every game Maru had answers. In game 3 he won the fight with double the army supply left over. If most his army didn't run into stasis traps he probably runs accross the map and wins. In game 4 he got a quick raven, which on paper is a good counter. Just didn't work in practice | ||
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sharkie
Austria18625 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On August 05 2018 03:59 Fango wrote: Maru had answers. In game 3 he won the fight with double the army supply left over. If most his army didn't run into stasis traps he probably runs accross the map and wins. In game 4 he got a quick raven, which on paper is a good counter. Just didn't work in practice He won the fight but lost most of his workers and his 3rd. The stasis ward wasn't really that impactful. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23848 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:03 sharkie wrote: wtf are these results? Are Innovation and Dark just not good anymore or is Serral world class? I haven't watched much in a year or so and I'm wondering the same thing. Serral did seem to keep up mechanically more than I remember most foreigners doing. Not sure if that's because the Koreans lost a step or what though. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:03 sharkie wrote: wtf are these results? Are Innovation and Dark just not good anymore or is Serral world class? They aren't as good as their peaks. They both lost in GSL ro16 last season for example. But Serral is definitely world class as well. | ||
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It's britney bitch
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:46 It's britney bitch wrote: I dunno why some people at TL seem to take almost as personal attack whenever foreigners do good. However for korean pros they gladly welcome it as the West has higher potential of spectators and larger player pool which means better prize pool and team sponsors for everyone. You would like to have as international scene as possible for any game, that is the best scenario for all the players. like for cs and dota. Sc2 is still not a huge game, it would barely make Steam top20 in player pool and activity but it is the undisputed number one rts and best 1on1 esport. Having argued and listened to a lot of people who are less favourable towards foreigners, I have a good idea. The first is that it's annoying whenever a foreigner does decently well and people proclaim him as the best in the world. Like, they're happy a person does well, but it doesn't mean that same message has to be spread around every thread. Second, some people view foreigner success as coming at the expense of Korean Starcraft, which is like the Mecca of Starcraft. So yes, he's doing well, but he is benefiting from a closed system. Third, some people are genuinely elitists and more than a bit racist against foreigners. And personally, I'm definitely rooting for Serral, but I also recognize that even if he wins the whole event, it is just one event. He is playing masterfully, but one event and a handful of games does not mean that he should be overhyped. Players who have competed at the top like Maru and continue do dominate deserve the hype. | ||
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Frumsan
Sweden117 Posts
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:46 It's britney bitch wrote: I dunno why some people at TL seem to take almost as personal attack whenever foreigners do good. However for korean pros they gladly welcome it as the West has higher potential of spectators and larger player pool which means better prize pool and team sponsors for everyone. You would like to have as international scene as possible for any game, that is the best scenario for all the players. like for cs and dota. Sc2 is still not a huge game, it would barely make Steam top20 in player pool and activity but it is the undisputed number one rts and best 1on1 esport. It's TL, that answers your question. The elitism on here is so transparent. | ||
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom207 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:52 FrkFrJss wrote: it's annoying whenever a foreigner does decently well and people proclaim him as the best in the world. Like, they're happy a person does well, but it doesn't mean that same message has to be spread around every thread. Despite what fans may have claimed ("I TOLD you he'd do this!"), none of us really knew whether Serral could stand up to the top Korean pros yet or not, and whilst we have seen him have decent success against them in other mixed region tournaments (beating Rogue, Impact and Zest, losing to Classic in IEM XII, and beating Classic. losing to Maru at WESG), this is the first time we've seen him smash his way through top Koreans, on their home turf. I agree that is hyperbole to say he's the best player in the world right now (it may be true, we don't know), but I don't think it can be disputed at this point that he is in the same league as the top Koreans now. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45458 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:03 sharkie wrote: wtf are these results? Are Innovation and Dark just not good anymore or is Serral world class? Innovation and Dark aren't at their peaks anymore and Serral has been performing really solidly. Possibly top ten in the world, if he shows success in more Korean tournaments. Hard to tell now, but he's definitely a top foreigner. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 05 2018 04:03 sharkie wrote: wtf are these results? Are Innovation and Dark just not good anymore or is Serral world class? Think about it this way. Serral dominates WCS heavily. He's way better than Noregret, Scarlett, Neeb, Special and probably Reynor. Probably even if you combine two of these together  Now think about it again, Neeb & Reynor are both in the current GSL RO16. This makes Serral top16 player AT THE WORST CASE. Probably top8. Korean scene is getting way worse without proper incentive, no that long time ago people like Noregret wouldn't even be able to qualify for GSL and now I'm using him as an example... ro16 wouldn't be possible for any foreigner. Simply because there was at least 20 top Korean players fighting for this. But with KeSPA teams gone and region lock Korean scene deminished. Currently we have what, 6 really good players, 10 on their good days? (e.g. soO, Rogue, Innovation - very unstable results) And it will be worse... we have a lot of fun ahead of us edit: "fun" in case if you're like me, who hates when someone is pushing others way too hard(casters adn their foreigner bias) and you like to watch top koreans instead of ... this mess we have now. (that's not against Serral per se, as he's actually there) | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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WhiteSPiriT
France19 Posts
On August 04 2018 22:07 gTank wrote: how is this "very" true? people have been cheering for foreigners since the very first days of starcraft 2 (Thorzain, HuK, iDra..) now suddenly when a foreigner wins elitists here making up excuses for that and blaming blizzard for it? everyone believing that the korean sc2 scene is declining because of region lock alone is delusional. Sorry for the late reply I was busy today. first, if it's not because of the region lock, then why the lvl is declining in your opinion ? Many good koreans left the game because of it. (note : I don't think region lock is the cause of everything, there is obviously many other reasons). I feel like the region lock is unfair in a way where foreigners are fully getting benefits of it without any kind of restriction (by that I mean they are completely free to play in GSL). And like the person I quoted, I'm kind of annoyed when people (and by people I mean casters especially) are being too much supportive of the foreigners when the situation in Korea is ... kind of bad. I mean you are completely free to cheer for whoever you want, but still this situation is bad for the game imho, when you look at it more deeply. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45458 Posts
On August 05 2018 08:28 Shellshock wrote: Serral GOAT foreigner Almost as sacrilege as calling him bonjwa heh. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 05 2018 08:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Almost as sacrilege as calling him bonjwa heh. first foreign bonjwa | ||
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