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[GSL Code S] Season 1 2017 - Group C - Page 16
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VHbb
692 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
It's seperate boX series and every boX decides something. It doesn't matter how many maps you won/lost in total, just like it doesn't matter when you play a different boX series a day after that. The only problem with the GSL system is that you can get unlucky facing the same opponent a second time (like let's say sOs is a beast but his one kryptonite is billowy, that would have been incredibly unfair for him as well) So yeah people will always find potential flaws in a system, i would argue the flaw i just presented is a bigger one than going 3-2 and not advancing though  | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:52 VHbb wrote: Well SoS had to win against Curious (and Billowy to loose against soO) in order for this situation to happen, they didn't simply play 2 BO3 (SoS vs Billowy) in a row Curious who did literally nothing during all LoTV and qualify by winning a single BO3 against Bunny I'm not particulary mad I just think this format is bad  | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok it's not the best comparison because one result is strictly at the same day and the other probably not, it's still similar though. It's seperate boX series and every boX decides something. It doesn't matter how many maps you won/lost in total, just like it doesn't matter when you play a different boX series a day after that. The only problem with the GSL system is that you can get unlucky facing the same opponent a second time (like let's say sOs is a beast but his one kryptonite is billowy, that would have been incredibly unfair for him as well) So yeah people will always find potential flaws in a system, i would argue the flaw i just presented is a bigger one than going 3-2 and not advancing though How is that a flaw in the system? How is it even anything close to unfair? If Billowy was sOs' one kryptonite, it's up to sOs to work on that problem, it's not the system's job to protect him from the evil Soulkey Toss (  ). It's just unfortunate, but I'd never see that as some sort of major flaw. It's also kind of unavoidable with double elimination systems.I mean I guess round robin might be fairer. | ||
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
Feel sorry to him cause i think he practiced hard for this tournament. Anyway congratz to sOs & soO 2 of my favourite players. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:21 i-MajiN wrote: Billowy played very well yesterday against such protoss as herO and Classic. He showed us a great defense. I thought he could qualify but sadly he failed Feel sorry to him cause i think he practiced hard for this tournament. Anyway congratz to sOs & soO 2 of my favourite players. Small online tournaments and big offline tournaments are two different worlds. Offline experience is not something that a rookie player can gain quickly and this leads to the result today. However, if sOs keep playing PvP like this, he will drop out Ro.16, soO's ZvP is not very solid today either. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:30 Alarak89 wrote: Small online tournaments and big offline tournaments are two different worlds. Offline experience is not something that a rookie player can gain quickly and this leads to the result today. However, if sOs keep playing PvP like this, he will drop out Ro.16, soO's ZvP is not very solid today either. Protoss players keep telling me that there won't be many of them left after the Ro32 so maybe sOs won't have to worry. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:03 Elentos wrote: How is that a flaw in the system? How is it even anything close to unfair? If Billowy was sOs' one kryptonite, it's up to sOs to work on that problem, it's not the system's job to protect him from the evil Soulkey Toss ( ). It's just unfortunate, but I'd never see that as some sort of major flaw. It's also kind of unavoidable with double elimination systems.I mean I guess round robin might be fairer. I am simply saying that double elim groups are incredibly "bracket luck" dependant. Starting matchups shape the whole group and if you are somewhat unlucky you don't advance simply because you have to play your worst matchup two times even though you are a god in the other two. Round robin is better in that way, yes. Even though it has obviously its own problems. I still prefer round robin. Also for people who look at mapscore as the main argument, sOs had a total of 4-3 and Billowy 4-4. The better player advanced today | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:38 Elentos wrote: Protoss players keep telling me that there won't be many of them left after the Ro32 so maybe sOs won't have to worry. I was about to say this...But yeah, maybe he should worry about his PvT rather than PvP. Hopefully there will be another Protoss survivor between Classic and Stats. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:45 Alarak89 wrote: I was about to say this...But yeah, maybe he should worry about his PvT rather than PvP. Hopefully there will be another Protoss survivor between Classic and Stats. I'm pretty scared for Stats atm. Stuck in a group with 2 Terrans (one of which is ByuN) with a ladder PvT win rate less than 50% and a huge mental block in the match-up. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12542 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:48 Elentos wrote: But when Billowy goes 3-2 vs sOs and sOs gets to advance because that's how the groups work, some people will ask themselves the question "So are we sure the better player advanced here?", and that question isn't unwarranted. The question is unwarranted for a different reason. Tournaments have never been about finding out who the better player is, tournaments are about who is winning the games. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:49 Elentos wrote: I'm pretty scared for Stats atm. Stuck in a group with 2 Terrans (one of which is ByuN) with a ladder PvT win rate less than 50% and a huge mental block in the match-up. I'm assuming he will lose to Byun, but the important question is, can he beat Ryung or not? | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:50 Nebuchad wrote: The question is unwarranted for a different reason. Tournaments have never been about finding out who the better player is, tournaments are about who is winning the games. If tournaments are solely about who is winning, why is there a 2nd chance for the players who didn't (double elimination)? Why give the discussion about your tournament system any basis? If you only care who wins you should use round robin. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12542 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:01 Elentos wrote: If tournaments are solely about who is winning, why is there a 2nd chance for the players who didn't (double elimination)? Why give the discussion about your tournament system any basis? If you only care who wins you should use round robin. Cause this system allows you to play more games, which makes for better storylines and better broadcasts than just playing one game and being done with it. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:04 Nebuchad wrote: Cause this system allows you to play more games, which makes for better storylines and better broadcasts than just playing one game and being done with it. The round robin doesn't have to be best of 1. If you have 4 people and make everyone play 2 games against everyone else you have 12 games for a 4 player group, a regular GSL group is between 10 and 15 games. So you could make it clear who wins and loses and fill your broadcast time. And don't even get me started on the whole storyline thing. Point is, they could use something different if they wanted to but they don't. So every time something like today occurs they'll get the same questions from 6 years ago. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12542 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:08 Elentos wrote: The round robin doesn't have to be best of 1. If you have 4 people and make everyone play 2 games against everyone else you have 12 games for a 4 player group, a regular GSL group is between 10 and 15 games. So you could make it clear who wins and loses and fill your broadcast time. And don't even get me started on the whole storyline thing. Point is, they could use something different if they wanted to but they don't. So every time something like today occurs they'll get the same questions from 6 years ago. Sry for some reason when you said round robin I read single elimination. Round robin and double elim are equivalent for players if you look at it objectively, so whichever you prefer is your personal taste. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
I truly dislike Tastosis casting. They have only a mediocre insight into gameplay, are extremely nerdy and go off on geek tangents that make me have to mute the cast at stages- 3minutes of a cast devoted to a cockroach reference. Truly an over-rated casting team. Why are they the only one or do we get to see wolf and khaldor (pretty sure he's moved on)? Much prefered. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:32 MyTHicaL wrote: Some nice games. Outcome of Billowy vs soO was obvious, 1 game won due to build orders and the others showcased soO's simple superiority. soO was 1 properly placed forcefield away from losing 0-2 to Billowy | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:23 Nebuchad wrote: Sry for some reason when you said round robin I read single elimination. Round robin and double elim are equivalent for players if you look at it objectively, so whichever you prefer is your personal taste. Tbf gsl format is much more predictable in terms of production. What SSL tried to do was cool and all but could have been a very short day or a long one. Also, it's not like we're giving sOs a second chance. sOs won against Curious and Billowy lost against soO. You could say it may be unfair to Billowy cuz he played better than sOs overall, but this format also prevents less skilled players getting through the stage just bc they managed to build two smart cheeses in few weeks. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I don't see how round robin and double elim are equivalent tbh, the only problem with round robin is the situation when somebody cannot advance anymore and therefore might not play his best in the deciding match for another player. Which tbf is a big problem. | ||
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