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On June 24 2017 20:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The other day, Scarlett said on twitter she should have switched to Protoss years ago. soO replied that he should have too and the quickly deleted it. When you look at the number of premier wins and even finalists over the last months, can't say it isn't hard out there for a Zerg right now even with the pools supposedly be so Zerg favored.
I remember it was the same during the last 2 years of HotS: Zerg seemed little, weak, uncapable of winning any premier tournament in Korea.... only one player, the God of Zerg, proved how far you can push a race and destroyed all forms of deathball. Life found a way, again and again...
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On June 24 2017 20:48 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 20:45 Charoisaur wrote:On June 24 2017 20:44 DieuCure wrote:On June 24 2017 20:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The other day, Scarlett said on twitter she should have switched to Protoss years ago. soO replied that he should have too and the quickly deleted it. When you look at the number of premier wins and even finalists over the last months, can't say it isn't hard out there for a Zerg right now even with the pools supposedly be so Zerg favored. Zerg are in 90% of Blizzard's events finals Problem is soO always plays against players in the shape of their life, when he is just constant most players who reach a gsl finals are in the shape of their life Ye but not him, gumiho will fall appart now, just like Byun, zest, etc , when soO isnt like a monster for X time, but always at a good lvl. I cant believe Gumiho can reproduce it, when soO will 100%
soO was on an absolute tear in his hots finals streak, playing like a pure god until the finals in most of those runs
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On June 24 2017 20:49 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 20:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The other day, Scarlett said on twitter she should have switched to Protoss years ago. soO replied that he should have too and the quickly deleted it. When you look at the number of premier wins and even finalists over the last months, can't say it isn't hard out there for a Zerg right now even with the pools supposedly be so Zerg favored. I remember it was the same during the last 2 years of HotS: Zerg seemed little, weak, uncapable of winning any premier tournament in Korea.... only one player, the God of Zerg, proved how far you can push a race and destroyed all forms of deathball. Life found a way, again and again...
Life was never consistent though. Usually he showed up big for half a year and then fell off.
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Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game.
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On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game.
I'm pretty sure the fact that Z cant get ahead in eco early anymore is THE factor that matters
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On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game.
If you open GSL threads of HotS, you can read exactly the same type of complaints, but you know what was different back in the days? That there was a player who was so good that all these things didn't even matter
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On June 24 2017 20:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game. I'm pretty sure the fact that Z cant get ahead in eco early anymore is THE factor that matters
soO was in both finals, dark at blizzcon finals etc, zerg isnt terrible, just look at Classic vs soO, Gumiho was the best player of the tournament, nomatch against Maru, win against TY is a really big achievment, you cant just say " yes zerg is terrible that's why gumiho won"
+ Mech is OP
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On June 24 2017 20:58 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 20:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game. I'm pretty sure the fact that Z cant get ahead in eco early anymore is THE factor that matters soO was in both finals, dark at blizzcon finals etc, zerg isnt terrible, just look at Classic vs soO, Gumiho was the best player of the tournament, nomatch against Maru, win against TY is a really big achievment, you cant just say " yes zerg is terrible that's why gumiho won"
Of course it's not,giving that a Zerg player reached the finals of all the 3 premier events of this season : WCS,GSL and SSL.
EDIT: Only Ravens are OP and disgustingly bad designed
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Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend.
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On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game.
You say that but Life Dark and soO have shown to push the upper limits of what zerg is capable of dispite times of their race being in a deficit.
remember soO getting to 6 finals is incredible even if he didn't win. He stomp classic, maru, dark etc on the way there.
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On June 24 2017 20:58 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 20:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 24 2017 20:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Zerg is terrible at the very top level. There's so so much scaling Terran and Protoss have, so many tools and control opportunities. Look at Zerg early game. They have nearly nothing. LotV added ravagers and in exchange gave T and P equal economy and even more tools that require less dedicated investment.
In foreign level sure Zerg is great, but I said to myself a year ago that Zerg won't win another GSL in LotV, and I stand by it. Life was also arguably the most talented and opportunistic player to ever touch this game, and without someone who can bend the norms of the game and pry open cracks that small it becomes a lot more obvious the position top Zergs are in for LotV. If Zerg had been on the receiving end of a totally unscouted all-in in that game 6, no hope at all. Meanwhile gumi can hold because of a plethora of tools, mass repair, cloak banshees, insane early DPS cyclones and high-speed unload core units with healing into your opponent's main medivacs. All available early in the game. I'm pretty sure the fact that Z cant get ahead in eco early anymore is THE factor that matters soO was in both finals, dark at blizzcon finals etc, zerg isnt terrible, just look at Classic vs soO, Gumiho was the best player of the tournament, nomatch against Maru, win against TY is a really big achievment, you cant just say " yes zerg is terrible that's why gumiho won" + Mech is OP
I agree that Gumiho is in impressive form, the best he's ever been in. I still think Z could do with a gentle boost in lotv, nothing major, but to help them get more momentum early game which they struggle to do in this iteration.
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In hots zerg had more final appearences than any other race right? I swear every final was TvZ or PvZ
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On June 24 2017 21:01 Saechiis wrote:
Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend.
Never thought I'd read that sentence in a lifetime
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On June 24 2017 21:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 21:01 Saechiis wrote:
Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend. Never thought I'd read that sentence in a lifetime
why do people give him attention. he's not even a good player
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On June 24 2017 21:03 Fango wrote:
In hots zerg had more final appearences than any other race right? I swear every final was TvZ or PvZ
SSL had Maru vs Dream and Classic vs Dream.
OSL had Maru vs Rain.
Everything else was indeed TvZ/PvZ, but it helps when you have double Kongs  (soO and ByuL)
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On June 24 2017 21:06 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 21:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 24 2017 21:01 Saechiis wrote:
Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend. Never thought I'd read that sentence in a lifetime why do people give him attention. he's not even a good player
If he isnt that good but still one of the sc2"s streamer with more than 500 viewers there is reasons.
He is funny.
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On June 24 2017 21:01 Saechiis wrote:
Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend.
wait is @avilosc2 his real account or a parody?
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On June 24 2017 21:08 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 21:06 Fango wrote:On June 24 2017 21:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 24 2017 21:01 Saechiis wrote:
Reading Avilo's twitter is making me feel better, woudl recommend. Never thought I'd read that sentence in a lifetime why do people give him attention. he's not even a good player If he isnt that good but still one of the sc2"s streamer with more than 500 viewers there is reasons. He is funny.
it's painful to watch.
at least idra back was a good player so the whining was kinda funny
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