That was pretty terrible execution from Showtime in the second half of the game. He could have won the game outright but instead he attacks without a prism and storms 3 queens.
On January 03 2017 04:31 Boucot wrote: Wooow Newkirk Precinct ? And Daybreak and Whirlwind are in the map pool too ? Granted I haven't been following much SC2 lately but what the fuck.
On January 03 2017 04:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When did Tempest start being the better option over Carriers?
Haven't they always been if you're slowly transitioning? Ie, six carriers are great but getting there is hard while two Tempests are always good to have.
Isn't that -exactly- what Showtime wants? To trade his lings and carve out anything he can from Protoss to starve him to death. A few lings don't matter.
It has been the case for so long that skytoss is totally untouchable by zerg.. parasitic bomb really didnt do anything for zvp, its only really effective vs terran units..
i wish this shit situation didnt exist in the game and when someone plays as well as serral did to get to the late game he should have a better shot at winning =/
On January 03 2017 05:16 asongdotnet wrote: Serral had like 9K in the bank at one point to Showtime who was struggling to keep a 1K bank... I would consider that a pretty sizable lead
On January 03 2017 05:16 asongdotnet wrote: Serral had like 9K in the bank at one point to Showtime who was struggling to keep a 1K bank... I would consider that a pretty sizable lead
the map was split in half and they both were maxed out, Serral wasn't going to outmine Showtime at any point so all the bank was were resources not spent on the army
Would it have been against the rules of the tournament to play Has on Nice's account? While being careful not to say anything to suggest who it is either way.
Everything I've seen from Nice tells me that he plays very different from Has and is more mechanically sound. And yet Has is the most dominant player of the Taiwanese scene in the last few years. So that can't be true.
On January 03 2017 05:40 Elentos wrote: Everything I've seen from Nice tells me that he plays very different from Has and is more mechanically sound. And yet Has is the most dominant player of the Taiwanese scene in the last few years. So that can't be true.
On January 03 2017 06:27 Heartland wrote: is this true?
Which part of it?
Darts being on every day on Dutch TV
As long as the World Championship is on, I imagine it's true. It's on German TV every night even though we have nobody anywhere close to the level needed to win the tournament.
On January 03 2017 06:27 Heartland wrote: is this true?
Which part of it?
Darts being on every day on Dutch TV
As long as the World Championship is on, I imagine it's true. It's on German TV every night even though we have nobody anywhere close to the level needed to win the tournament.
here in Austria, nobody watches Darts. i know precisely one person that follows it and he's the only reason i'm aware it's a pro sport.
although to me it looks more like everybody there just shows up for the beer and singing, including the competitors. which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
I am well aware of that, but they were mocking the build specifically
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
I am well aware of that, but they were mocking the build specifically
International stream was mostly focused on the execution.
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
I am well aware of that, but they were mocking the build specifically
to be fair, a lot of sOs' builds look really stupid when it's not him playing them
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
I am well aware of that, but they were mocking the build specifically
to be fair, a lot of sOs' builds look really stupid when it's not him playing them
On January 03 2017 06:41 payopayo wrote: is it also part of the build to warp in units, attack with your air army alone, lose it, and then attack with your units ?
no matter who's build it is it was dumb as fuck
From what I saw on sOs stream the oracles are there mainly to kill the cyclone and protect the pylons. You do damage with the initial adepts afterwards and keep the advanced position in the terran base with overcharge. Nice seemed to think the oracles were there to kill the marines and harass the mineral lines. That's not what sOs was doing.
I think having a pylon in range of the terran wall is really important as well, so uThermal's bunker placement (in range of the bottom of the third base) was excellent.
On January 03 2017 06:37 Nebuchad wrote: This is a sOs build btw, I don't know if the international stream is looking just as stupid mocking him as the french stream does.
Well a build is just a build, how you execute it is the important part, the decision making, the mechanics, everything
I am well aware of that, but they were mocking the build specifically
to be fair, a lot of sOs' builds look really stupid when it's not him playing them
They look stupid in many of his games too.
Yeah, his games against Dark in the season 2 cross finals looked really awful for example.
In general it's frustrating when people talk about builds as if sc2 were a round based game. A lot of the time even a "bad build" in situation X can be executed well enough to be ok. Ofc there are limits, etc but sometimes people go the Idra route and call something purely based on assumptions. I think koreans tend to focus more on execution and if something doesn't work it means they didn't execute it well enough (obviously still exceptions and limits here)
On January 03 2017 06:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: In general it's frustrating when people talk about builds as if sc2 were a round based game. A lot of the time even a "bad build" in situation X can be executed well enough to be ok. Ofc there are limits, etc but sometimes people go the Idra route and call something purely based on assumptions. I think koreans tend to focus more on execution and if something doesn't work it means they didn't execute it well enough (obviously still exceptions and limits here)
Likewise even if a build works, it doesn't mean it's good. I remember Rain criticising some of sOs's builds saying they were un-optimised and that he probably had come up with them on the spot.
On January 03 2017 06:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: In general it's frustrating when people talk about builds as if sc2 were a round based game. A lot of the time even a "bad build" in situation X can be executed well enough to be ok. Ofc there are limits, etc but sometimes people go the Idra route and call something purely based on assumptions. I think koreans tend to focus more on execution and if something doesn't work it means they didn't execute it well enough (obviously still exceptions and limits here)
Likewise even if a build works, it doesn't mean it's good. I remember Rain criticising some of sOs's builds saying they were un-optimised and that he probably had come up with them on the spot.
Well if it is only used one time sure. If it is used a lot and has good stats then it's hard to argue that way. But yeah sOs seems to be the guy who simply yolos and it works for some reason, haha :D
On January 03 2017 06:54 Elentos wrote: I can't decide who the more faceless foreigner is here - the guy with no face cam or the guy with the generic answers
At least he is generic in a language we can understand
good news everyone, i lost all of my code when doing the training tasks for tomorrow's CS test so I decided to just give up, accept my incoming 0 points score and watch SC2 instead
On January 03 2017 07:21 Ej_ wrote: good news everyone, i lost all of my code when doing the training tasks for tomorrow's CS test so I decided to just give up, accept my incoming 0 points score and watch SC2 instead
On January 03 2017 07:21 Ej_ wrote: good news everyone, i lost all of my code when doing the training tasks for tomorrow's CS test so I decided to just give up, accept my incoming 0 points score and watch SC2 instead
How do you lose code in this day and age?
ctrl+x and then pressed ctrl+c on a blank space instead of ctrl+v
On January 03 2017 07:21 Ej_ wrote: good news everyone, i lost all of my code when doing the training tasks for tomorrow's CS test so I decided to just give up, accept my incoming 0 points score and watch SC2 instead
How do you lose code in this day and age?
ctrl+x and then pressed ctrl+c on a blank space instead of ctrl+v
On January 03 2017 07:21 Ej_ wrote: good news everyone, i lost all of my code when doing the training tasks for tomorrow's CS test so I decided to just give up, accept my incoming 0 points score and watch SC2 instead
How do you lose code in this day and age?
ctrl+x and then pressed ctrl+c on a blank space instead of ctrl+v
im an idiot but it happened
No version control?
ok turns out it saved my source before crashing, yay
Wow. Can Showtime do this? That was uThermal punching Showtime for 15 minutes before taking one bad hit. The lack of medivacs due to the necessity to constantly produce liberators turned out to be crucial.
On January 03 2017 08:03 ArtyK wrote: uThermal killing it today! Games weren't perfect but still, time to challenge Marinelords score from last year :D
PvT looks pretty hard since players went back to making colossi though.
On January 03 2017 08:03 ArtyK wrote: uThermal killing it today! Games weren't perfect but still, time to challenge Marinelords score from last year :D
PvT looks pretty hard since players went back to making colossi though.
It's partly because of the map pool.
Well i mean if liberators and reapers are a problem nerf them so we can have more diverse maps -_-
On January 04 2017 03:16 Kitai wrote: This Nationwars is silly so far. There hasn't been a single match yet that wasn't won by a single player. Were the other Nationwars like that?
there were 1 man teams that relied on the revive, yes
Has is someone with multiple WCS tournament top 8s and top 16s
Zhugeliang is someone who has participated in some Dreamhacks
There's no question Has is the favorite
Has is an anomaly, let's just say that :D
In all seriousness, i think the point he was trying to make there is that Has vs Zhuge isn't actually that one sided towards Has (or atleast that's how i felt)
On January 04 2017 03:33 Elentos wrote: I think Serral is a much safer choice against Has than Welmu. Has' PvP is actually not the worst thing on planet Earth.
On January 04 2017 03:33 Elentos wrote: I think Serral is a much safer choice against Has than Welmu. Has' PvP is actually not the worst thing on planet Earth.
It isn't nearly as cheesy as his other match-ups strangely enough, but it isn't too bad.
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
What are the rules if he can't? Does Taiwan get a forfeit win if he can't play and Fuzer is unavailable? I mean technically they wouldn't have 3 players in that case.
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
What are the rules if he can't? Does Taiwan get a forfeit win if he can't play and Fuzer is unavailable? I mean technically they wouldn't have 3 players in that case.
I guess since Serral has already played (sort of) they can revive someone else and it's kind of like having 3 players?
Has is the safety cheese Protoss. Go for cheese every game, but always scout for possible cheese from your opponent and never skip the mothership core.
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
Glad to see this mentioned in the thread. From my experience talking to pros almost nobody has even remotely had the idea or knowledge that it's possible to use your smartphone as backup Internet for SC2. Despite using mobile internet on their phone every time they go outside, it's often a missed connection.
SC2 games don't require much bandwidth at all, and is by consequence not too expensive on the bill (unless you need to patch or are playing from a cruise ship or foreign country), and mobile internet's ping is often very similar to primary. Some places don't have quality reception but every single pro should at the very least have educated themselves, and tried to connect their mobile internet to the PC before things go wrong. Saved my ass so many times.
That being said, one can be extremely unlucky sometimes and props to Serral for trying to relocate in the middle of the match. Hopefully it won't affect too many players and online tournaments going forward
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
Glad to see this mentioned in the thread. From my experience talking to pros almost nobody has even remotely had the idea or knowledge that it's possible to use your smartphone as backup Internet for SC2. Despite using mobile internet on their phone every time they go outside, it's often a missed connection.
SC2 games don't require much bandwidth at all, and is by consequence not too expensive on the bill (unless you need to patch or are playing from a cruise ship or foreign country), and mobile internet's ping is often very similar to primary. Some places don't have quality reception but every single pro should at the very least have educated themselves, and tried to connect their mobile internet to the PC before things go wrong. Saved my ass so many times.
That being said, one can be extremely unlucky sometimes and props to Serral for trying to relocate in the middle of the match. Hopefully it won't affect too many players and online tournaments going forward
Not sure if every progamer has a phone and a data connection that supports and includes 4G/LTE internet connection though. Is 3G enough?
Also, I myself am unfortunate enough to live in a rural area where mobile data is very iffy at times and sometimes just doesn't work. But in general it's a good solution ^_^
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
Glad to see this mentioned in the thread. From my experience talking to pros almost nobody has even remotely had the idea or knowledge that it's possible to use your smartphone as backup Internet for SC2. Despite using mobile internet on their phone every time they go outside, it's often a missed connection.
SC2 games don't require much bandwidth at all, and is by consequence not too expensive on the bill (unless you need to patch or are playing from a cruise ship or foreign country), and mobile internet's ping is often very similar to primary. Some places don't have quality reception but every single pro should at the very least have educated themselves, and tried to connect their mobile internet to the PC before things go wrong. Saved my ass so many times.
That being said, one can be extremely unlucky sometimes and props to Serral for trying to relocate in the middle of the match. Hopefully it won't affect too many players and online tournaments going forward
Fun fact: You can also do the opposite, connecting your phone to your computer to play Starcraft from your phone. I saw someone try that once, but he gave up after it took him 30 seconds to start his first worker.
Has is the right choice for last player I think. Nice has better chances of beating Heromarine, but Has' chances of all-killing are better (though still close to zero).
On January 04 2017 06:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Has is the right choice for last player I think. Nice has better chances of beating Heromarine, but Has' chances of all-killing are better (though still close to zero).
Hard to say honestly. I haven't really seen Nice vs Z recently so I have no clue how well he'd do vs TLO. And I think against Showtime both their chances are really bad. So I don't think it'd be too big of a difference.
On January 04 2017 03:55 Azhrak wrote: Hope Serral can still play. He could use his mobile internet if the main won't work.
Glad to see this mentioned in the thread. From my experience talking to pros almost nobody has even remotely had the idea or knowledge that it's possible to use your smartphone as backup Internet for SC2. Despite using mobile internet on their phone every time they go outside, it's often a missed connection.
SC2 games don't require much bandwidth at all, and is by consequence not too expensive on the bill (unless you need to patch or are playing from a cruise ship or foreign country), and mobile internet's ping is often very similar to primary. Some places don't have quality reception but every single pro should at the very least have educated themselves, and tried to connect their mobile internet to the PC before things go wrong. Saved my ass so many times.
That being said, one can be extremely unlucky sometimes and props to Serral for trying to relocate in the middle of the match. Hopefully it won't affect too many players and online tournaments going forward
Not sure if every progamer has a phone and a data connection that supports and includes 4G/LTE internet connection though. Is 3G enough?
Also, I myself am unfortunate enough to live in a rural area where mobile data is very iffy at times and sometimes just doesn't work. But in general it's a good solution ^_^
It's off topic, but even less than 3G is enough. We're talking kilobits of data here, not megabits. Biggest possible issue is ping, but any decent device & provider should have a very good ping.
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