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On March 20 2017 23:21 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:17 Aunvilgodess wrote:On March 20 2017 23:11 Olli wrote:On March 20 2017 23:03 pvsnp wrote:Ah, I see what you mean. You and I are talking about two different problems.
You: How games are won
Me: How many games are won Yes, I've been saying that the entire time. Winrates don't necessarily reflect the actual state of balance, otherwise PvT in 2014 would have been far worse for much longer. But what you got was statistics being distorted by only the best terrans ever qualifying and playing in tournaments, and those could still beat weaker Protoss. That's what's happening right now, only that there's just one Protoss competing with 4+ Terrans at the highest level, when it was Maru, Taeja, sometimes Flash and sometimes Cure in 2014. You mean the state of gameplay quality? Because Balance and Winrates are the same thing, if you look at the relevant winrates (GSL/SSL). Maybe Tank pushes are a problem, but its imo too early to judge that. And if it is a problem it will get reflected over a sufficiently large amount of games. Tank pushes have been a problem for months and no patch has addressed them, what are you on about? Why do you think I heard "phoenix/adept or die trying" from every protoss at IEM? Winrates and balance are not the same thing, as I just showed you with the blink era winrates. They lowest TvP winrate during that time (45%) was 5% higher than Protoss winrates just over a month ago, yet you'd be crazy to argue that the game wasn't far more imbalanced then. Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:18 pvsnp wrote:You mean the state of gameplay quality? Because Balance and Winrates are the same thing, if you look at the relevant winrates (GSL/SSL). Maybe Tank pushes are a problem, but its imo too early to judge that.
Tank pushes are very map-dependent and situational. Look at Games 5, 6, 7 of IEM Finals. Stats crushed TY's tank push with ease because they were on Honorgrounds and fought on open terrain. Compare that with Bel'shir where TY set up a contain uncontested, or Cactus with its narrow chokes. TY also lost two mines and a medivac without doing any damage prior to that push, which really shouldn't happen.
Balance and Winrates are the same thing imo. Maybe not the foreigner winrates but the GSL winrates for sure. Yes, it happens that GSL tends to reflect balance less quickly than other tournaments but otherwise we just don't have safe info and shouldnt judge too early.
And if I am to bring anecdotal evidence as well, I have seen a lot of awesome TvP macro games lately.
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Does anyone know why they use such an outdated map pool tho? Ladder maps are decent right now and would be easier to practice for players.
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On March 21 2017 00:20 Poopi wrote:
Does anyone know why they use such an outdated map pool tho? Ladder maps are decent right now and would be easier to practice for players.
If I had to guess I'd say they consulted the players on which map pool to use. And probably got a lot of objections for Paladino.
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Somebody on reddit claims that the players discussed the pool in the Korean whatsapp.
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constructive criticism on the cast - when wolf was casting with valdes a lot of people didnt like him or didnt think his knowledge was "good enough," but what he brought to the casts with valdes was a lot of theorycrafting about the specific interactions of the players' strategies. even when he was outright wrong about something there were actually times when brendan disagreed or corrected him on things, and i liked that he was being active about discussing the interactions of the game, i liked the direction it took the casts in
the new guy (rapid?), he's obviously colorful and high-energy, and i don't think there's anything wrong with that, but i think sometimes he gets so distracted with his own jokes and tangents that it's honestly taking away from things going on in the game that could be talked about, and valdez seems to just go along with it a lot of the time
i actually think valdes is more knowledgeable than people give him credit for, and with rapid being more about play-by-play and catchphrases i think valdes could be taking the lead in doing more analysis. valdes may not be the "top analytical caster" or whatever but he's been doing sc2 long enough that he can follow the game and i think he definitely understands it a little bit more than rapid
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On March 21 2017 00:47 brickrd wrote:
constructive criticism on the cast - when wolf was casting with valdes a lot of people didnt like him or didnt think his knowledge was "good enough," but what he brought to the casts with valdes was a lot of theorycrafting about the specific interactions of the players' strategies. even when he was outright wrong about something there were actually times when brendan disagreed or corrected him on things, and i liked that he was being active about discussing the interactions of the game, i liked the direction it took the casts in
the new guy (rapid?), he's obviously colorful and high-energy, and i don't think there's anything wrong with that, but i think sometimes he gets so distracted with his own jokes and tangents that it's honestly taking away from things going on in the game that could be talked about, and valdez seems to just go along with it a lot of the time
i actually think valdes is more knowledgeable than people give him credit for, and with rapid being more about play-by-play and catchphrases i think valdes could be taking the lead in doing more analysis. valdes may not be the "top analytical caster" or whatever but he's been doing sc2 long enough that he can follow the game and i think he definitely understands it a little bit more than rapid
Rapid only replaced Wolf today because Wolf couldn't make it there, the main casting duo will be Wolf & Valdes. So your criticism probably won't amount to all too much at the end of the day.
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I think analytical casting is overrated anyway. I don't need casters to constantly do predictions. I just want no-BS play by play casts. Or just say "I think XY is going to happen" instead of "XY is going to happen".
Or maybe just analyze in retrospect, when you know what has happened.
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And it continues, Zerg doing poorly in GSL but just killing it in SSL.
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On March 21 2017 01:11 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I think analytical casting is overrated anyway. I don't need casters to constantly do predictions. I just want no-BS play by play casts. Or just say "I think XY is going to happen" instead of "XY is going to happen".
Or maybe just analyze in retrospect, when you know what has happened.
Indeed. Especially in this community, where I think most of us could easily follow the flow of 90% of games with the stream muted.
Hell, I'd value a highly skilled observer much more over a purely analytical commentator. I cringe when I see a critical engagement being missed on the minimap while the camera hangs out at a Xel'naga tower or when the army/resources lost/income graphs aren't utilized enough.
Anyway, I find Rapid awesome and think he brings a certain liveliness to the cast. Keep him with either Valdez or Wolf, makes no difference to me.
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On March 21 2017 01:24 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And it continues, Zerg doing poorly in GSL but just killing it in SSL.
Race wise I prefer SSL. :D Down with Protoss! 
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On March 21 2017 01:24 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And it continues, Zerg doing poorly in GSL but just killing it in SSL.
There's a Zerg in the GSL finals so it's not that bad.
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man that first series was a letdown
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In what way? Or, are you talking about your sexual prowess again..or lack thereof...if you are my mistake.
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I just started watching the VOD, just want to say that the set is so freaking awesome. Awesome design and I love the colors.
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On March 21 2017 02:07 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 01:24 mCon.Hephaistas wrote:
And it continues, Zerg doing poorly in GSL but just killing it in SSL. There's a Zerg in the GSL finals so it's not that bad.
but theres not 2. idk where you came from but 50% was an F when I went to school
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On March 21 2017 04:23 SilentRaven wrote:
In what way? Or, are you talking about your sexual prowess again..or lack thereof...if you are my mistake.
should be pretty clear
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On March 21 2017 07:26 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 04:23 SilentRaven wrote:
In what way? Or, are you talking about your sexual prowess again..or lack thereof...if you are my mistake. should be pretty clear
10-4, as a woman I can attest to us being very understanding in general....
In all seriousness though, I did think Maru played the series well, if there's anybody that knows sOs, Maru should be among them. Although in a longer series my money would still be on sOs, especially in a big tournament.
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On March 21 2017 09:04 SilentRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 07:26 Aunvilgodess wrote:On March 21 2017 04:23 SilentRaven wrote:
In what way? Or, are you talking about your sexual prowess again..or lack thereof...if you are my mistake. should be pretty clear 10-4, as a woman I can attest to us being very understanding in general.... In all seriousness though, I did think Maru played the series well, if there's anybody that knows sOs, Maru should be among them. Although in a longer series my money would still be on sOs, especially in a big tournament.
I mean SSL is a big tournament, right? You should be glad that sOs along with Stats can still carry their poor race atm.
Unlike other Protoss players, at least they can take one set from their teammates 
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