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On March 03 2017 04:07 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:06 Elentos wrote:On March 03 2017 04:06 Nerchio wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Elentos wrote:
Neeb is having a bad day. when it's not your day, week, month or even a patch When your race winrates are on the rise but you are still losing left and right :D When you try really hard but Nerchio is still the foreign hope. How's your ZvP coming along? It's terrible since 2010
Alright sounds great, first place confirmed.
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wow the FlaSh turret. That kt influence.
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On March 03 2017 04:07 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:06 Elentos wrote:On March 03 2017 04:06 Nerchio wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Elentos wrote:
Neeb is having a bad day. when it's not your day, week, month or even a patch When your race winrates are on the rise but you are still losing left and right :D When you try really hard but Nerchio is still the foreign hope. How's your ZvP coming along? It's terrible since 2010
your last vP was a loss vs Neeb even
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On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make.
Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012)
Few players come close
At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF
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Tfw even CranK doesn't have another game than this
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On March 03 2017 04:08 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:07 Nerchio wrote:On March 03 2017 04:06 Elentos wrote:On March 03 2017 04:06 Nerchio wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:04 Elentos wrote:
Neeb is having a bad day. when it's not your day, week, month or even a patch When your race winrates are on the rise but you are still losing left and right :D When you try really hard but Nerchio is still the foreign hope. How's your ZvP coming along? It's terrible since 2010 your last vP was a loss vs Neeb even
A lot of PvZ gods these days 
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Neeb might win this one tho
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On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF
Life cheesed his way into a GSL win and a Blizzcon final. Not like INnoVation, the best macro player of all time.
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What's the point of proxying a gateway.
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On March 03 2017 04:10 Pandain wrote:
What's the point of proxying a gateway.
naked pylon has a much longer warp-in time
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On March 03 2017 04:10 Pandain wrote:
What's the point of proxying a gateway.
Faster warp-ins
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On March 03 2017 04:10 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF Life cheesed his way into a GSL win and a Blizzcon final. Not like INnoVation, the best macro player of all time.
Inno is #1 in my heart, and that is the only place that matters
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On March 03 2017 04:11 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:10 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF Life cheesed his way into a GSL win and a Blizzcon final. Not like INnoVation, the best macro player of all time. Inno is #1 in my heart, and that is the only place that matters
soulkey won the gsl and that's all that matters
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On March 03 2017 04:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:11 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:10 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:
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Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF Life cheesed his way into a GSL win and a Blizzcon final. Not like INnoVation, the best macro player of all time. Inno is #1 in my heart, and that is the only place that matters soulkey won the gsl and that's all that matters
innovation won 2 more while soulkey silently retired :D
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In HotS that could have worked.
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On March 03 2017 04:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:11 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:10 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:
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Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF Life cheesed his way into a GSL win and a Blizzcon final. Not like INnoVation, the best macro player of all time. Inno is #1 in my heart, and that is the only place that matters soulkey won the gsl and that's all that matters
Inno lost the gsl all by himself, soulkey just picked up the trophy
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On March 03 2017 04:09 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 04:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:59 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. He won 3 Korean premiers, two of them being code S and 10 premiers total (2 MLG among the most stack of all time, 1 blizzcon, 1 blizzcup, 2 Code S, 2 IEM, 1 DH and IS2 reversing all kill DRG in the finals) The only player with more tournament win is Taeja but 3 of them are Homestory cup and none a Korean premier The only player with a comparative set of wins is mvp with 3 code S (2 of them beating MarineKong in finals) and one bullshit pin with less value than life blizzcon His "blizzcon" win is him 4-3 Nestea He didn't even have to beat a single Korean to win WCG He won one IEM beting all the european patch zergs His MLG win is the only tournament appart from code S that had value Two Code S finals also So yeah I don't see how someone can argue that life isn't #1 mvp is #2 for sure Not every tournament is worth the same. Sometimes a ro4 finish in GSL is worth more than a tournament win for a weekend tournament. Sometimes a great proleague record could be worth the same/worth more. That's the point i am trying to make. Sure but life has 4 top 4 in code S and that was during the most stacked period, when there were 3 Code S a year not the 8 code S mvp had in 2011 or the five he had in 2012 (Life first code S apparence was the GSL4 2012) Few players come close At the end of the year Zest/Inno/Byun/Maru might have a shot at being the best but I don't think they will TBF
As i said i am not trying to state that there are players who absolutely are above him. I think the gap isn't as big (maybe even tiny) as people think it is though. There are some players who had similar results over the span of their careers imo.
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Don't think even the Inno haters can argue that his mechanics aren't the best anyone has ever had. But whether he's the overall best is arguable.
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On March 03 2017 04:04 Elentos wrote:
Neeb is having a bad day.
He's been having a bad day since he won Kespa cup to be honest
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