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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 27 2017 21:57 GMT
#1561
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
October 27 2017 21:57 GMT
#1562
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes
I Protoss winner, could it be?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1563
On October 28 2017 06:57 The_Templar wrote:
What happened? I was in the bathroom.

oracles killed Snutes hive
Neosteel Enthusiast
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12382 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1564
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then
No will to live, no wish to die
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1565
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

Battlenet forum
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 27 2017 21:58 GMT
#1566
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1567
On October 28 2017 06:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 The_Templar wrote:
What happened? I was in the bathroom.

oracles killed Snutes hive

Yikes. That sounds really brutal, and I'm seeing snute losing all the drones in his main too.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1568
Snute is super dead.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1569
On October 28 2017 06:57 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.


How do you nerf BLs without breaking TvZ or making chargelot/archon/HT unbeatable?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12382 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1570
On October 28 2017 06:58 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

Battlenet forum


Shouldn't you want to answer this honestly? The fastest I find one the fastest I leave this place, and apparently you're not a fan of me so you should want that.
No will to live, no wish to die
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
October 27 2017 21:59 GMT
#1571
On October 28 2017 06:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance


This particular game didn't look particularly imbalanced unlike most games of skytoss tbh. Rogue definitely had his chances.

but you wouldn't call it a 50/50 40/40 would you?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16025 Posts
October 27 2017 22:00 GMT
#1572
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 27 2017 22:00 GMT
#1573
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.


From what little I've seen infestors counter Protoss and possibly Terran too.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1574
On October 28 2017 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one

What would he call it?
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1575
On October 28 2017 07:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.


From what little I've seen infestors counter Protoss and possibly Terran too.

Everything air I think. They will get nerfed for sure.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16025 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1576
On October 28 2017 06:58 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

yes

Well in the next patch Stalkers will be better vs broodlords, revelation will be worse which nerfs toss air play somewhat and infestors counter mass carriers.

Good starting points imo, but not yet balanced.

Showtime said on stream that the new stalker is much worse against Blords because they shoot slower which is bad for shift-clicking broods.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 27 2017 22:01 GMT
#1577
On October 28 2017 07:01 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:58 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:44 Solar424 wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:31 Zaros wrote:
Instant balance whine and complaints about sc2 after the most awesome game and people wonder why professionals don't visit TL anymore

Why should we force positivity about a game which was (in the opinion of a lot of us) just awful?


Cause you're a fansite.

TL isn't a fansite, it's a discussion forum. If you want people talking about how awesome SC2 is and how it's never been better go to r/Starcraft.


Could someone else direct me to a good starcraft fansite then

I dunno maybe you can try creating one

What would he call it?

davidkimwasright.com
Neosteel Enthusiast
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9420 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 22:02:53
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1578
Give all races strong ground to air. It's just a ton more interesting to watch ground units fight air units than air units vs air units.

Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1579
On October 28 2017 06:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:57 DBooN wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:56 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:54 Penev wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:53 Morbidius wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:52 Penev wrote:
Here is an attempt for a productive discussion: How to prevent this PvZ patience fest from happening?

With balance or with gameplay?

let's try balance

Give toss a viable ground answer to brood lords and nerf the shit out of air?

Yeah, Brood Lords were the problem all along.


How do you nerf BLs without breaking TvZ or making chargelot/archon/HT unbeatable?

Vipers and lurkers?
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
October 27 2017 22:02 GMT
#1580
Stats and Snute have apparently decided to give us an encore.
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