The real question is how Scarlett will somehow manage to lose despite having a game-winning lead. We've seen moving into nukes, we've seen moving into mines, what will it be this time?
On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote: Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing.
Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote: Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing.
Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
In a lot of cases, the difference between ro16 and ro32 isn't stupid throws, it's a difference in speed/macro/general skill. Billowy, Creator, Keen etc are examples of those standard ro32 players. Scarlett had series where she legitimately played well Inno and aLive but fell short with some stupid throws. That's why I say she's capable of ro16
On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote: Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing.
Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
Well, she played three macro games against aLive in Season 1, and gave a pretty good showing, but made some key mistakes (attacking without her BLs) which cost her the series. In Season 2 she lost the first game straight-up but was in a good position until The Nuke™ happened in the second. In Season 3, Inno was playing super sloppy and far from his best–he threw away three full medivacs in the first game, didn't scout at all and had the wrong comp in the second, etc.
So I'd rate Scarlett's ZvT as good but not great; she's nowhere close to Rogue or Dark, but if she can avoid making key mistakes like she did in all three seasons last year (hardly a given) then she can make it to the Ro16. But I agree with Elentos–those key mistakes are exactly what distinguishes a Ro32 player from a Ro16 one. And thus far, Scarlett hasn't shown that she's worthy of the Ro16.
On January 13 2018 03:28 Fango wrote: Scarlett really should get ro16 at some point. Her matches against Innovation, aLive, and Keen were really convincing (minus the key mistakes).
That being said this group is seriously tough. aLive and Rogue are the clear favourates
KeeN 2-0'd her and he was probably the worst TvZ player in Code S that season, that's really far off from convincing.
Those key mistakes make all the difference between Ro16 and Ro32, if she can't focus and stop herself from making those, well, she'll probably get stuck in Ro32 for a while longer.
In a lot of cases, the difference between ro16 and ro32 isn't stupid throws, it's a difference in speed/macro/general skill. Billowy, Creator, Keen etc are examples of those standard ro32 players. Scarlett had series where she legitimately played well Inno and aLive but fell short. That's why I say she's capable of ro16
In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series.
Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32)
edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series.
Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32)
edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it
I use that logic to try to convince myself that soO will win a GSL one day.
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote:In a lot of cases, but not Scarlett's. And I would argue that making stupid throws is a worse problem to have than insufficient speed or macro, because those things have pretty obvious fixes–just practice more. Stupid throws on the other hand are a nebulous judgement/mental issue, and not so easily solved.
I disagree, stupid/random throws are something that don't happen every game. With enough attempts you'll get lucky and not make them for a series or two. The mistakes she made were random/isolated, she doesn't make them every series.
Having lesser skill in general is not something you can get past with more attempts, you actually have to improve (hence why some players never get past ro32)
edit: my point is just that, while Inno was playing below his normal level, almost beating the literal champ should indicate someone is capable of reaching the ro16 at least. I'd apply the same logic to her beating aLive in S1 as well. With every other player that never makes ro16, it's down to general skill being lower. With Scarlett she keeps being about to win, and then throwing it
I use that logic to try to convince myself that soO will win a GSL one day.
I think Scarlett has a chance to make it out, but randomly doing poor against Protoss as well as some unconvincing series against Special does not give me a whole ton of hope.
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote: So I'd rate Scarlett's ZvT as good but not great
I'd rate it as bad. She's 1-9 in maps against SpeCial over the last 3 series they've met and had some games that looked like viOLet against ByuN. She needs a lot more than beating Semper to wash off that stink.
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote: So I'd rate Scarlett's ZvT as good but not great
I'd rate it as bad. She's 1-9 in maps against SpeCial over the last 3 series they've met and had some games that looked like viOLet against ByuN. She needs a lot more than beating Semper to wash off that stink.
To be fair, Major is the stronger of the two. But she's at 48% in ZvT since 2017-12-01.
Spanked by Rogue and soO and split with RagnaroK. His TvZ only looks good if you put any stock into beating Scarlett and JonSnow which I don't.
That being said, aLive has been pushed around recently by Impact, but Impact has been beating a number of good Korean Terran (GuMiho, Maru x2, jjakji) other than him, so his TvZ form is somewhat up in the air.
Spanked by Rogue and soO and split with RagnaroK. His TvZ only looks good if you put any stock into beating Scarlett and JonSnow which I don't.
That being said, aLive has been pushed around recently by Impact, but Impact has been beating a number of good Korean Terran (GuMiho, Maru x2, jjakji) other than him, so his TvZ form is somewhat up in the air.
from what I've seen Impact has been on a tear lately and beating a bunch of good players
Spanked by Rogue and soO and split with RagnaroK. His TvZ only looks good if you put any stock into beating Scarlett and JonSnow which I don't.
That being said, aLive has been pushed around recently by Impact, but Impact has been beating a number of good Korean Terran (GuMiho, Maru x2, jjakji) other than him, so his TvZ form is somewhat up in the air.
from what I've seen Impact has been on a tear lately and beating a bunch of good players
There is nothing to be ashamed about losing to Impact right now, but when your only results are losses, even to a good player, it is hard to really say much about a player's form. We know aLive's TvZ is worse than a super hot Zerg's ZvT. Ok, but how does he stand against a player who loses the expensive half of her army to a nuke?
On January 13 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote: So I'd rate Scarlett's ZvT as good but not great
I'd rate it as bad. She's 1-9 in maps against SpeCial over the last 3 series they've met and had some games that looked like viOLet against ByuN. She needs a lot more than beating Semper to wash off that stink.
To be fair, Major is the stronger of the two. But she's at 48% in ZvT since 2017-12-01.
I didn't realize her recent ZvT was so bad.
So she is 12-13, but two of those series were PvT, which she went 2-4 in, which leaves her at 10-9, which means all of her ZvT losses have been against major
On January 13 2018 13:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This is what happens when you don't ever go across the map. Zerg can macro up, throw units away as you will, and still crush you.
Wow. What a waste of time the first match was. How did he even qualify for GSL with that kind of PvZ? Randomly storming everywhere to deal with mutas which are fast both in dodging the storm and regeneration. With that many mutas, still wouldn't get blink?
Did the GSL guy who included Scarlett getting to the round of 16 in a 16-player popularity contest tournament tournament as recent success intend the insult?
I mean she prob didnt give a fuck cause she was so far ahead but wow that was actually a laughably terrible engagement at the end just walking all those infestors to their death
On January 13 2018 13:51 pvsnp wrote: To be honest I'm not sure whether it would be better to win or lose this series, since the decider rematch is pretty inevitable
Better to win. Even if aLive only has a 5% chance of beating Rogue, that's better than a 5% chance of losing to Billowy.
On January 13 2018 13:51 pvsnp wrote: To be honest I'm not sure whether it would be better to win or lose this series, since the decider rematch is pretty inevitable
Better to win. Even if aLive only has a 5% of beating Rogue, that's better than a 5% of losing to Billowy.
On January 13 2018 13:51 pvsnp wrote: To be honest I'm not sure whether it would be better to win or lose this series, since the decider rematch is pretty inevitable
Better to win. Even if aLive only has a 5% chance of beating Rogue, that's better than a 5% chance of losing to Billowy.
But the rematch curse man. THE REMATCH CURSE IS REAL
Oh this is the build uThermal likes a lot. It's pretty good on Neon Violet though I'm pretty sure it still just dies if your opponent sees it coming and builds 10 roaches.
On January 13 2018 13:53 Shellshock wrote: I haven't watched as much lately but what is the general outlook on neon violet with the doodads?
They don't matter all that much. You have to engage around them, but their value is mainly positional not tactical so people don't mind. You don't get cool fights among the pathing blockers unfortunately.
On January 13 2018 14:07 Shellshock wrote: lol did you guys see that? he split the parasitic bombed medivac away from his medivacs but flew it over to where all the vikings were sitting
On January 13 2018 14:08 Solar424 wrote: No, we do not need Ghost blink, which means it's definitely going in at this year's "Change everything because we can" patch.
On January 13 2018 14:08 Solar424 wrote: No, we do not need Ghost blink, which means it's definitely going in at this year's "Change everything because we can" patch.
Would be too confusing with the Moebius reactor upgrade already looking like blink.
On January 13 2018 14:08 Shellshock wrote: the neon violet squares are leading to her taking a bunch of unnecessary shots on her ultras bugging their pathing
Their pathing isn't bugged. They just can't go through since they're too fat.
On January 13 2018 14:08 Solar424 wrote: No, we do not need Ghost blink, which means it's definitely going in at this year's "Change everything because we can" patch.
Would be too confusing with the Moebius reactor upgrade already looking like blink.
On January 13 2018 14:08 Shellshock wrote: the neon violet squares are leading to her taking a bunch of unnecessary shots on her ultras bugging their pathing
Their pathing isn't bugged. They just can't go through since they're too fat.
yeah i guess I didnt mean as much bugged as their optimal pathing makes them walk to the side that is closer to the enemy pathing instead of the other way. like when you unintentionally split your army moving across a part of the map that has a ramp with high and low ground split
Yeah, Scarlett shouldn't have gone for such a low drone count cos she wasn't able to do that much with her army. Her bank lead just dissipated as the game went on.
On January 13 2018 14:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: ZERG CANT FIGHT GHOSTS TASTELESS
THIS GAME WAS OVER A LONG TIME AGO
She would've won if she stayed at a higher worker count to have the money for the remax, and it's not like aLive would've attacked on Neon Violet.
If she stays on higher worker count, she can't fight aLive's army because it gets crushed too hard. It's a tricky spot
I think you can stay on that count longer on Neon Violet. You can engage on your own term as zerg on this map. It's definitely tricky, but not unnavigably so.
On January 13 2018 14:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: ZERG CANT FIGHT GHOSTS TASTELESS
THIS GAME WAS OVER A LONG TIME AGO
She would've won if she stayed at a higher worker count to have the money for the remax, and it's not like aLive would've attacked on Neon Violet.
If she stays on higher worker count, she can't fight aLive's army because it gets crushed too hard. It's a tricky spot
I think you can stay on that count longer on Neon Violet. You can engage on your own term as zerg on this map. It's definitely tricky, but not unnavigably so.
True, but I understand her logic, especially once mass ghost is out.
This game is super frustrating to watch for tons of reasons
man I loved the low drone count to be able to take that maxed out engage, but the fact that she didnt rebuild drones while she had a bank was such a throw.
How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
On January 13 2018 14:21 Boggyb wrote: aLive taking so long to remake medivacs could have lost him the game. Did he not think he could use snipes to kill ultras?
It looks like he took a while to notice how far ahead he was. He didn't realize that he'd killed 2/3 of Scarlett's economy during the push up top, and was probably a bit shaken by the loss of his production.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Army had nothing to do with that game, eco won aLive the game. Scarlett cut drones to 36 to get a bigger army, and when the dust settled she had literally 9 drones to aLive's 37.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
oh no! for the first time in LOTV zerg dosent have a free win vs terran in late game
Such a frustrating game. Ghosts, Vikings and Liberators slowly destroying everything after you annihilated your opponent. People could talk for days about all the frustrating things in that game.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Army had nothing to do with that game, eco won aLive the game.
When mass ghosts trade ultra-efficiently against basically any late game zerg army, it seems pretty relevant to me
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Army had nothing to do with that game, eco won aLive the game.
When mass ghosts trade ultra-efficiently against basically any late game zerg army, it seems pretty relevant to me
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Army had nothing to do with that game, eco won aLive the game. Scarlett cut drones to 36 to get a bigger army, and when the dust settled she had literally 9 drones to aLive's 37
A bit of overextension too I think. Pulling back after crushing aLive's army would've been really counterintuitive, but would also have won her the game, since the ghosts wouldn't have able to reap all that value in the follow-through.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
oh no! for the first time in LOTV zerg dosent have a free win vs terran in late game
Terran was absolutely favored after they nerfed Parasitic Bomb to 60 energy. Terran could just mass Liberators and a-move to win vs Zerg mass air.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
On January 13 2018 14:21 Boggyb wrote: aLive taking so long to remake medivacs could have lost him the game. Did he not think he could use snipes to kill ultras?
It looks like he took a while to notice how far ahead he was. He didn't realize that he'd killed 2/3 of Scarlett's economy during the push up top, and was probably a bit shaken by the loss of his production.
Yeah, I understand why he took so long to push, but with his loss of production, ghosts were his path to victory and only one medivac to keep them alive was super scary.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Army had nothing to do with that game, eco won aLive the game. Scarlett cut drones to 36 to get a bigger army, and when the dust settled she had literally 9 drones to aLive's 37
A bit of overextension too I think. Pulling back after crushing aLive's army would've been really counterintuitive, but would also have won her the game, since the ghosts wouldn't have able to reap all that value in the follow-through.
I was just thinking this. She killed a ton of aLive's army and just went into the main when she should have just gone back, regrouped, and made a death push. Also, cutting all of those drones so early in hindsight was not the greatest idea.
On January 13 2018 14:21 Boggyb wrote: aLive taking so long to remake medivacs could have lost him the game. Did he not think he could use snipes to kill ultras?
It looks like he took a while to notice how far ahead he was. He didn't realize that he'd killed 2/3 of Scarlett's economy during the push up top, and was probably a bit shaken by the loss of his production.
Yeah, I understand why he took so long to push, but with his loss of production, ghosts were his path to victory and only one medivac to keep them alive was super scary.
Might've been intentional when I think of it. Even before the big fight aLive had very few medivacs favouring liberators heavily, so while medivacs could have been good afterwards he didn't re-evalute his composition.
That game was very interesting from a theoretical standpoint.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
No, both Fungal and EMP have 10 range
Fungal has slightly more range due to the radius, but EMP's faster so it isn't totally symmetric.
I think I agree that the "correct play" for her was the counter-intuitive one...
aLive could have definitely pushed out with Ghosts earlier, made Hellions, Banshees or Liberators after the engagement and been fine, all I can think of Z doing is turtle more and make more Drones and offensive Spores/Spines but then you have to make the sacrifice for army count. In the past it was usually fine to do that with how quickly you could re-max, but in that game I don't there's a way to do that unless your opponent just does nothing. Idk. I need to watch it again but it's so exhausting.
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
No, both Fungal and EMP have 10 range
Fungal has slightly more range due to the radius, but EMP's faster so it isn't totally symmetric.
EMP has range too. And if you try to use the fungal range youre going to hit like 3 ghosts which is worthless
On January 13 2018 14:23 Solar424 wrote: How is Zerg supposed to win the late game when all of their effective late game units are countered by Ghosts? Fungal should drain energy, because right now Zerg has no way to counter spell casters, like Toss has with Feedback and Terran with EMP.
Fungal makes Ghosts useless
EMP makes Fungal non-existent more instantly
Doesn't fungal have more range than emp? Given perfect control Zerg should get fungals off first and then ghosts can't get in range to EMP anymore.
Same range, 10 on both
But radius is 1.5 for EMP and 2.25 for EMP so the effective range is slightly higher for fungal.
And I just love how even after everything in the last game, it turns out Banshees are just fine to use instead of Liberators and Stim Marines are still ridiculously good, and the balance team thinks giving T Auto-Turrets back is fine...
Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure. It's a shame for a player who was so good at playing from behind in the past to become so throwy when she actually does have an advantage and fall apart when she doesn't.
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure.
It's always us Scarlett fans who turn on her the hardest, isn't it?
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure.
It's always us Scarlett fans who turn on her the hardest, isn't it?
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure.
It's always us Scarlett fans who turn on her the hardest, isn't it?
It's times like this I'm glad I'm an Inno fan
I'd take consistent mediocrity over choking at Blizzcon every year.
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure.
It's always us Scarlett fans who turn on her the hardest, isn't it?
If you're not rooting for her, you can't turn on her...
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure.
It's always us Scarlett fans who turn on her the hardest, isn't it?
It's times like this I'm glad I'm an Inno fan
I'd take consistent mediocrity over choking at Blizzcon every year.
On January 13 2018 14:34 Solar424 wrote: Now she loses 2-0 to Billowy, as is tradition. I don't understand why she would go for Roaches when they haven't been in the meta for a year, but it's what I expect from her now, to fall apart when she's under any sort of pressure. It's a shame for a player who was so good at playing from behind in the past to become so throwy when she actually does have an advantage and fall apart when she doesn't.
I think she went for ravagers because she was behind and was hoping for some lucky biles to come back.
So basically her strategy this season is to try old compositions to catch her opponents off-guard. Nice move but aLive was like "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". Nicely done, aLive.
On January 13 2018 14:36 Ej_ wrote: Why do people mention fungal vs emp when ghosts die to BLs?
Because BLs are the slowest unit in the game despite how heavily Z has to rely on them being alive and moving across massive maps and they can't detect on their own and they die to Ghosts, Mines, and Vikings if not babysat and positioned carefully. If there was a better way to neutralize Ghosts, Z would have an easier time in that late-late game situation dealing with them and making a safe zone to utilize their BLs. Very quickly written, but there's a lot more to it than just "Ghosts die to BLs".
Zerg isn't used to being able to lose games once they have established their hive tech, hence all the complaints. Seriously the percentage of games terran wins vs late game Zerg is so low, complaining about it is ridicolous.
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
nah he'll lose to a patchzerg in the final like Mvp did too. based on recent articles Rogue will probably do it
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
I'm just imagining Mr. Chae and JYP rummaging through a dusty closet after realizing they might actually need the G5L trophy again
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
nah he'll lose to a patchzerg in the final like Mvp did too. based on recent articles Rogue will probably do it
Impossible. GSL finals are after the hydra nerf, so Rogue will obviously be a washed-up scrub by that point
On January 13 2018 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I manged to drink 2 1/2 beers during that last series. I might die by the end of the night
What was the timing of those beers? Did you drink most of them during the games, or after Scarlett lost? How much will you drink if aLive and Billowy make it out of the group?
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
I'm just imagining Mr. Chae and JYP rummaging through a dusty closet after realizing they might actually need the G5L trophy again
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
nah he'll lose to a patchzerg in the final like Mvp did too. based on recent articles Rogue will probably do it
Impossible. GSL finals are after the hydra nerf, so Rogue will obviously be a washed-up scrub by that point
so innovation will be a patch terran. trophy voided
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
I'm just imagining Mr. Chae and JYP rummaging through a dusty closet after realizing they might actually need the G5L trophy again
On January 13 2018 14:42 Shellshock wrote:
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
nah he'll lose to a patchzerg in the final like Mvp did too. based on recent articles Rogue will probably do it
Impossible. GSL finals are after the hydra nerf, so Rogue will obviously be a washed-up scrub by that point
so innovation will be a patch terran. trophy voided
Day after Inno wins G5L, Mizenhauer publishes an article "The PATCHGOAT"
On January 13 2018 14:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I manged to drink 2 1/2 beers during that last series. I might die by the end of the night
What was the timing of those beers? Did you drink most of them during the games, or after Scarlett lost? How much will you drink if aLive and Billowy make it out of the group?
A near constant sip. It might have been closer to two, tbh
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
I'm just imagining Mr. Chae and JYP rummaging through a dusty closet after realizing they might actually need the G5L trophy again
On January 13 2018 14:42 Shellshock wrote:
On January 13 2018 14:41 Solar424 wrote: Wow they actually kept the G5L trophy. I hope Innovation doesn't mind them scratching Mvp's name out and replacing it with his on it.
nah he'll lose to a patchzerg in the final like Mvp did too. based on recent articles Rogue will probably do it
Impossible. GSL finals are after the hydra nerf, so Rogue will obviously be a washed-up scrub by that point
so innovation will be a patch terran. trophy voided
Day after Inno wins G5L, Mizenhauer publishes an article "The PATCHGOAT"
"Mvp never got his spine patched" - stuchiu article following
On January 13 2018 14:57 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Alright I have like 11 more beers in the fridge. If Rogue loses how many of them can I drink before I die do you think. Taking bets?
beer can't kill you. worse case ontario you'll feel like shit tomorrow. but it is expected if Scarlett doesnt get out
first let Mizenhauer post ridiculous terran propaganda, next redirect honest hardworking tax payers to the same ffing cucking SJW libturd eh propaganda again
first let Mizenhauer post ridiculous terran propaganda, next redirect honest hardworking tax payers to the same ffing cucking SJW libturd eh propaganda again
sheesh
I was just relinking shellshock's link, except with http instead of https D:
first let Mizenhauer post ridiculous terran propaganda, next redirect honest hardworking tax payers to the same ffing cucking SJW libturd eh propaganda again
sheesh
I was just relinking shellshock's link, except with http instead of https D:
you have to forgive me, I'm in the most ridiculous HS game ever
first let Mizenhauer post ridiculous terran propaganda, next redirect honest hardworking tax payers to the same ffing cucking SJW libturd eh propaganda again
sheesh
I was just relinking shellshock's link, except with http instead of https D:
you have to forgive me, I'm in the most ridiculous HS game ever
I like how Tastosis pretends that medivacs should fear spores in any way, shape or form. Spores fucking tickle medivacs and they get killed in a second
On January 13 2018 15:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I like how Tastosis pretends that medivacs should fear spores in any way, shape or form. Spores fucking tickle medivacs and they get killed in a second
if zerg actually evolved they would give spores the infested terran anti air
first let Mizenhauer post ridiculous terran propaganda, next redirect honest hardworking tax payers to the same ffing cucking SJW libturd eh propaganda again
sheesh
I was just relinking shellshock's link, except with http instead of https D:
you have to forgive me, I'm in the most ridiculous HS game ever
On January 13 2018 15:12 Charoisaur wrote: If he went mech he would've won even easier. But he doesn't understand the game as well as our foreign terrans.
he was handicapping himself because he wanted to give the patchzerg a chance obv
MMM with a handful of tanks has been pret-ty darn good against Ling Bane Hydra in higher levels in the last couple of weeks, and Roach Ravager sucks against it from everything I've seen. Seems like I really need to get back into Ling Bane Muta when I can vs Terran...
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Only in online tourneys. Everywhere else, in a serious setting, she plays Z.
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
GSL does not allow race picking. She has to stay zerg
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
On January 13 2018 15:20 iamho wrote: Doesn't Scarlett play protoss against zerg usually? Is she even going to be allowed to change her race if she faces rogue?
Mostly in online cups against foreigners. She still ZvZs for serious games. And I'm not sure about GSL, but most tournaments allow you to race-pick as long as you don't switch within a single series.
You have to declare your race in advance in GSL
GSL confirmed racist
We had that converation yesterday that they don't meet the people of color quota, but at least one player is trans.
On January 13 2018 15:32 Ej_ wrote: Fleet Beacon hype.
He tried that against Rogue too. I guess a four base mothership push is his go to build on Ascension. He'd probably be dead if Scarlett hadn't been so aggro.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
You should watch my stream, bio is literally impossible to beat :o
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Mass Infestor is just not a thing in Korea and tbh I don't think Phano or his strats these days are that great either.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
And then your entire army gets feedbacked and stormed.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
And then your entire army gets feedbacked and stormed.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
And then your entire army gets feedbacked and stormed.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Rogue tried it against Neeb, didn't work
Missed that one, more inclined to watch those two vs each other. Link?
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Rogue tried it against Neeb, didn't work
Which game do you mean, the one at Blizzcon was pre-patch.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Rogue tried it against Neeb, didn't work
Missed that one, more inclined to watch those two vs each other. Link?
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Rogue tried it against Neeb, didn't work
Missed that one, more inclined to watch those two vs each other. Link?
On January 13 2018 15:45 blunderfulguy wrote: Idk what's more of a joke, how slow BLs are or how insane Skytoss is lol idk how she stayed in that long.
Mass infestors can actually put up an equal fight against Skytoss. You should watch Stephano's stream.
Rogue tried it against Neeb, didn't work
Missed that one, more inclined to watch those two vs each other. Link?
It's a 30min game of Neeb massing cannons and flying around with 200 supply of carrier/storm, spare your time.
Okay, now I'm not going to say I'm rooting for Mr. DoKyung now, but he should totally be a little defensive and play Stasis Control with a lot of Oracles until Carriers arr- or just get a small Stasis there and not do that and die nvm GG.
On January 13 2018 15:57 Boggyb wrote: Win or lose, at least Scarlett can take solace in the fact that nobody on Teamliquid wrote an article calling her a patchzerg.
On January 13 2018 15:57 Boggyb wrote: Win or lose, at least Scarlett can take solace in the fact that nobody on Teamliquid wrote an article calling her a patchzerg.
People only write articles about players who win /salt
soO gets lots of articles precisely because he doesn't win.
On January 13 2018 15:57 Boggyb wrote: Win or lose, at least Scarlett can take solace in the fact that nobody on Teamliquid wrote an article calling her a patchzerg.
People only write articles about players who win /salt
soO gets lots of articles precisely because he doesn't win.
soO wins a lot to lose when it matters, Scarlett just always loses
On January 13 2018 15:57 Boggyb wrote: Win or lose, at least Scarlett can take solace in the fact that nobody on Teamliquid wrote an article calling her a patchzerg.
People only write articles about players who win /salt
soO gets lots of articles precisely because he doesn't win.
but if he never made it out of ro32 no one would write about it
The storms didn't come because the templars were stuck behind the archons and immortals. Also, had he tried to storm, the templars would have been killed by splash before getting the storm off because they were stuck :D
In my headcanon Tastosis has a whole clone Caster Archon that they force to cast ZvZs so they can get coffee and Subway until the next series instead of watch.
On January 13 2018 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Funny that Tasteless and Day[9] had a rule about talking during games, but no rule about masturbation during games.
On January 13 2018 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Funny that Tasteless and Day[9] had a rule about talking during games, but no rule about masturbation during games.
what if you could put spores or spines into the holes on swarmhosts' back so they would lose their ability to spawn locusts but would make your formerly static d mobile?
On January 13 2018 16:39 Shellshock wrote: what if you could put spores or spines into the holes on swarmhosts' back so they would lose their ability to spawn locusts but would make your formerly static d mobile?
Depends. Can swarmhosts still fit in nydus worms while carrying that load?
On January 13 2018 16:39 Shellshock wrote: what if you could put spores or spines into the holes on swarmhosts' back so they would lose their ability to spawn locusts but would make your formerly static d mobile?
Depends. Can swarmhosts still fit in nydus worms while carrying that load?
based on cinematic logic yes but blizzard logic only if they have 1 building attached and not 2
Man this is wild. And she did it after THIS group. Scarlett is the real deal, she's the legit real foreign hope. I don't care what anyone says. Come fight me.
On January 13 2018 16:49 Solar424 wrote: So Noregret and Bunny are advancing out of group D now, right?
Alive wasnt an upset. And bunny isnt either.
Why does the guy whp doesn't watch sc2 know this better than you people.
plenty of people lb alive
More than scarlett?
I mean on paper Rogue and aLive probably should have been the expected top 2 but i'm sure plenty of people voted scarlett because they like her. I bet Rogue will be most voted, aLive and Scarlett close together, close to no votes for billowy
On January 13 2018 16:49 Solar424 wrote: So Noregret and Bunny are advancing out of group D now, right?
Alive wasnt an upset. And bunny isnt either.
Why does the guy whp doesn't watch sc2 know this better than you people.
plenty of people lb alive
More than scarlett?
I mean on paper Rogue and aLive probably should have been the expected top 2 but i'm sure plenty of people voted scarlett because they like her. I bet Rogue will be most voted, aLive and Scarlett close together, close to no votes for billowy
Rogue getting most votes makes total sense (hell I voted for him too). I just thought both he and scarlett would just take all the votes leaving both alive and billowy at sub 50
On January 13 2018 16:49 ilikeredheads wrote: group stage nomination is gonna be so awkward LOL
will be brilliant
If by brilliant you mean 'Innovation is going to pick her first' then yes. Brilliant
And she will beat him. As she already did (almost).
Just like Rogue almost won GSL :D
Oh man, that's savage. Also too soon. Also fucking hilarious (I can't stop laughing over the fact that I spent way too many hours yesterday arguing with raging Rogue fanboys about Mizenhauer calling him a patchzerg, and now this).
Seriously though, Scarlett's put a giant target on her back by taking out Rogue. Her days are numbered. But we'll see, who knows what will happen.
So is this the time we get the WCS protection for Korea or will we wait until no Koreans are left? Cannot see Rogue travelling abroad to steal some WCS money like Scarlett can in Korea...
On January 13 2018 16:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: the last non korean in the ro16 was Naniwa right?
And he got a seed.
Scarlett is the first to do it the right way, the hard way.
She is not the first. And for Naniwa, it was in a more competitive area, with a lot more players, it was harder to qualify. Now even Sortof and Noregret can make it to code S.
On January 13 2018 20:19 Poopi wrote: Gg Scarlett and aLive! Were the games good?
The whole Scarlett vs aLive series was fun, though game 2 was pretty special. Scarlett vs Rogue game 2 was pretty good too. Most of the other series were a bit meh. Felt like both Scarlett and Rogue had fluctuating levels of play through the day.
On January 13 2018 16:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: the last non korean in the ro16 was Naniwa right?
And he got a seed.
Scarlett is the first to do it the right way, the hard way.
She is not the first. And for Naniwa, it was in a more competitive area, with a lot more players, it was harder to qualify. Now even Sortof and Noregret can make it to code S.
Making it to the round of 16 is a different story though. And to take out the Blizzcon champion in pretty convincing fashion.
Wow, Scarlett played great in those last 2 games against Rogue. It's so nice to see a foreigner not just fall apart against early pressure from Korean pros.
On January 14 2018 02:34 geokilla wrote: How did Alive beat Rogue?
He played normally.
aLive played pretty well but Rogue did not. Going pure ling/bane with 0 hydras, then botching the hellbat defense is not the kind of play I (or anyone) expected from Rogue
EPT
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Blizzard's finishing him off at the end of the month
