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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Who Advances?Rogue & aLive (29) 41% Scarlett & Rogue (24) 34% Scarlett & aLive (6) 8% aLive & Billowy (5) 7% Rogue & Billowy (5) 7% Billowy & Scarlett (2) 3% 71 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Scarlett & Rogue
(Vote): aLive & Billowy
(Vote): Rogue & aLive
(Vote): Billowy & Scarlett
(Vote): Rogue & Billowy
(Vote): Scarlett & aLive
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2 patchzergs eliminated on a single day, what a group that will be.
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I dont know why but I dream about Scareltt beating rogue and taking him out of GSL.
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On January 12 2018 23:18 Argonauta wrote:
I dont know why but I dream about Scareltt beating rogue and taking him out of GSL.
using protoss?
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On January 12 2018 23:18 Argonauta wrote:
I dont know why but I dream about Scareltt beating rogue and taking him out of GSL.
I don't know why, but I dream about Scarlett losing half of her army to a nuke and getting knocked out of the GSL.
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On January 12 2018 23:48 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 23:18 Argonauta wrote:
I dont know why but I dream about Scareltt beating rogue and taking him out of GSL. I don't know why, but I dream about Scarlett losing half of her army to a nuke and getting knocked out of the GSL.
That isn't a dream, that's a VOD 
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The real question is how Scarlett will somehow manage to lose despite having a game-winning lead. We've seen moving into nukes, we've seen moving into mines, what will it be this time?
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Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote:
Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing.
Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
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On January 13 2018 03:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote:
Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing. Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
In a lot of cases, the difference between ro16 and ro32 isn't stupid throws, it's a difference in speed/macro/general skill. Billowy, Creator, Keen etc are examples of those standard ro32 players. Scarlett had series where she legitimately played well Inno and aLive but fell short with some stupid throws. That's why I say she's capable of ro16
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On January 13 2018 03:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote:
Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing. Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
Well, she played three macro games against aLive in Season 1, and gave a pretty good showing, but made some key mistakes (attacking without her BLs) which cost her the series. In Season 2 she lost the first game straight-up but was in a good position until The Nuke™ happened in the second. In Season 3, Inno was playing super sloppy and far from his best–he threw away three full medivacs in the first game, didn't scout at all and had the wrong comp in the second, etc.
So I'd rate Scarlett's ZvT as good but not great; she's nowhere close to Rogue or Dark, but if she can avoid making key mistakes like she did in all three seasons last year (hardly a given) then she can make it to the Ro16. But I agree with Elentos–those key mistakes are exactly what distinguishes a Ro32 player from a Ro16 one. And thus far, Scarlett hasn't shown that she's worthy of the Ro16.
On January 13 2018 03:53 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 03:36 Elentos wrote:On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote:
Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing. Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer. In a lot of cases, the difference between ro16 and ro32 isn't stupid throws, it's a difference in speed/macro/general skill. Billowy, Creator, Keen etc are examples of those standard ro32 players. Scarlett had series where she legitimately played well Inno and aLive but fell short. That's why I say she's capable of ro16
In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
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On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series.
Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32)
edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 13 2018 04:07 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved. I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series. Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32) edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it
I use that logic to try to convince myself that soO will win a GSL one day.
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On January 13 2018 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2018 04:07 Fango wrote:On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved. I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series. Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32) edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it I use that logic to try to convince myself that soO will win a GSL one day.
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To set an alarm or not to set an alarm. That is the question.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 13 2018 07:11 Musicus wrote:
To set an alarm or not to set an alarm. That is the question.
It might be your last chance to see Rogue the patch-zerg win a game.  Blizzard's finishing him off at the end of the month
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