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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 28 2017 14:51 GMT
#261
On January 28 2017 23:46 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:46 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:41 ArtyK wrote:
900 minerals on 2 base at 7 minutes Zest


His production was partly unpowered to be fair


he still floated 1000 at the end


Somehow people still don't understand how warpgate works. You bank money, then you spend it at once.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-28 14:54:12
January 28 2017 14:52 GMT
#262
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.

If to compensate some other numbers need to be adjusted then so be it.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 28 2017 14:53 GMT
#263
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
January 28 2017 14:54 GMT
#264
On January 28 2017 23:53 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o

Chargelot/Templar
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 28 2017 14:54 GMT
#265
If you want the meta to be fun then you should have been against the widow mine patch 3 years ago
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 28 2017 14:54 GMT
#266
On January 28 2017 23:51 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:46 ArtyK wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:46 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:41 ArtyK wrote:
900 minerals on 2 base at 7 minutes Zest


His production was partly unpowered to be fair


he still floated 1000 at the end


Somehow people still don't understand how warpgate works. You bank money, then you spend it at once.

"all protoss have bad macro" - Olli
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
January 28 2017 14:54 GMT
#267
On January 28 2017 23:54 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:53 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o

Chargelot/Templar

Yeah
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
January 28 2017 14:55 GMT
#268
On January 28 2017 23:50 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:46 ArtyK wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:46 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:41 ArtyK wrote:
900 minerals on 2 base at 7 minutes Zest


His production was partly unpowered to be fair


he still floated 1000 at the end


He was winning the engagement I don't think it really matterred much


how is that an excuse at such a high level, what if the engagement doesn't go as planned for X reason?

Zest is great player ofc but i'm just pointing out something that seem to happen to him more often than other top toss i've seen
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
January 28 2017 14:55 GMT
#269
On January 28 2017 23:54 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:53 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o

Chargelot/Templar

that's fun to watch, but probably super unfun to play against
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
January 28 2017 14:55 GMT
#270
Toodming at the top of the Chinese scene? It's not 2014 anymore come on.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
January 28 2017 14:55 GMT
#271
On January 28 2017 23:54 Olli wrote:
If you want the meta to be fun then you should have been against the widow mine patch 3 years ago

I was and I suggested multiple times that it should be reverted.

But now it's to late imo with all the zealot buffs.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
January 28 2017 14:55 GMT
#272
Didn't iAsonu play in a previous shoutcraft and get absolutely wrecked?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#273
I always doubt iAsonu and people tell me I'm wrong
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-28 14:56:43
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#274
On January 28 2017 23:34 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:33 Shellshock wrote:
Zest told me he's ~ 70% confident against Innovation

I heard Inno practices vs Shuras protoss. He even managed to get 35% vs it so he has a slight chance.

the Scarlettian is a function of A->B that takes WR in practice and returns WR in tournaments.
The general formula of the function is:
S(x)=10/77*sqrt((logx+1)/(1-log(10/7)))*x
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=S(x)=10/77*sqrt((log(x)+1)/(1-log(10/7)))*x

The INnoVation is a point defined as S(7/10)=1/11
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#275
On January 28 2017 23:51 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:46 ArtyK wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:46 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:41 ArtyK wrote:
900 minerals on 2 base at 7 minutes Zest


His production was partly unpowered to be fair


he still floated 1000 at the end


Somehow people still don't understand how warpgate works. You bank money, then you spend it at once.


Have we seen the same game? I perfectly understand how warpgate works, i wouldn't have mentionned it if this wasn't actual missmacro...
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
TL+ Member
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#276
On January 28 2017 23:55 Elentos wrote:
Toodming at the top of the Chinese scene? It's not 2014 anymore come on.

Clearly it's Jim then
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#277
On January 28 2017 23:55 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:54 Durnuu wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:53 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o

Chargelot/Templar

that's fun to watch, but probably super unfun to play against


It's harder for both, which makes it more exciting to me
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#278
On January 28 2017 23:55 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 23:54 Durnuu wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:53 Fango wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 28 2017 23:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Just stop nerfing stuff and let the meta develop until you really sure it's absolutely necessary.

One of greatest things about Starcraft is someone inventing a way around a perceived disadvantage. Moves the game forward.

I don't care about balance I just want the meta to be fun.
This collossus turtle style isn't fun imo.


Blink stalker allins more your kind of thing? :o

Chargelot/Templar

that's fun to watch, but probably super unfun to play against

It's going to be amazing after all those charge buffs.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-28 14:57:17
January 28 2017 14:56 GMT
#279
On January 28 2017 23:55 Boggyb wrote:
Didn't iAsonu play in a previous shoutcraft and get absolutely wrecked?


that was Time (???)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
January 28 2017 14:57 GMT
#280
Wait Zest is playing Zerg?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
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