[GSL Code S] Season 3 2017 - Semifinals Day 1

On September 06 2017 16:31 Diabolique wrote:
The pictures are awesome.
sOs became a machine and Stats with his new glasses.

On September 06 2017 16:54 DieuCure wrote:
PvP should be BO3 instead of BO7 imo

On September 06 2017 17:14 Olli wrote:
Last PvP I saw from sOs was against Neeb and he played really poorly I thought. Stats is the better player overall imo, so hoping to see him advance.

On September 06 2017 17:14 Olli wrote:
Last PvP I saw from sOs was against Neeb and he played really poorly I thought. Stats is the better player overall imo, so hoping to see him advance.

On September 06 2017 17:44 yht9657 wrote:

Because herO somehow always ends up meeting him

On September 06 2017 17:44 Zzzapper wrote:
I want sOs to win as much as the next guy but I don't understand why anyone thinks it'll actually happen

On September 06 2017 17:52 DieuCure wrote:
Maru should cheer for Stats right ?

On September 06 2017 18:16 Elentos wrote:

When 2 people are tied for the final spot they used to play a tie breaker best of 5 match, which I'm sure is still the rule. If it's not the final spot - e.g. Elazer and viOlet were tied 6th/7th for WCS Circuit last year - they flip a coin.

On September 06 2017 18:01 Alarak89 wrote:

Because he will feel embarrassed if sOs go to GSL final again?

On September 06 2017 18:26 Elentos wrote:

There was one between Naniwa and Revival and one between Fantasy and HyuN.

On September 06 2017 18:30 DieuCure wrote:



Because of wcs points, he still has a chance to qualify with gslst2

On September 06 2017 18:33 Elentos wrote:
Can sOs at least try to qualify for Blizzcon before Artosis calls him a dark horse to win it?

On September 06 2017 18:49 Phredxor wrote:
This gameplay doesn't line up with the caster circlejerk over sOs. Hmmm.

On September 06 2017 19:06 yht9657 wrote:

also possible for a ZvZ if both sides decide to just make roaches

On September 06 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:
So this is what happens when you switch from your JAGW flair to the Splyce flair.

On September 06 2017 19:17 Musicus wrote:
So this is what happens when you switch from your JAGW flair to the Splyce flair.

On September 06 2017 19:20 Musicus wrote:

When did Nerchio join Jin Air?

On September 06 2017 19:18 Diabolique wrote:
It is so great to watch sOs starting his world championship run!

On September 06 2017 19:29 romson87 wrote:
I thought only TY plays strangely against sOs but I guess the same goes to the other members of Splyce.

On September 06 2017 19:30 yht9657 wrote:

Perhaps he just want to see sOs get trashed in the finals, savage

On September 06 2017 19:30 yht9657 wrote:

Perhaps he just want to see sOs get trashed in the finals, savage
edit: also it's hard for a PvP thread to be very long

On September 06 2017 19:38 Zzzapper wrote:
It looks like sOs is getting into the GSL finals without winning a single game

On September 06 2017 19:37 Heartland wrote:


It's not about luck, it's about playing the metagame.

On September 06 2017 19:36 Zephyp wrote:
Artosis should make it a bit more obvious he's an sOs fanboy.

sOs' biggest problem to winning is he's a gambler. He wins when his stuff works, but strategies that relies on luck often drops him out long before the playoffs in tournaments.

On September 06 2017 19:41 Heartland wrote:


But it's so much about where you put it, such as the Robo in this latest game. It's also that he always has follow-up plans which branch out of one strategy failing. That's what makes it different than, say, Has.

On September 06 2017 19:48 Alarak89 wrote:
Is there anyone can win a Bo7 PvP series against sOs nowadays? Or we can confirm the best PvPer of all time has been revealed?

On September 06 2017 19:51 darklycid wrote:

I mean it was just a Bo5 but Neeb rekt sOs 3:1 at Gsl vs World

On September 06 2017 19:53 yht9657 wrote:

Zest is 11-5 against sOs in historical matches

On September 06 2017 19:57 Inflicted wrote:


Classic, Stats, Zest all have 60% offline vs KR P. Even herO has 59%

On September 06 2017 20:00 Phredxor wrote:


Under these filters, Zest is 166–103 (61.71%) in games and 89–54 (62.24%) in matches.

??

On September 06 2017 20:01 Inflicted wrote:


Under these filters, Classic is 155–102 (60.31%) in games and 73–45 (61.86%) in matches. (Some of Classic's is TvP though)

Under these filters, Zest is 166–103 (61.71%) in games and 89–54 (62.24%) in matches.

Under these filters, Stats is 140–87 (61.67%) in games and 76–40 (65.52%) in matches.

Under these filters, herO is 190–152 (55.56%) in games and 95–65 (59.38%) in matches.

On September 06 2017 20:12 ParksonVN wrote:


Exactly what i'm thinking now. As a Inno/Dark supporter, i was in relief when i saw the today's result. I mean sOs is no joke, but he stands no chance against Inno/ Dark while Stats would be a much bigger threats to those two. Now we can consider the 2nd semi/final as the grand final

On September 06 2017 20:55 Rolltide wrote:
I missed the match, too early for CST. Any vods out yet? Not available on youtube when I checked.

Let's remember that sOs did not make Blizzcon last year and he was the only player to lose to Zest in season one SSL challenge.

This run is convincing enough but he still has to be the underdog to the winner of Dark vs Inno.

Dark has been sick against Terran lately(3-0 over Inno in Masters and 3-0 over TY GSL) but he also just beat Dear in SSL 4-2.

On September 06 2017 21:22 Poopi wrote:
Who was that guy again that said that sOs wasn't a GSL ro8 level player, especially compared to Rogue?
hahaha, sOs is the master troll of all.
If INno or Dark lose against that guy...

On September 06 2017 21:14 Alarak89 wrote:
sOs vs Bogus final incoming... True clash of Titans...
Two of the only players still have an overall career offline winrates as well as each race winrates over 60% against Koreans.
I'm getting hyped considering how long they have been on the scene. The "rematch" of the century will finally happen, just like the year of 2013, I have been waiting for so long...

On September 06 2017 21:46 Charoisaur wrote:

You bet on him winning the finals?

On September 06 2017 21:48 Diabolique wrote:

That would be really bad, as Inno has always been the cryptonite for sOs. Running over Dark would be like a walk in the park. But Inno is from another material.

On September 06 2017 21:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Also would be funny if Inno beats sOs whom he won his first premier against and then beats him again to win the title that solidifies him as the GOAT (I don't think that can be doubtet anymore when he has the most starleague wins out of any player).

On September 06 2017 22:04 Alarak89 wrote:

As sOs said in the interview, he prefers to have a revenge over Bogus in final. If he is a coward he would never have accomplished this level.

On September 07 2017 00:26 seopthi wrote:
Any recommended games?

On September 06 2017 23:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am no sOs fan, not at all. I still think these "anti sOs" comments are unreasonable tbh, every time this guy gets far in GSL people still imply he is bad. Sure you might get lucky here and there but sOs does it again and again.
Wouldn't even be surprised if he wins the finals now even though i think Inno and Dark are favored. But Stats should have been as well.

On September 07 2017 01:24 LTCM wrote:



I mean the guy has been to two GSL finals and an additional round of 4 in LOTV...in what, six GSLs total? But hey, he's lucky, so he makes 50% of GSL semi-finals right? Lolz.

On September 07 2017 03:10 DieuCure wrote:



He isn't lucky, but he is an awful gsl finalist macro/micro wise.

He is the proof that builds can bring you to gsl finals, even with bad mechanics if you compare with others gsl players. He wins without being impressive, every time, like an inverted(?) TY.

Special mention to his reaction time ...

On September 07 2017 04:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't like his playstyle, but results are results and you have to respect his. That's really all there is to it.

On September 07 2017 04:25 Diabolique wrote:

Well, I do not think that his victories have anything to do with "builds". It has a lot to do with stellar decision making under pressure, willingness to take risk and changing strategies on the go.

On September 07 2017 07:21 Poopi wrote:

To be honest the problem with sOs is that he often looks like shit, or disappoints against foreigners (see nation wars), he manages to go far in GSL with relatively lucky brackets but doesn't really deliver...
It's kinda annoying because he just never beats people when you expect him to.

On September 07 2017 10:22 swissman777 wrote:

The Korean sentence read that sOs has most premier league finals appearance among the active protoss players

On September 07 2017 07:54 Alarak89 wrote:

But should we trust his offline winrates, champion titles and other result wise data, or should we trust these "looks like shit", "disappoints against foreigners", "relatively lucky brackets but doesn't really deliver" things over five years?
If "he just never beats people when you expect him to", then maybe you can explain why he has such a high offline winrates career wise or all the wins are illusion? Anyway, did you expect him to win anyone or be a champion at any given time?

On September 07 2017 12:15 neutralrobot wrote:


I like sOs, personally. But I think his playstyle is one where he either wins and looks like a genius or loses and makes you wonder how he's even a pro. I know there are some exceptions here, and sometimes he has a brilliant idea that you can see and it doesn't pan out, but quite often when he loses he really just looks straight-up bad. That doesn't mean I think "he's bad", but it's easy to understand how a person could get the impression that he's bad unless he's lucky.

On a slightly different topic, it's interesting for me to see people hating on his playstyle for being so protoss-bullshitty, because I like to think of myself as someone who hates protoss bullshit (though I'm a long-time fan of the game, I really dislike some of their core design decisions for sc2 protoss). Yet, I really like watching sOs, and also herO and yep, even myungsik when he was on-point. Myungsik is an interesting example, because in my mind he was the absolute epitome of protoss bullshit. But he did it SO WELL that I had to respect him and I liked seeing how he pulled it off. He was kind of the Shine of sc2 protoss. The thing for me that gets under my skin is when protoss players win and it looks 100% like it was because of bullshit and had very little to do with skill. This happens from time to time for me with almost all protoss players. But I don't generally feel that way when I watch even these players: sOs has great creative strategic play -- nobody else does it like him. herO again is very skilled, and I think it shows every time he plays. Myungsik, however annoying a person might find it, played mind-games really well, and he had really good execution -- again, nobody else was doing it like him, and it didn't feel like a coin-flip to me.

On September 07 2017 12:15 neutralrobot wrote:


I like sOs, personally. But I think his playstyle is one where he either wins and looks like a genius or loses and makes you wonder how he's even a pro. I know there are some exceptions here, and sometimes he has a brilliant idea that you can see and it doesn't pan out, but quite often when he loses he really just looks straight-up bad. That doesn't mean I think "he's bad", but it's easy to understand how a person could get the impression that he's bad unless he's lucky.

On a slightly different topic, it's interesting for me to see people hating on his playstyle for being so protoss-bullshitty, because I like to think of myself as someone who hates protoss bullshit (though I'm a long-time fan of the game, I really dislike some of their core design decisions for sc2 protoss). Yet, I really like watching sOs, and also herO and yep, even myungsik when he was on-point. Myungsik is an interesting example, because in my mind he was the absolute epitome of protoss bullshit. But he did it SO WELL that I had to respect him and I liked seeing how he pulled it off. He was kind of the Shine of sc2 protoss. The thing for me that gets under my skin is when protoss players win and it looks 100% like it was because of bullshit and had very little to do with skill. This happens from time to time for me with almost all protoss players. But I don't generally feel that way when I watch even these players: sOs has great creative strategic play -- nobody else does it like him. herO again is very skilled, and I think it shows every time he plays. Myungsik, however annoying a person might find it, played mind-games really well, and he had really good execution -- again, nobody else was doing it like him, and it didn't feel like a coin-flip to me.

On September 07 2017 12:50 Alarak89 wrote:

I think you didn't get my point though, like Tastosis said in the stream, the most important thing for a pro-gamer is to win, no matter how dirty you play or how shaky you looks like during a game, you need to come on top at the end as long as you don't cheat. So I'll simply look at their past offline results as my reference instead of their "current form", if a player has a offline winrates over 60%, ofc he is doing fine regardless of play style in games.
And because of this, I think Myungsik is nowhere near sOs and herO career wise, even his play style is similar to sOs in a sense, he lost way more games than sOs or herO, and their offline title numbers just explained everything.