• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:42
CET 14:42
KST 22:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!44$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1114 users

[WCS 2017] Global Finals - Day 1 - Page 79

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 96 Next
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 27 2017 21:57 GMT
#1561
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28501 Posts
October 27 2017 21:57 GMT
#1562
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes
I Protoss winner, could it be?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1563
On October 28 2017 06:57 The_Templar wrote:
What happened? I was in the bathroom.

oracles killed Snutes hive
Neosteel Enthusiast
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12318 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1564
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then
No will to live, no wish to die
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1565
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

Battlenet forum
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1566
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1567
On October 28 2017 06:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 The_Templar wrote:
What happened? I was in the bathroom.

oracles killed Snutes hive

Yikes. That sounds really brutal, and I'm seeing snute losing all the drones in his main too.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1568
Snute is super dead.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1569
On October 28 2017 06:57 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.


How do you nerf BLs without breaking TvZ or making chargelot/archon/HT unbeatable?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12318 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1570
On October 28 2017 06:58 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

Battlenet forum


Shouldn't you want to answer this honestly? The fastest I find one the fastest I leave this place, and apparently you're not a fan of me so you should want that.
No will to live, no wish to die
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28501 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1571
On October 28 2017 06:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance


This particular game didn't look particularly imbalanced unlike most games of skytoss tbh. Rogue definitely had his chances.

but you wouldn't call it a 50/50 40/40 would you?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
October 27 2017 22:00 GMT
#1572
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 27 2017 22:00 GMT
#1573
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.


From what little I've seen infestors counter Protoss and possibly Terran too.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1574
On October 28 2017 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one

What would he call it?
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1575
On October 28 2017 07:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.


From what little I've seen infestors counter Protoss and possibly Terran too.

Everything air I think. They will get nerfed for sure.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1576
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.

Showtime said on stream that the new stalker is much worse against Blords because they shoot slower which is bad for shift-clicking broods.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1577
On October 28 2017 07:01 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one

What would he call it?

davidkimwasright.com
Neosteel Enthusiast
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 22:02:53
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1578
Give all races strong ground to air. It's just a ton more interesting to watch ground units fight air units than air units vs air units.

Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1579
On October 28 2017 06:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 DBooN wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.


How do you nerf BLs without breaking TvZ or making chargelot/archon/HT unbeatable?

Vipers and lurkers?
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1580
Stats and Snute have apparently decided to give us an encore.
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 96 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV1095
Rex139
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 285
RotterdaM 246
Rex 139
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 8832
Sea 5610
GuemChi 1050
actioN 712
Pusan 558
Barracks 474
Hyun 283
hero 211
Last 193
Mini 175
[ Show more ]
Soma 145
PianO 102
Larva 86
Backho 66
ToSsGirL 53
scan(afreeca) 10
HiyA 8
Noble 8
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
Gorgc10300
singsing2383
Dendi678
Pyrionflax267
XcaliburYe257
qojqva148
Counter-Strike
x6flipin792
byalli238
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor226
Other Games
B2W.Neo1195
Sick235
goatrope73
Hui .39
QueenE14
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3177
• WagamamaTV518
• Ler57
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
1h 18m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
4h 18m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
6h 18m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
OSC
9h 18m
OSC
19h 18m
Wardi Open
22h 18m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.