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Poll: Who Advances? sOs & soO (27) soO & Curious (3) Curious & sOs (2) Billowy & Curious (1) soO & Billowy (1) Billowy & sOs (1) 35 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): sOs & soO | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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 sOs 2-0 Billowy Curious 0-2 soOsOs 0-2 soOCurious 2-0 BillowysOs 2-1 Curious Great to see Curious is still alive. Could totally see him making it, but more likely sOs and soO. | ||
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On January 11 2017 15:39 KingofdaHipHop wrote: go sOs and soO! I feel like they're in the same ro32 group every year I felt the same way so I looked...they have met several times in the ro32 and oddly enough several times in group C o.O http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=soO 125 sOs 110&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
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On January 11 2017 17:56 paralleluniverse wrote: Why are the start times always wrong? This is off by 1 hours (from the start not the talk show). The Saturday post was off by 1.5 hours. both start times are correct. | ||
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Everyone else "I have trouble against Terran so buff us or nerf them immediately" I don't know Kev | ||
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On January 11 2017 18:40 Elentos wrote: sOs is like "I have trouble against Terran, so I think I'm not good enough" Everyone else "I have trouble against Terran so buff us or nerf them immediately" Blizzard: "Protoss has trouble vs Terran so here's a hydralisk buff" | ||
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 18:41 Ej_ wrote: Blizzard: "Protoss has trouble vs Terran so here's a hydralisk buff" "We see concerns about PvT early/midgame so here's Apotheosis" | ||
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On January 11 2017 18:42 Nayolbi wrote: Wasn't Curious supposed to go to army last year? Maybe he managed to postpone it further. "I am now a BJ" KOREA PLEASE | ||
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On January 11 2017 18:42 Nayolbi wrote: Wasn't Curious supposed to go to army last year? Yeah but then he made GSL RO4 & won Dreamhack iirc | ||
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Phredxor
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On January 11 2017 18:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote: he's a what and a progamer? He's a BJ. They are all BJ's now. | ||
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 18:44 LaughNgamez wrote: Yeah but then he made GSL RO4 & won Dreamhack iirc That was 2015 m8 | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
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i don't know what that is | ||
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Phredxor
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Broadcast jockey I believe. Aka Streamer. | ||
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On January 11 2017 18:48 Elentos wrote: Now Artosis thinks he has Billowy figured out but that's when he busts out the blink DT all-in I hope it becomes viable in all matchups. | ||
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Ej_
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Afreeca plz | ||
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 18:49 Ej_ wrote: nice, the only series I get to watch before having to leave is a PvP Afreeca plz How dare you leave? | ||
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Durnuu
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And sOsjwa too | ||
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Ej_
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I need 22 ECTS this semester | ||
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Elentos
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Fucking ECTS always ruining everything | ||
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i have to remember this is the KT all killing legend | ||
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 19:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: Soulkey wins again The washed-up SC2 player who decided to become an average BW player has nothing on Billowja | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:01 Elentos wrote: The washed-up SC2 player who decided to become an average BW player has nothing on Billowja Not sure about average  But yeah Billowy looks better relatively speaking :D | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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Go go sOs and soO! | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:05 Elentos wrote: With FeelsBadMan and FeelsSadMan and whatever variations I'm surprised we haven't gone full FeelsBatman yet. Considering the matchup, one could say FeelsTossMan | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:05 Elentos wrote: With FeelsBadMan and FeelsSadMan and whatever variations I'm surprised we haven't gone full FeelsBatman yet. | ||
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Ej_
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savage rekt | ||
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Nayolbi
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almost as good as this | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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you won't get payed this year like this | ||
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Ej_
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On January 11 2017 19:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: Disruptors are just soo bad, give us reavers give sOs a ticket home already | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:11 Nayolbi wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTZtl_Eo8OI almost as good as this blink stalkers on yeonsu... yeah there's nothing 'good' about that | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:13 atrox_ wrote: blink stalkers on yeonsu... yeah there's nothing 'good' about that oh it was amazing though, Flash had the game won and then decided to lose it no reason | ||
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paralleluniverse
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"Wednesday, Jan 11 7:30pm AAEST (GMT+10:00)". It's 8:30. | ||
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killerm12
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sOs on the other hand seems like he got "too comfortable" still being on a team | ||
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 19:13 Charoisaur wrote: teamhouse practice Superior teamhouse environment was a lie to protect foreigners all along #rigged | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:14 paralleluniverse wrote: "Wednesday, Jan 11 7:30pm AAEST (GMT+10:00)". It's 8:30. how is it OP's fault that you can't set up your clock on TL | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:13 Ej_ wrote: oh it was amazing though, Flash had the game won and then decided to lose it no reason it wasn't exactly his fault. at that time it was extremely hard to distinguish if he's going allin with the blinkstalkers or just blink pressure into third (which was also a very popular build). | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:11 Nayolbi wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTZtl_Eo8OI almost as good as this nothing can be as good as making flash salvage his bunkers to all kill KT | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:14 paralleluniverse wrote: "Wednesday, Jan 11 7:30pm AAEST (GMT+10:00)". It's 8:30. Must be an issue with TL's time conversion for your time zone, the CET and KST time are correct. | ||
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killerm12
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On January 11 2017 19:14 Penev wrote: I like no pants girl better we all do | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:14 paralleluniverse wrote: "Wednesday, Jan 11 7:30pm AAEST (GMT+10:00)". It's 8:30. that's a problem on your side, the timecode is proper in the post (1830 KST) | ||
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Elentos
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No Pants Zone confirmed? | ||
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Penev
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On January 11 2017 19:16 KingofdaHipHop wrote: that's a problem on your side, the timecode is proper in the post (1830 KST) It;s a thing that's different in his universe | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maybe Curious upsets too, he's had some great ZvZ in the past >.> Wouldn't surprise me one bit tbh, I almost LB'd soO and Curious but ended up LBing with the heart, soO and sOs | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Wouldn't surprise me one bit tbh, I almost LB'd soO and Curious but ended up LBing with the heart, soO and sOs i hope they win, i'm at 11th which is probably the highest i've ever been on sc2 liquibet (i was third in the middle of bw season once and i didn't know what i was doing but i finished poorly) | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:20 KingofdaHipHop wrote: wait is this really Billowy's first Code S? I don't think he ever made it through Code A in like 8 attempts. | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:26 Elentos wrote: If Billowy gets out in 1st, curse everyone's luck for LB'ing before Olimoleague. I always LB everything right when i see it :/ | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:26 Elentos wrote: If Billowy gets out in 1st, curse everyone's luck for LB'ing before Olimoleague. I LB immediately every time, i hate seeing any numbers/notifications on anything | ||
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CynicalDeath
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On January 11 2017 19:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: I always LB everything right when i see it :/ ...same here... sometimes this happens then... | ||
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Durnuu
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On January 11 2017 19:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: I always LB everything right when i see it :/ Same, otherwise I forget to LB | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:29 CynicalDeath wrote: ...same here... sometimes this happens then... Exactly. We got fucked because the LBs were available so long before Olimoleague. TL admins rigging this. | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:33 Elentos wrote: Exactly. We got fucked because the LBs were available so long before Olimoleague. TL admins rigging this. blame seeker | ||
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soO smart | ||
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wow | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + https://clips.twitch.tv/gsl/GrotesqueLapwingDansGame | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:44 OsaX Nymloth wrote: soOjwa + Show Spoiler + https://clips.twitch.tv/gsl/GrotesqueLapwingDansGame I read the URL as "GrotesqueLapDance" -.- | ||
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The return of BilloWIN | ||
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Charoisaur
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On January 11 2017 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: This is kinda frustrating tbh, Billowy didn't controll it well at all and still won easily units>no units | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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he's got some moves | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: This is kinda frustrating tbh, Billowy didn't controll it well at all and still won easily controlled it well enough against a third rate zerg build soo deserved the loss. | ||
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On January 11 2017 19:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Billowy was also the guy who did that proxy nexus on Waystation for the offensive recall all-in xD he's got some moves waystation made for some fun games | ||
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gg liquibets | ||
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It's like he killed sOs and stole his powers. Megaman style | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:00 killerm12 wrote: eh, who needs cannons when you have pylons and mamaship core the mans way to rush, RIP cannons | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:01 killerm12 wrote: "I'm not seing holes" - except for those 3 in wall These are not holes. Those are features that served to lead soO into a deadly trap! | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope Billowy doesn't make it out so all the hype dies immediately again Why do you hate fun? | ||
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killerm12
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he feeds on misery of others | ||
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It would be fun for me, i hate others having fun | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:05 KingofdaHipHop wrote: what's that unit called? Tall disruptor? Big stalker | ||
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Big Daddy | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:07 Penev wrote: soO is getting HotS'd which is a good thing :p | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:07 killerm12 wrote: proper Protoss deathball - how have I not missed you all I see is a dead toss | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + NotLikeThis | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote: isn't that ramp on daybreak a one forcefield choke? Not if you put your force field too far to the right... | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:06 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nah i actually would have loved some noname to show up and be a god. But Billowy?? :/ Doesn't seem like much of a difference. | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:11 Tiaraju9 wrote: Tasteless should make Artosis stop with this nonsense Billowy hype lol Too late now the ritual is complete and Billowy is cursed forever. | ||
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It's similar, but a newcomer would be way more powerful imo | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:26 Fyzar wrote: The classic 2-0 into 1-2 series. Really should've won game 2 I hope he still advances | ||
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Penev
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he has to fight the rematch curse as well now well might have to | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:30 sharkie wrote: Anyone knows how sOs can keep motivating himself to play? I mean after all these crazy earnings and probably zero expenses how do you motivate yourself to keep playing at the highest level? money doesn't last forever, better get more | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: GSL girl > ASL girl Agreed. sOs vs. Curious will hopefully be interesting. | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:30 sharkie wrote: Anyone knows how sOs can keep motivating himself to play? I mean after all these crazy earnings and probably zero expenses how do you motivate yourself to keep playing at the highest level? Not having money be the only thing to motivate you? | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:30 Penev wrote: he has to fight the rematch curse as well now well might have to He rekt sOs so nicely in the first match, it would be a tragedy if the rematch curse happened today. | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:32 Penev wrote: Not having money be the only thing to motivate you? He could just amove carriers vs zerg, fits v well into his playstyle tbh | ||
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Is this sOs or is it CoolTea? | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:39 Ej_ wrote: So scared of cannons Are your 22 ECTS in any danger now? | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:41 Ej_ wrote: Lollll)l 1 base adept DT Is this sOs or is it CoolTea? sOs is the most Russian Korean Protoss. | ||
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D: | ||
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Charoisaur
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 20:43 Ej_ wrote: Nobody has ever deserved a loss more than this I'm not sure about nobody but definitely not many people. | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:45 Elentos wrote: I'm not sure about nobody but definitely not many people. roro running his banes into Life's hatch during a 10 pool comes to mind funnily enough curious v sOs was in that group too | ||
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On January 11 2017 20:51 Elentos wrote: I didn't have high hopes for Curious but I was expecting... something? Well nevermind he's playing sOs | ||
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On January 11 2017 21:04 Penev wrote: oh dear the rematch is on Just arrived. How was the first set ? | ||
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i wouldnt call the games good, just really good reads from oen player, one of the players played fantastic | ||
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Penev
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Pretty one sided, sOs looked weak, Billowy played pretty well | ||
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On January 11 2017 21:22 Elentos wrote: Colossus wars in 2017, the size of Olli's boner is likely immeasurable right now. RIGHT I hate the colossus, pls just remove that failure of a unit | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 11 2017 21:28 Elentos wrote: Billowy, you've won my heart, it doesn't matter if you ruin my Liquibets, just advance from the group. Nah pls no. This season i wanna do well again | ||
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c0sm0naut
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Elentos
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On January 11 2017 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nah pls no. This season i wanna do well again I don't like sOs anyway so I really don't care for the Liquibets in this case. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:31 Elentos wrote: I don't like sOs anyway so I really don't care for the Liquibets in this case. I don't like sOs either, but i like my liquibets | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't like sOs either, but i like my liquibets I'm more concerned about the group on Saturday. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:34 Elentos wrote: I'm more concerned about the group on Saturday. Innovation + Byul I just wanna win this season -.- | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: Innovation + Byul I just wanna win this season -.- | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Haha Nah i will never win the sc2 one, i always lose points in the foreign events :/ (ok last season i lost it everywhere haha) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of reaver drops why didn't blizzard bring back reavers man instead of giving them two new units, they brought back lurkers afterall Pride or something. But tbh, reavers would be hard to balance in sc2 because of the pathing | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
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The_Red_Viper
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Penev
28477 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:51 Philozovic wrote: I really don't understand all that hate against extended series I don't really hate it, it's just a nonsensical concept. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Penev
28477 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:51 Philozovic wrote: I really don't understand all that hate against extended series what makes you think I hate it? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
Wait, extended series is what we have here? I thought it was the MLG version that was called that. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:56 Nebuchad wrote: Wait, extended series is what we have here? I thought it was the MLG version that was called that. This isn't an extended series, this is just double elimination (which just happened to get a rematch). Extended series is what MLG did yeah. | ||
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Penev
28477 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:56 Nebuchad wrote: Wait, extended series is what we have here? I thought it was the MLG version that was called that. It isn't but it's clear what Philozovic meant | ||
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Durnuu
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
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Elentos
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Penev
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:58 Penev wrote: It isn't but it's clear what Philozovic meant Tastosis were trolling about MLG earlier so I thought he refered to that. I'm probably wrong nvm | ||
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Penev
28477 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:00 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis were trolling about MLG earlier so I thought he refered to that. I'm probably wrong nvm Oh, missed that | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Also, Billowy on suicide watch. 3-2 against sOs overall but he lost the most important games. And 1 map away from beating soO and being first. FeelsBadMan | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
better luck next time billowy | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Penev
28477 Posts
a good skill toi have for sure | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:03 killerm12 wrote: that idra gg timing 40 supply and 5 disruptors down is an Idra GG now? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:03 Keeemy wrote: I love Tastosis so much. Also, Billowy on suicide watch. 3-2 against sOs overall but he lost the most important games. That on top of donating game 2 to soO is pretty sad yeah | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Penev
28477 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: Billowy hype dead again, everything is as it should be the natural order is unfair | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
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Penev
28477 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
Billowy == Sauce Toss best sound in sc2 is DT chopping probes worst sound in sc2 is DT chopping your probes sorry billowy | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:06 Elentos wrote: Rarely have I wanted my Liquibets to be wrong this much. I don't even see Billowy in your sig, fake hype is fake! | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On January 11 2017 21:58 Penev wrote: It isn't but it's clear what Philozovic meant No I meant back in the MLG days extended series were hated as F. But I personaly hate GSL format a lot more On January 11 2017 22:00 Nebuchad wrote: Tastosis were trolling about MLG earlier so I thought he refered to that. I'm probably wrong nvm nop you were right that's what I was refering about | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't even see Billowy in your sig, fake hype is fake! Yeah you're right I want my Liquibets to be wrong this much every time I have to bet on sOs. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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Penev
28477 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:17 Philozovic wrote: No I meant back in the MLG days extended series were hated as F. But I personaly hate GSL format a lot more nop you were right that's what I was refering about ah check, I missed the Tastosis MLG trolling | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:17 Elentos wrote: Yeah you're right I want my Liquibets to be wrong this much every time I have to bet on sOs. I mean if he is against someone really strong he will lose, so that might already be in the next round On January 11 2017 22:17 Philozovic wrote: No I meant back in the MLG days extended series were hated as F. But I personaly hate GSL format a lot more The GSL format is fine. Just think about it as two seperate bo3 series. You also wouldn't complain about Innovation advancing over Byul in the next group even though their lifetime record is in favor of Byul by 6 maps | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean if he is against someone really strong he will lose, so that might already be in the next round The GSL format is fine. Just think about it as two seperate bo3 series. You also wouldn't complain about Innovation advancing over Byul in the next group even though their lifetime record is in favor of Byul by 6 maps If Inno loses 3-2 to Byul but advances I will be glad obv but it still won't be fair. I also don't like bo3. I hate everything | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: The GSL format is fine. Just think about it as two seperate bo3 series. You also wouldn't complain about Innovation advancing over Byul in the next group even though their lifetime record is in favor of Byul by 6 maps Those are entirely different things. If Innovation 4-0's his group and someone tries to argue it's unfair he got to advance over ByuL after 2-0'ing him because he has a losing record historically, you tell him "You're an idiot. The better player on that day advanced." because his complaint isn't warranted. But when Billowy goes 3-2 vs sOs and sOs gets to advance because that's how the groups work, some people will ask themselves the question "So are we sure the better player advanced here?", and that question isn't unwarranted. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18402 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean if he is against someone really strong he will lose, so that might already be in the next round The GSL format is fine. Just think about it as two seperate bo3 series. You also wouldn't complain about Innovation advancing over Byul in the next group even though their lifetime record is in favor of Byul by 6 maps Come on, that is a horrible comparison... People can surely be upset if their players wins 3-2 maps but loses the day. | ||
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VHbb
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
It's seperate boX series and every boX decides something. It doesn't matter how many maps you won/lost in total, just like it doesn't matter when you play a different boX series a day after that. The only problem with the GSL system is that you can get unlucky facing the same opponent a second time (like let's say sOs is a beast but his one kryptonite is billowy, that would have been incredibly unfair for him as well) So yeah people will always find potential flaws in a system, i would argue the flaw i just presented is a bigger one than going 3-2 and not advancing though | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:52 VHbb wrote: Well SoS had to win against Curious (and Billowy to loose against soO) in order for this situation to happen, they didn't simply play 2 BO3 (SoS vs Billowy) in a row Curious who did literally nothing during all LoTV and qualify by winning a single BO3 against Bunny I'm not particulary mad I just think this format is bad | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok it's not the best comparison because one result is strictly at the same day and the other probably not, it's still similar though. It's seperate boX series and every boX decides something. It doesn't matter how many maps you won/lost in total, just like it doesn't matter when you play a different boX series a day after that. The only problem with the GSL system is that you can get unlucky facing the same opponent a second time (like let's say sOs is a beast but his one kryptonite is billowy, that would have been incredibly unfair for him as well) So yeah people will always find potential flaws in a system, i would argue the flaw i just presented is a bigger one than going 3-2 and not advancing though How is that a flaw in the system? How is it even anything close to unfair? If Billowy was sOs' one kryptonite, it's up to sOs to work on that problem, it's not the system's job to protect him from the evil Soulkey Toss ( ). It's just unfortunate, but I'd never see that as some sort of major flaw. It's also kind of unavoidable with double elimination systems.I mean I guess round robin might be fairer. | ||
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
Feel sorry to him cause i think he practiced hard for this tournament. Anyway congratz to sOs & soO 2 of my favourite players. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:21 i-MajiN wrote: Billowy played very well yesterday against such protoss as herO and Classic. He showed us a great defense. I thought he could qualify but sadly he failed Feel sorry to him cause i think he practiced hard for this tournament. Anyway congratz to sOs & soO 2 of my favourite players. Small online tournaments and big offline tournaments are two different worlds. Offline experience is not something that a rookie player can gain quickly and this leads to the result today. However, if sOs keep playing PvP like this, he will drop out Ro.16, soO's ZvP is not very solid today either. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:30 Alarak89 wrote: Small online tournaments and big offline tournaments are two different worlds. Offline experience is not something that a rookie player can gain quickly and this leads to the result today. However, if sOs keep playing PvP like this, he will drop out Ro.16, soO's ZvP is not very solid today either. Protoss players keep telling me that there won't be many of them left after the Ro32 so maybe sOs won't have to worry. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:03 Elentos wrote: How is that a flaw in the system? How is it even anything close to unfair? If Billowy was sOs' one kryptonite, it's up to sOs to work on that problem, it's not the system's job to protect him from the evil Soulkey Toss ( ). It's just unfortunate, but I'd never see that as some sort of major flaw. It's also kind of unavoidable with double elimination systems.I mean I guess round robin might be fairer. I am simply saying that double elim groups are incredibly "bracket luck" dependant. Starting matchups shape the whole group and if you are somewhat unlucky you don't advance simply because you have to play your worst matchup two times even though you are a god in the other two. Round robin is better in that way, yes. Even though it has obviously its own problems. I still prefer round robin. Also for people who look at mapscore as the main argument, sOs had a total of 4-3 and Billowy 4-4. The better player advanced today | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:38 Elentos wrote: Protoss players keep telling me that there won't be many of them left after the Ro32 so maybe sOs won't have to worry. I was about to say this...But yeah, maybe he should worry about his PvT rather than PvP. Hopefully there will be another Protoss survivor between Classic and Stats. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:45 Alarak89 wrote: I was about to say this...But yeah, maybe he should worry about his PvT rather than PvP. Hopefully there will be another Protoss survivor between Classic and Stats. I'm pretty scared for Stats atm. Stuck in a group with 2 Terrans (one of which is ByuN) with a ladder PvT win rate less than 50% and a huge mental block in the match-up. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:48 Elentos wrote: But when Billowy goes 3-2 vs sOs and sOs gets to advance because that's how the groups work, some people will ask themselves the question "So are we sure the better player advanced here?", and that question isn't unwarranted. The question is unwarranted for a different reason. Tournaments have never been about finding out who the better player is, tournaments are about who is winning the games. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:49 Elentos wrote: I'm pretty scared for Stats atm. Stuck in a group with 2 Terrans (one of which is ByuN) with a ladder PvT win rate less than 50% and a huge mental block in the match-up. I'm assuming he will lose to Byun, but the important question is, can he beat Ryung or not? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:50 Nebuchad wrote: The question is unwarranted for a different reason. Tournaments have never been about finding out who the better player is, tournaments are about who is winning the games. If tournaments are solely about who is winning, why is there a 2nd chance for the players who didn't (double elimination)? Why give the discussion about your tournament system any basis? If you only care who wins you should use round robin. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:01 Elentos wrote: If tournaments are solely about who is winning, why is there a 2nd chance for the players who didn't (double elimination)? Why give the discussion about your tournament system any basis? If you only care who wins you should use round robin. Cause this system allows you to play more games, which makes for better storylines and better broadcasts than just playing one game and being done with it. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:04 Nebuchad wrote: Cause this system allows you to play more games, which makes for better storylines and better broadcasts than just playing one game and being done with it. The round robin doesn't have to be best of 1. If you have 4 people and make everyone play 2 games against everyone else you have 12 games for a 4 player group, a regular GSL group is between 10 and 15 games. So you could make it clear who wins and loses and fill your broadcast time. And don't even get me started on the whole storyline thing. Point is, they could use something different if they wanted to but they don't. So every time something like today occurs they'll get the same questions from 6 years ago. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:08 Elentos wrote: The round robin doesn't have to be best of 1. If you have 4 people and make everyone play 2 games against everyone else you have 12 games for a 4 player group, a regular GSL group is between 10 and 15 games. So you could make it clear who wins and loses and fill your broadcast time. And don't even get me started on the whole storyline thing. Point is, they could use something different if they wanted to but they don't. So every time something like today occurs they'll get the same questions from 6 years ago. Sry for some reason when you said round robin I read single elimination. Round robin and double elim are equivalent for players if you look at it objectively, so whichever you prefer is your personal taste. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
I truly dislike Tastosis casting. They have only a mediocre insight into gameplay, are extremely nerdy and go off on geek tangents that make me have to mute the cast at stages- 3minutes of a cast devoted to a cockroach reference. Truly an over-rated casting team. Why are they the only one or do we get to see wolf and khaldor (pretty sure he's moved on)? Much prefered. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:32 MyTHicaL wrote: Some nice games. Outcome of Billowy vs soO was obvious, 1 game won due to build orders and the others showcased soO's simple superiority. soO was 1 properly placed forcefield away from losing 0-2 to Billowy | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:23 Nebuchad wrote: Sry for some reason when you said round robin I read single elimination. Round robin and double elim are equivalent for players if you look at it objectively, so whichever you prefer is your personal taste. Tbf gsl format is much more predictable in terms of production. What SSL tried to do was cool and all but could have been a very short day or a long one. Also, it's not like we're giving sOs a second chance. sOs won against Curious and Billowy lost against soO. You could say it may be unfair to Billowy cuz he played better than sOs overall, but this format also prevents less skilled players getting through the stage just bc they managed to build two smart cheeses in few weeks. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I don't see how round robin and double elim are equivalent tbh, the only problem with round robin is the situation when somebody cannot advance anymore and therefore might not play his best in the deciding match for another player. Which tbf is a big problem. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:37 swissman777 wrote: Tbf gsl format is much more predictable in terms of production. What SSL tried to do was cool and all but could have been a very short day or a long one. I think SSL kinda scheduled it so it wouldn't take less than 8 hours and I think the casters were all ready for the days to take 12 hours. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18402 Posts
On January 11 2017 23:49 Elentos wrote: I'm pretty scared for Stats atm. Stuck in a group with 2 Terrans (one of which is ByuN) with a ladder PvT win rate less than 50% and a huge mental block in the match-up. but its a televised game, so no worries for stats | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well by definition "winning games" means you are the better player. Ofc it is important who your opponents are and with that in mind bracket luck comes into play. I don't see how round robin and double elim are equivalent tbh, the only problem with round robin is the situation when somebody cannot advance anymore and therefore might not play his best in the deciding match for another player. Which tbf is a big problem. You can advance while losing the majority of your matches and you can be eliminated while winning the majority of your matches, depending on how your opponents in the group are doing. It's equivalent to double elim in that it's something that really really doesn't matter and yet is presented as a huge hindrance, much like losing to someone you beat before gets the same treatment in double elim. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:35 Elentos wrote: soO was 1 properly placed forcefield away from losing 0-2 to Billowy Not at all.. He had full saturation 5 bases. He would've eventually cleaned up or pushed billowy back; and then simply would've won at a later stage. I also don't know if it was just one forcefield.. The line of them was bad but there wasn't only one hole! | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:52 MyTHicaL wrote: Not at all.. He had full saturation 5 bases. He would've eventually cleaned up or pushed billowy back; and then simply would've won at a later stage. I also don't know if it was just one forcefield.. The line of them was bad but there wasn't only one hole! It was one. He misplaced the forcefield on the ramp which allowed banelings to destroy the core of his army from behind. If Billowy correctly places that forcefield, he takes out most of soO's army, which soO (with no bank to speak off) can't replenish fast enough to save himself from losing most of his infrastructure and some of the units he would be remaking. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:46 Nebuchad wrote: You can advance while losing the majority of your matches and you can be eliminated while winning the majority of your matches, depending on how your opponents in the group are doing. Is that even mathematically possible for most round robin groups? I think you could end up in a tie being forced to play a tie breaker but I'm not sure how the group would have to look so you're just flat out eliminated despite having won most of your matches. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 12 2017 00:46 Nebuchad wrote: You can advance while losing the majority of your matches and you can be eliminated while winning the majority of your matches, depending on how your opponents in the group are doing. It's equivalent to double elim in that it's something that really really doesn't matter and yet is presented as a huge hindrance, much like losing to someone you beat before gets the same treatment in double elim. What format are we talking about right now? Bo3 round robin? I mean you already implied it never matters because you won't find the best player or something. I am not quite sure on what lvl we are arguing here though. Would we find the best player if we had a big round robin including all players? Or do you imply that competition in itself isn't able to find "the best" ? On January 12 2017 01:01 Elentos wrote: Is that even mathematically possible for most round robin groups? I think you could end up in a tie being forced to play a tie breaker but I'm not sure how the group would have to look so you're just flat out eliminated despite having won most of your matches. I guess he means map wins? But even there you need like bo5 or something | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:00 NinjaToss wrote: any recommended games today? second series between sOs and Billowy was fun. sOs second game vs Curious wasn't anything special, but was kinda wonky considering the opening and how far Curious was. Maybe Billowy vs soO, can't remember much other than that one missed forcefield. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: What format are we talking about right now? Bo3 round robin? I mean you already implied it never matters because you won't find the best player or something. I am not quite sure on what lvl we are arguing here though. Would we find the best player if we had a big round robin including all players? Or do you imply that competition in itself isn't able to find "the best" ? "The best player" is basically people who are salty that their guy didn't win and are trying to diminish the accomplishment of people who beat him. It's an idea with no merit. We are having this conversation because I misread Elentos' post as saying that we might as well have single elim then, which I disagree with cause single elim is a much weaker format. Round robin and double elim have the same strengths and weaknesses. And no I didn't mean map wins, I meant 2-1 2-1 2-1 0-3, thought that was obvious | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:31 Nebuchad wrote: "The best player" is basically people who are salty that their guy didn't win and are trying to diminish the accomplishments of people who beat him. It's an idea with no merit. We are having this conversation because I misread Elentos' post as saying that we might as well have single elim then, which I disagree with cause single elim is a much weaker format. Round robin and double elim have the same strengths and weaknesses. And no I didn't mean map wins, I meant 2-1 2-1 2-1 0-3, thought that was obvious 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 0-3 forces tie breaker matches though, in that situation you won't simply get eliminated despite winning more than half your matches. I can see ties and potential tie breakers being problematic for organizers, but I thought you were saying it's possible to flatout be eliminated despite winning the majority of your matches. So I guess it was a misunderstanding. | ||
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Ej_
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:46 Ej_ wrote: who cares about what is fair and what is not, what matters is that our liquibets were saved I'm surprised after 2 groups (with decently obvious outcomes) we have people with 2 or less points. Is that just a case of "This will make me look really smart when it happens or really stupid when it doesn't?"-predictions to get a possible lead? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12172 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:43 Elentos wrote: 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 0-3 forces tie breaker matches though, in that situation you won't simply get eliminated despite winning more than half your matches. I can see ties and potential tie breakers being problematic for organizers, but I thought you were saying it's possible to flatout be eliminated despite winning the majority of your matches. So I guess it was a misunderstanding. You said it would lead to the same amount of matches as this format so I assumed Bo3 | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 12 2017 01:31 Nebuchad wrote: "The best player" is basically people who are salty that their guy didn't win and are trying to diminish the accomplishment of people who beat him. It's an idea with no merit. We are having this conversation because I misread Elentos' post as saying that we might as well have single elim then, which I disagree with cause single elim is a much weaker format. Round robin and double elim have the same strengths and weaknesses. And no I didn't mean map wins, I meant 2-1 2-1 2-1 0-3, thought that was obvious "The best player" is the player who would win most games if he played against every other player in the competition i guess. As Elentos already said, if we are simply talking matches your comment seems to be wrong | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On January 12 2017 02:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: "The best player" is the player who would win most games if he played against every other player in the competition i guess. As Elentos already said, if we are simply talking matches your comment seems to be wrong Over a long period or a short one? Cuz sOs won't be high on the list if it's over a short period of time | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
billowy literally lost two games because he didnt use photon cannons vs DT's he knows better he just tried to get an edge by not building them, saving the minerals thinking "ok, hes gonna stop making these" if he wins that game because he starts an extra nexus with those minerals or gets an extra prism, then he looks smart. he worked so hard to get to that point, and then he just risk it all like that, assuming sOs is done with DT's? i dont want that guy in ro16. well i mean, i do. but id rather have the guy who keeps making DT's because you are not making cannons | ||
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Hildegard
Germany306 Posts
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Topin
Peru10077 Posts
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