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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
March 04 2017 22:09 GMT
#2181
On March 05 2017 07:08 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:44 Musicus wrote:
[quote]
Nerchio is just honest. Losing to Stats is okay for him, so he can congratulate him. If he lost to Pili skytossing him again or something, the salt would be real!

The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.


By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Do they? I thought foreign hopes always got the most hype around them. Lilbow at blizzcon, neeb at kespa cup, scarlett in GSL etc

Just talking about a minority!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 04 2017 22:11 GMT
#2182
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 04 2017 22:11 GMT
#2183
On March 05 2017 07:09 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:08 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
[quote]
The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/838049984880730112

By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Do they? I thought foreign hopes always got the most hype around them. Lilbow at blizzcon, neeb at kespa cup, scarlett in GSL etc

Just talking about a minority!


I guess. although i will admit watching nerchio lose to koreans is funny to watch even if he's the foreign hope. maybe thats just when he plays vs Maru lol
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2184
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano

First we'd need someone like that. Then we'd need them to get opportunities to prove themselves against Koreans.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2185
On March 05 2017 07:09 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:08 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
[quote]
The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/838049984880730112

By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Do they? I thought foreign hopes always got the most hype around them. Lilbow at blizzcon, neeb at kespa cup, scarlett in GSL etc

Broadly speaking yeah, but they also get tons of venom on TL, reddit, etc.

It's cool to have foreign hopes, though I think they immediately cause the casters to overhype them.

Foreigners always getting overhyped is one of the reasons I often cheer against foreigners.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2186
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2187
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano


Neeb's sitting there with 7K viewers for a kespa cup final

good job SPOTV
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2188
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano


We need a foreigner to go to Korea and win GSL then we can all die happy.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
March 04 2017 22:12 GMT
#2189
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano

We would first need more global events though. From now on we will only see Scarlett in GSL and then BlizzCon.

Plus the Korea vs World event I guess.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 04 2017 22:14 GMT
#2190
On March 05 2017 07:12 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano


Neeb's sitting there with 7K viewers for a kespa cup final

good job SPOTV

KeSPA told them to stream exclusively on Youtube.

Probably knew what was coming.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 04 2017 22:14 GMT
#2191
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:44 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:42 Fango wrote:
[quote]

I think Nerchio is aware that him posting on twitter after losing is almost a meme, and he's now gonna post positivity in some meta responce

Nerchio is just honest. Losing to Stats is okay for him, so he can congratulate him. If he lost to Pili skytossing him again or something, the salt would be real!

The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/838049984880730112

By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Ah cmon that's just not true. It's just that personally i followed the korean scene way more and thus have more players i care about in that scene. It's as simple as that. Why did i pretty much only follow that scene? Because it was (and still is) the scene with the highest lvl of gameplay, the most content, the most interesting tournament structures, etc.
People care for the players they watch a lot, it's really as simple as that. If blizzard would have been actually good at their job of creating an interesting WCS scene and thus helped develop the foreign talent/star players i would probably also have a lot of foreign players as my favorites. It was done very poorly though.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
March 04 2017 22:15 GMT
#2192
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.

Who doesn't want them to be around? As long as they deserve to be there and don't get a charity seed or something like that I don't think anyone has a problem with them being there.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 04 2017 22:15 GMT
#2193
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.


funny because nerchio was one of the guys who wanted cups just for foreigners haha
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 04 2017 22:16 GMT
#2194
On March 05 2017 07:15 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.


funny because nerchio was one of the guys who wanted cups just for foreigners haha

3 or 4 where they can guarantee themselves a living. But he also wanted a lot more global events than we have now.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
March 04 2017 22:16 GMT
#2195
On March 05 2017 07:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:44 Musicus wrote:
[quote]
Nerchio is just honest. Losing to Stats is okay for him, so he can congratulate him. If he lost to Pili skytossing him again or something, the salt would be real!

The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/838049984880730112

By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Ah cmon that's just not true. It's just that personally i followed the korean scene way more and thus have more players i care about in that scene. It's as simple as that. Why did i pretty much only follow that scene? Because it was (and still is) the scene with the highest lvl of gameplay, the most content, the most interesting tournament structures, etc.
People care for the players they watch a lot, it's really as simple as that. If blizzard would have been actually good at their job of creating an interesting WCS scene and thus helped develop the foreign talent/star players i would probably also have a lot of foreign players as my favorites. It was done very poorly though.


Yeah. The lack of interest in Starcraft has almost nothing to do with Koreans though. If fewer people play a game over time it will have significantly less viewership. League, Dota 2, Csgo etc have orders of magnitude more players playing the game/interested in general. There really is no secret here
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 04 2017 22:17 GMT
#2196
On March 05 2017 07:14 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:12 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:11 Penev wrote:
you'd get the most viewers if a foreigner actually manages to do well vs koreans

we need a new stephano


Neeb's sitting there with 7K viewers for a kespa cup final

good job SPOTV

KeSPA told them to stream exclusively on Youtube.

Probably knew what was coming.

the last fu from kespaaaaaaaaaaaaa (;
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
March 04 2017 22:18 GMT
#2197
On March 05 2017 07:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:05 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:00 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:53 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:52 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:50 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:47 Musicus wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
On March 05 2017 06:44 Musicus wrote:
[quote]
Nerchio is just honest. Losing to Stats is okay for him, so he can congratulate him. If he lost to Pili skytossing him again or something, the salt would be real!

The point is that losing vs Stats this way was painful for me and Byun, we got outplayed really hard and it felt like we had no chance

Yeah, makes sense to me. People are just not used to nice tweets like this from you I guess.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/838049984880730112

By 'people' do you mean few random haters on TL?

Pretty much :D

They have to think hard nowadays to come up with reasons to hate.

It's probably the same people that think that having brackets full of Koreans will make the game more popular

You just can't change it. Some people just always want a full Korean bracket, even if it meant that the quality of games would be worse.


Lol. People want brackets full of Koreansbecause Koreans are almost univerally better players that produce more exciting games. Unless you change the DNA of these players or give foreigners true drive/skill than it won't change anytime soon

The importnant part in what you wrote here is ALMOST.

The sad thing is, some people just want foreigners to fail, regardless of skill.

Some people would've been happier with Patience and TRUE getting out of group C over Serral and Nerchio for example. Just for the reason that they are Korean.


Ah cmon that's just not true. It's just that personally i followed the korean scene way more and thus have more players i care about in that scene. It's as simple as that. Why did i pretty much only follow that scene? Because it was (and still is) the scene with the highest lvl of gameplay, the most content, the most interesting tournament structures, etc.
People care for the players they watch a lot, it's really as simple as that. If blizzard would have been actually good at their job of creating an interesting WCS scene and thus helped develop the foreign talent/star players i would probably also have a lot of foreign players as my favorites. It was done very poorly though.

I definitely did not mean you though . What I mentioned still exists.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 04 2017 22:19 GMT
#2198
On March 05 2017 07:15 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.

Who doesn't want them to be around? As long as they deserve to be there and don't get a charity seed or something like that I don't think anyone has a problem with them being there.


snute was like 17th wcs place iirc before they started region locking cups. he almost got to blizzcon without any charity tournaments. I fully believe that nerchio, showtime, scarlett etc with their current skill level would be able to get in without region locked cups giving out WCS points
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
March 04 2017 22:20 GMT
#2199
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.


People who cheer for Koreans do it for the skill; personality second. People who cheer for Foreigners do it for personality first. Then skill (for that foreign "hope").

No doubt, I also cheer for skilled foreigners; but let's be honest and admit that foreigners who can go toe-to-toe with Koreans is extremely rare.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 04 2017 22:21 GMT
#2200
On March 05 2017 07:20 plogamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 07:12 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:09 Fango wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:07 Phredxor wrote:
On March 05 2017 07:02 Penev wrote:
I think you can't do much better than IEM this tourney both in terms of format and korean/ foreigner ratio


Agreed. Having basically the best Koreans and the top foreigners competing in the same tourney is always the most fun. We don't get enough of it any more.


It really is. sadly some people just wanna see full brackets of nothing but foreigners though


Oh totally. Same with people who only want Koreans. Players like Nerchio/Showtime are good enough to compete with most Koreans so I don't know why people wouldn't want them around.


People who cheer for Koreans do it for the skill; personality second. People who cheer for Foreigners do it for personality first. Then skill (for that foreign "hope").

No doubt, I also cheer for skilled foreigners; but let's be honest and admit that foreigners who can go toe-to-toe with Koreans is extremely rare.

Neeb has no personality to cheer for so I assume this means people cheer for his skill, right?
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