Stream A Norway vs New Zealand South Korea vs Croatia Ukraine vs Russia Brazil vs Denmark France vs Vietnam USA vs UK Stream B Netherlands vs Czech Republic Taiwan vs Japan China vs Italy Poland vs Bulgaria Germany vs Switzerland Canada vs Portugal No Stream Sweden vs Spain Australia vs Romania Finland vs Chile Mexico vs Peru
Ukraine vs Russia for one qualifying spot is literally the worst possible thing for our community which immediately spoils such a wonderful tournament, but well... Nothing we can do here except of making this match as friendly as possible. Hope we'll see good games there!
last year it was double elim for the countries to qualify, this year the weaker nations will have less chance to perform, sad TT (well I'm just a bit salty that my country Vietnam has to meet the defending champion right from the start)
On December 20 2016 22:46 NinjaToss wrote: last year it was double elim for the countries to qualify, this year the weaker nations will have less chance to perform, sad TT (well I'm just a bit salty that my country Vietnam has to meet the defending champion right from the start)
Last year it was single elim 4 man brackets * 4 + 12 countries invited. I don't think this is harder for weaker countries.
On December 20 2016 22:46 NinjaToss wrote: last year it was double elim for the countries to qualify, this year the weaker nations will have less chance to perform, sad TT (well I'm just a bit salty that my country Vietnam has to meet the defending champion right from the start)
Last year it was single elim 4 man brackets * 4 + 12 countries invited. I don't think this is harder for weaker countries.
Unless you were facing Canada or Ukraine (or US or Brazil), then it totally was. You only need to win 1 match, but you have a much greater chance of facing a top team from last year. Here, because this has most of if not all of the teams from last year, it means that your chance of running into a good team from the start is greater than 50%
Here, I estimate that around 20 or so teams are good or above, whereas for the qualifier last year, about half were good or above. Brackets 3 and 4 were noticeably weaker than Brackets 1 or 2.
Still a bit salty that we have no solar/soO for korea. Imo it would be really cool to see forced zerg/terran/toss even though i can understand that some countries would have a hard time in that case
R.I.P Croatia, whoever you are France v. Vietnam, back to the 50s UK v. USA, well this is getting funny Ukraine v. Russia, guys try not to be too hard on each other TW v. Japan, speaking of historical grievances Spain v. Sweden, Catholic League v. Protestant League Germany vs Switzerland, but we can sell gold to them my Führer BTW Zest is not quite in form these days, Stats should be the Korean Protoss... wait where is the Korean Zerg?
How was the seeding done? Seems like it's pretty much stronger country vs weaker country. Norway vs New Zealand and Denmark vs Brazil would be my pick for closest matches.
Poor Bulgaria the only team with 0 liquipedia players and they have to face imba Poland
On December 21 2016 09:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Go Croatia :D
How was the seeding done? Seems like it's pretty much stronger country vs weaker country. Norway vs New Zealand and Denmark vs Brazil would be my pick for closest matches.
Poor Bulgaria the only team with 0 liquipedia players and they have to face imba Poland
On December 21 2016 20:30 Elentos wrote: What the Czechs forfeited? Where's the courage? The passion? The anti-Schlappi and anti-YearofHarstem snipe builds?
Well they did not forfeited, they were told "you gonna play or gt*o" from both admins and one redactor frome ogaming. You know the issue is Nolimit and nExt are both students and they both have exam today. Exams is not something you can skip... not when you are told a day ahead when you play.
They both came with an offer that they can arrive around 15:00 CET from schools and they can actually play. But because uThermal needs to go god knows where at 14:00 and he is a celebrity, they got cucked pretty hard.
I have the entire skype conversation with me, but players told me to not start any drama. But here is the fact why we "forfeited" because 2 from 3 players actually care about their real lives
On December 21 2016 21:34 PharaphobiaSC wrote: but players told me to not start any drama
So don't.
Im not im just saying they did not forfeited their match.. they were simply force to because of sellout reasons
You're clearly trying.
If I was even trying i would include screens and call them all the names i have on my tongue for them... I was even thinking about more bad things, but since Im good with all 3 players I wont i just answered your baiting post.
On December 21 2016 21:34 PharaphobiaSC wrote: but players told me to not start any drama
So don't.
Im not im just saying they did not forfeited their match.. they were simply force to because of sellout reasons
You're clearly trying.
If I was even trying i would include screens and call them all the names i have on my tongue for them... I was even thinking about more bad things, but since Im good with all 3 players I wont i just answered your baiting post.
It wasn't bait, Rotti said on the main stream that they forfeited because they didn't think they could beat the Netherlands. And I was questioning why they would.
On December 21 2016 21:34 PharaphobiaSC wrote: but players told me to not start any drama
So don't.
Im not im just saying they did not forfeited their match.. they were simply force to because of sellout reasons
You're clearly trying.
If I was even trying i would include screens and call them all the names i have on my tongue for them... I was even thinking about more bad things, but since Im good with all 3 players I wont i just answered your baiting post.
It wasn't bait, Rotti said on the main stream that they forfeited because they didn't think they could beat the Netherlands. And I was questioning why they would.
I'm glad we got to know the real reason for the forfeit and I think Phara is just upset and was not trying to start any drama tbh.
Exams are important and a way better reason to forfeit than the one we were given.
On December 21 2016 21:46 Elentos wrote: Has puts Taiwan on the scoreboard, can Japan stop him?
On December 21 2016 21:41 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:38 Elentos wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:38 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:34 PharaphobiaSC wrote: but players told me to not start any drama
So don't.
Im not im just saying they did not forfeited their match.. they were simply force to because of sellout reasons
You're clearly trying.
If I was even trying i would include screens and call them all the names i have on my tongue for them... I was even thinking about more bad things, but since Im good with all 3 players I wont i just answered your baiting post.
It wasn't bait, Rotti said on the main stream that they forfeited because they didn't think they could beat the Netherlands. And I was questioning why they would.
I'm glad we got to know the real reason for the forfeit and I think Phara is just upset and was not trying to start any drama tbh.
Exams are important and a way better reason to forfeit than the one we were given.
I was also surprised about the time of this tournament. I mean, who makes the tournament at 12;00 in the middle of the week
On December 21 2016 21:46 Elentos wrote: Has puts Taiwan on the scoreboard, can Japan stop him?
On December 21 2016 21:41 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:38 Elentos wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:38 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 21 2016 21:34 PharaphobiaSC wrote: but players told me to not start any drama
So don't.
Im not im just saying they did not forfeited their match.. they were simply force to because of sellout reasons
You're clearly trying.
If I was even trying i would include screens and call them all the names i have on my tongue for them... I was even thinking about more bad things, but since Im good with all 3 players I wont i just answered your baiting post.
It wasn't bait, Rotti said on the main stream that they forfeited because they didn't think they could beat the Netherlands. And I was questioning why they would.
I'm glad we got to know the real reason for the forfeit and I think Phara is just upset and was not trying to start any drama tbh.
Exams are important and a way better reason to forfeit than the one we were given.
I was also surprised about the time of this tournament. I mean, who makes the tournament at 12;00 in the middle of the week
Very suprising since this tournament features a ton of amateurs and part-time players. But obviously it's very hard to schedule with teams from all over the world. Christams being on the weekend also makes it harder.
I guess for the qualifiers, casting replays and letting the teams schedule the matches themselves for this week would've been best.
On December 21 2016 21:54 Musicus wrote: Damn, I really thought Petripopus had this, was a super close game, NZ ain't bad at all!
I also thought Petertripodus had that. Then for a moment I got confused over the colors because watching 4 streams at once is hard. And then Snute was winning.
On December 21 2016 21:54 Musicus wrote: Damn, I really thought Petripopus had this, was a super close game, NZ ain't bad at all!
I also thought Petertripodus had that. Then for a moment I got confused over the colors because watching 4 streams at once is hard. And then Snute was winning.
I'm sad they are out and we won't be able to use all the other ways to spell Petractus as, for the rest of Nationwars .
On December 21 2016 21:54 Musicus wrote: Damn, I really thought Petripopus had this, was a super close game, NZ ain't bad at all!
I also thought Petertripodus had that. Then for a moment I got confused over the colors because watching 4 streams at once is hard. And then Snute was winning.
I'm sad they are out and we won't be able to use all the other ways to spell Petractus as, for the rest of Nationwars .
I know, coming up with new names for Pirateus is the best thing about NationWars.
On December 21 2016 22:44 Musicus wrote: damn, was watching Scarlett since I did not expect anything from Croatia, what did Ptak do??
2b roaches with a quick speed that were there to defend the cyclone/hellion opening while going for a hidden spire. Smart gameplan, average play by Byun = a well deserved win.
Zest is supposed to be the weak link, especially during the online part, why not.
Zest is just gonna do the 2 archon drop perfectly and that's that.
Here is the DT shrine.
I saw Solar play vs Zest on ladder the other day. Solar got lings in on Whirlwind and killed lots of probes and unpowered all of Zest's buildings. Zest couldn't take a 3rd base until 10 minutes. But Zest still almost brought it back with great micro (not just on the archons).
On December 21 2016 23:27 TaKeTV wrote: Croatia's Oogway had to leave for college. No 3rd player and no revive allowed until 3rd has played meaning disqualification. Korea wins by W/O
On December 21 2016 23:27 TaKeTV wrote: Croatia's Oogway had to leave for college. No 3rd player and no revive allowed until 3rd has played meaning disqualification. Korea wins by W/O
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
I wonder if they knew Oogway would have to leave but they let Croatia play anyway expecting a 20 minute 4-0
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
That's annoying but you are on point. Making exceptions is the worst thing you can do.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
I wonder if they knew Oogway would have to leave but they let Croatia play anyway expecting a 20 minute 4-0
I think Ptak knew Oogway couldn't play, but didn't mention it expecting to 4-0 Korea himself.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
http://nationwars.tv/img/HandbookNationWars4.pdf Don't see anything specific about the situation mentioned there. The closest one is about a player disconnecting and then not being able to reconnect, which just makes him lose the map not DQ the team.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
How to abuse it? Alright.
A country only has two good players. They sign up a third unknown who they never intend to play, just taking a loss in order to have enough players to compete in the tournament.
Regardless, this was an established rule. The time for bitching about whether it's a good rule or not is before the tournament starts, not only once it becomes relevant.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
How to abuse it? Alright.
A country only has two good players. They sign up a third unknown who they never intend to play, just taking a loss in order to have enough players to compete in the tournament.
Regardless, this was an established rule. The time for bitching about whether it's a good rule or not is before the tournament starts, not only once it becomes relevant.
how is that abuse lol, you could always submit a team with 2 progamers and a diamond and the result would be the same...
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
How to abuse it? Alright.
A country only has two good players. They sign up a third unknown who they never intend to play, just taking a loss in order to have enough players to compete in the tournament.
Regardless, this was an established rule. The time for bitching about whether it's a good rule or not is before the tournament starts, not only once it becomes relevant.
"established rule" , maybe I am blind but I don't see it in the rulebook.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
How to abuse it? Alright.
A country only has two good players. They sign up a third unknown who they never intend to play, just taking a loss in order to have enough players to compete in the tournament.
Regardless, this was an established rule. The time for bitching about whether it's a good rule or not is before the tournament starts, not only once it becomes relevant.
How is that abuse. The entire rule is retarded. I really wonder what a fucking moron you have to be to make up such a braindead rule.
"You know what would be great? If a player from a small nation has personal problems and can't play, how about he not only loses the game. How about we also DISQUALIFY the entire rest of the team for it. Wouldn't that be AMAZING to DQ players who did absolutely nothing wrong?"
How dumb do you have to think this is a good idea... like 2010 Kespa on steroids. No benefit. Fuck whoever created this rule, seriously. Completely killed my interest in this entire thing.
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
Sure. Please tell me how you abuse "forfeiting a game". There is nothing. The rule is utter bullshit. If a player can't compete why not just give the team a loss.
How to abuse it? Alright.
A country only has two good players. They sign up a third unknown who they never intend to play, just taking a loss in order to have enough players to compete in the tournament.
Regardless, this was an established rule. The time for bitching about whether it's a good rule or not is before the tournament starts, not only once it becomes relevant.
How is that abuse. The entire rule is retarded. I really wonder what a fucking moron you have to be to make up such a braindead rule.
"You know what would be great? If a player from a small nation has personal problems and can't play, how about he not only loses the game. How about we also DISQUALIFY the entire rest of the team for it. Wouldn't that be AMAZING to DQ players who did absolutely nothing wrong?"
How dumb do you have to think this is a good idea... like 2010 Kespa on steroids. No benefit. Fuck whoever created this rule, seriously. Completely killed my interest in this entire thing.
There four people in every team for a reason. It is a professional tournament, if a player can't attend his team still has a back up.
In this case I guess croatia took the risk to sign only 3 players, that's unfortunate.
Ukraine is super strong. Dimaga is playing a ton again and I saw him play and beat most top EU players on stream. Kas looked pretty good just now and Bly is super scary in bo1s and online in general.
On December 22 2016 00:41 Musicus wrote: Ukraine is super strong. Dimaga is playing a ton again and I saw him play and beat most top EU players on stream. Kas looked pretty good just now and Bly is super scary in bo1s and online in general.
They would have been able to beat Croatia the legit way.
IA and Cyan did not sign up. probably want to prepare for other tournaments So we get a talented but inexperience young terrans and two IG veterans that are no longer in their best shapes...
On December 22 2016 01:00 Yiome wrote: IA and Cyan did not sign up. probably want to prepare for other tournaments So we get a talented but inexperience young terrans and two IG veterans that are no longer in their best shapes...
Time, IA and Cyan would have been a great line up :/
On December 22 2016 01:00 Yiome wrote: IA and Cyan did not sign up. probably want to prepare for other tournaments So we get a talented but inexperience young terrans and two IG veterans that are no longer in their best shapes...
Time, IA and Cyan would have been a great line up :/
On December 21 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote: I think a 2nd revive would have been a much cooler option. Halfway through the match we disqualify a team? Really?
At least give them the 1st normal revive :/
Rules are rules. At some point you have to follow them otherwise everyone could abuse them. Regardless of how cold hearted it may like in special occasions.
I understand that in the rules, you cannot revive until all three players played. So that you don't revive the first player for the second game which could be practical in some scenarios. BUT !!
Here it's not that case, the third player forfaited, so he wouldn't have played the game. Why not just count the third player as a lose so the score is 2-3 for Korea, and let Croatia revive ?
latency is an issue but still some more aggressive play style might work out better. Congrats to Italy. Nice to see young players like Reynor and Time perform
Did they update the production tab images for the old skin (mutated overlord and such) with this patch or were they like that before 3.8 broke them as well? I don't remember them looking like that.
The famous Ptak, man you either love or hate, but one thing is certain: a living legend. Began in BW, where he was one of the best foreigners, going to WCG 2010 grand finals in South Korea, advancing from his group in to the bracket stages. His only two losses in the tournamet were to Flash and Kal. The eventual finalists of the event. In sc2, he quickly found his feet again going to WCG 2011 grand finals, but failing to advance from his group (Huk, Snute, Morrow, Ptak - he only beat Morrow). His ID is actually a typo - he wanted to type "patak", which is "a duck" in Croatian. If he had done that, he would have gone the ways of Duckdeok, I beileve >.>
On December 22 2016 01:51 Sakat wrote: The famous Ptak, man you either love or hate, but one thing is certain: a living legend. Began in BW, where he was one of the best foreigners, going to WCG 2010 grand finals in South Korea, advancing from his group in to the bracket stages. His only two losses in the tournamet were to Flash and Kal. The eventual finalists of the event. In sc2, he quickly found his feet again going to WCG 2011 grand finals, but failing to advance from his group (Huk, Snute, Morrow, Ptak - he only beat Morrow). His ID is actually a typo - he wanted to type "patak", which is "a duck" in Croatian. If he had done that, he would have gone the ways of Duckdeok, I beileve >.>
On December 22 2016 02:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Too bad Croatia didn't have a third player. If they did Ptak could have been revived to take out the rest of South Korea.
They should have been given a map loss for the absence of their 3rd player and then gone straight to the revive :S
On December 22 2016 02:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Too bad Croatia didn't have a third player. If they did Ptak could have been revived to take out the rest of South Korea.
They should have been given a map loss for the absence of their 3rd player and then gone straight to the revive :S
On December 22 2016 02:48 Cinek357 wrote: From what I saw Kelazhur scanned that Bunny's army is moving and he stimmed in to snipe tanks. One misstep from Bunny cost him the game.
On December 22 2016 02:48 Cinek357 wrote: From what I saw Kelazhur scanned that Bunny's army is moving and he stimmed in to snipe tanks. One misstep from Bunny cost him the game.
he was 30 supply down by that time
Ah, sorry, didn't notice that. Still I feel bad for Bunny for losing a game this way wp to Kelazhur though.
On December 22 2016 03:13 Ej_ wrote: Killer -> Halfbreed has to be the worst name change in history of the human kind
HopeTorture -> Rainbow is clearly the worst
Rainbow is a good nickname
HopeTorture is the best nickname in human history though.
Also, I know I'm late to the party, but WTF happened with the Ptak matches? Did anyone see them?
He made some roaches for defense. And then he made some mutas. And a few minutes later ByuN was dead. And then he made some roaches and he attacked. And then he made a lot of mutas. And a few minutes later Zest was dead.
On December 22 2016 01:46 Poopi wrote: ByuN lost to Ptak? Is the matchup even worse than I thought?
He tried to go mech and then he figured out he isn't Innovation.
Seems a bit odd, maybe ByuN was overconfident against him and didn't do his normal TvZ approach? Or he thought it's better to go mech seeing how he (probably) had a higher ping.
But if ByuN decides mech is the way to go it looks like new meta time Always prefered mech TvZ against Bio even though most don't tbh
On December 22 2016 04:10 NinjaToss wrote: my country is playing why is the our national SC2 team bringing me more sense of pride and patriotism than our nation football team...
On December 22 2016 04:10 NinjaToss wrote: my country is playing why is the our national SC2 team bringing me more sense of pride and patriotism than our nation football team...
On December 22 2016 04:09 Fango wrote: But if ByuN decides mech is the way to go it looks like new meta time
All the good Terrans mech quite a lot on ladder against Zerg atm, first and foremost INnoVation but also GuMiho who was the first player I saw use the double factory reactored hellion/cyclone mech build.
On December 22 2016 04:09 Fango wrote: But if ByuN decides mech is the way to go it looks like new meta time
All the good Terrans mech quite a lot on ladder against Zerg atm, first and foremost INnoVation but also GuMiho who was the first player I saw use the double factory reactored hellion/cyclone mech build.
True, but ByuN has always been the marine heavy guy it would mean a lot if he thinks mech is even better
On December 22 2016 04:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Can somebody explain to me why Chile team did get reschedule and Czech team didn't they basically asked for a same thing. So we got a bias here?
Chile game was not supposed to be stream so they could play when they wanted.
On December 22 2016 04:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Can somebody explain to me why Chile team did get reschedule and Czech team didn't they basically asked for a same thing. So we got a bias here?
From what we were told, it doesn't seem like their game was rescheduled, but more that the main stream was ahead of schedule and had time for an extra match which happened to be the Chile match.
On December 22 2016 04:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Can somebody explain to me why Chile team did get reschedule and Czech team didn't they basically asked for a same thing. So we got a bias here?
Chile game was not supposed to be stream so they could play when they wanted.
Than you could shuffle around matches a bit so Czech team would not get broadcasted aswell? Because this to me sounds kinda BS...
On December 22 2016 04:37 Makro wrote: do i need to raise pitchfork ?
Probably not I'm just saying what happened based on evidence Ive got and that you made those guys looked like an idiots on stream aswell.. they are literally student and working people playing in their free time and all the got was big middle finger in their face...
This NationWars are kinda reminescent of the Olympics for me, it's a chance to see up and coming players who might not be world class level, but can still provide upset through unsual strategies, producing really entertaining games in my opinion. I mean, as a french guy, I was still rooting for Meomaika when he killed that warp prism, I would have loved to see ptitdrogo's face when those hydras came out of fucking nowhere. That was an interesting strategy, I like players trying to figure things on their own and not only copy the standard metagame of every match up. And cut those guys some slack, this is probably the first time those players are being watched by 6k people, you would get nervous too and make unsual mistakes aswell.
On December 22 2016 05:03 Poopi wrote: Is there a loser bracket for this round? If no I feel bad for Denmark and the loser of Italy :/.
They only had one shot and they missed their chance to blow.
Crap. I guess tho that it was a one man army against another one man army so none is more deserving than the other, so gratz Kelazhur I guess. I don't see France winning at all this time but maybe we'll beat a team or two depending on the bracket.
Anything that's not the zealots on top of his tanks
Yes preferably the immortals but the archons are also fine. Also his entire defense was focused on the left while the right was totally exposed. And he got out BCs, he just didn't use them to defend.
Lets go Devil Terran!! Good game from Teebul in that PvP just needed a bit more game sense / micro to take that one. But hey, he showed great potential hope he pushes on from this.
On December 22 2016 05:45 Pandemona wrote: Lets go Devil Terran!! Good game from Teebul in that PvP just needed a bit more game sense / micro to take that one. But hey, he showed great potential hope he pushes on from this.
On December 22 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote: Demuslim once again being one of the best European Terrans is so grand.
Once again? You mean there was a time where he wasn't?
I mean I guess the overall population of European Terrans isn't that impressive but for a long time Demu wasn't someone who really got considered as someone who needs to be taken seriously by top pros.
On December 22 2016 05:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is it now that the Americans start regretting picking Nathanias instead of JonSnow/Bails/PandaBearMe?
We already knew this was going to happen. Granted, the UK doesn't have any good players aside from Demuslim, but I already expected nothing from this team aside from Neeb.
On December 22 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote: Demuslim once again being one of the best European Terrans is so grand.
Being the best foreign terran isn't so hard when theres only like 5.
When you're a really good foreign Terran, you get a lot of attention though. Like Bunny, MarineLorD or uThermal. I mean in 2015 Demuslim may as well have been considered a full time caster/streamer.
Puck is a pretty decent player and Overgrowth isn't a bad map.
Every Korean I've seen play TvP on Overgrowth goes for a 2-base tank push into the 3rd while taking their own 3rd, gets forcefielded and does no damage and dies 5 minutes later against the maxed out colossus army.
On December 22 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote: Demuslim once again being one of the best European Terrans is so grand.
Being the best foreign terran isn't so hard when theres only like 5.
When you're a really good foreign Terran, you get a lot of attention though. Like Bunny, MarineLorD or uThermal. I mean in 2015 Demuslim may as well have been considered a full time caster/streamer.
But in 2012, he was giving nerd chills beating NesTea with Mech on Shakuras Pleatau!!!
On December 22 2016 05:57 Nakajin wrote: Neeb is really disappointing since Kespa cup
Well, he won a premier tournament in Korea, winning the finals in a 4-0 sweep. Very difficult not to disappoint after a peak like that.
Well of course I didn't expect him to win Blizcon, but still he got trash at HSC, didn't do to well at Blizcon, didn't qualify to IEM korea, and his online performance as been on and of.
On December 22 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote: Demuslim once again being one of the best European Terrans is so grand.
Being the best foreign terran isn't so hard when theres only like 5.
When you're a really good foreign Terran, you get a lot of attention though. Like Bunny, MarineLorD or uThermal. I mean in 2015 Demuslim may as well have been considered a full time caster/streamer.
But in 2012, he was giving nerd chills beating NesTea with Mech on Shakuras Pleatau!!!
2012 was forever ago (hence the again). I'm seeing parallels between Demuslim and Chelsea. Chelsea won CL in 2012 and now they're actually good again.
On December 22 2016 05:53 Elentos wrote: Demuslim once again being one of the best European Terrans is so grand.
Being the best foreign terran isn't so hard when theres only like 5.
When you're a really good foreign Terran, you get a lot of attention though. Like Bunny, MarineLorD or uThermal. I mean in 2015 Demuslim may as well have been considered a full time caster/streamer.
But in 2012, he was giving nerd chills beating NesTea with Mech on Shakuras Pleatau!!!
2012 was forever ago (hence the again). I'm seeing parallels between Demuslim and Chelsea. Chelsea won CL in 2012 and now they're actually good again.
On December 22 2016 05:57 Nakajin wrote: Neeb is really disappointing since Kespa cup
Well I think he was only really impressive in PvP?
He was really good in all match-up in wcs beating Nerchio, Hydra, Polt ect...
um, no
He is over 65% in pvz and 70% pvt in LOTV before Blizzcon
well for starters he never beat Nerchio offline, didn't play any PvT at Kespa Cup and almost lost a PvZ to Pet
Ok he lost the one time he played Nerchio offline 3-2, but he still beat him online a couple of time and he was beating other top zerg a lot of the time. His pvt was also looking like one of the best in the world he even 4-0 Byun one time I think
On December 22 2016 06:15 Nakajin wrote: His pvt was also looking like one of the best in the world he even 4-0 Byun one time I think
It looked like by far his worst match-up in macro games. Extremely shaky and with multiple tournament exits at the hands of WCS Terrans.
I mean he lost like what once to Marinelord, once to Polt and once to Masa in KTN final. He was still looking like the best pvt player in wcs
Out of the like 5 relevant Protoss players in WCS he was probably the best one against Terran sure. Although I don't think it was much of a difference between him and Showtime.
Damn DeMuslim didn't scout that well enough or its an easy hold. Maybe even a hold if he wasn't caught outside his natural. Interesting. LETS GO RISKY!!
It's good to get rid of Habitation now. I wouldn't want a TvP ace match on that map and it's decent for Zerg so Risky might even be able to do something.
On December 22 2016 06:32 Elentos wrote: It's good to get rid of Habitation now. I wouldn't want a TvP ace match on that map and it's decent for Zerg so Risky might even be able to do something.
Habitation can be okay for terran imo. But Vaani is better.
On December 22 2016 06:32 Elentos wrote: It's good to get rid of Habitation now. I wouldn't want a TvP ace match on that map and it's decent for Zerg so Risky might even be able to do something.
Habitation can be okay for terran imo. But Vaani is better.
It's the most obnoxious TvP map on ladder because every game is pylon rush into stargate and even when you know it's coming it's not easy to hold. And obviously Vaani is way better for Terran (if not somewhat imbalanced).
Okay even when you're up that much supply I don't think you should be able to teleport all your units into 5 tanks, 2 liberators, a bunker and a decent amount of stimmed bio and win the fight with no trouble whatsoever.
Like, it would have been nice if that fight had been any close considering how bad of an engagement that technically was.
On December 22 2016 06:55 Elentos wrote: Okay even when you're up that much supply I don't think you should be able to teleport all your units into 5 tanks, 2 liberators, a bunker and a decent amount of stimmed bio and win the fight with no trouble whatsoever.
Like, it would have been nice if that fight had been any close considering how bad of an engagement that technically was.
Against tanks and liberators teleporting on top of them is probably the best engagement you can get.
I have a question guys. Will all the english casted matches be uploaded onto youtube or do I HAVE TO subscribe to Ogaming's Twitch channel just to watch the VoD's? :V I really want to see all the matches, but they have all their VoD's blocked behind the subscription wall, both on oGaming and oGamingInter.
On December 22 2016 07:00 Zonalar wrote: I have a question guys. Will all the english casted matches be uploaded onto youtube or do I HAVE TO subscribe to Ogaming's Twitch channel just to watch the VoD's? :V I really want to see all the matches, but they have all their VoD's blocked behind the subscription wall, both on oGaming and oGamingInter.
On December 22 2016 06:55 Elentos wrote: Okay even when you're up that much supply I don't think you should be able to teleport all your units into 5 tanks, 2 liberators, a bunker and a decent amount of stimmed bio and win the fight with no trouble whatsoever.
Like, it would have been nice if that fight had been any close considering how bad of an engagement that technically was.
Against tanks and liberators teleporting on top of them is probably the best engagement you can get.
I mean he didn't even split the adepts a bit to reduce tank splash and he parked right in the liberator zones. It looked goddamn horrendous. It defies all logic that this play was good.
On December 22 2016 07:16 bulya wrote: How do South Koreans and Australians are supposed to play it online at 6 CET? Its beyond their bed times, and it can last several hours...
On December 22 2016 07:16 bulya wrote: How do South Koreans and Australians are supposed to play it online at 6 CET? Its beyond their bed times, and it can last several hours...
If you don't stream it during a french-friendly time, you will miss the opportunity to make money and organise a tournament at all.
it is unfortunate that they will have to adapt their sleep schedule but it's not on purpose
On December 22 2016 07:07 Solar424 wrote: Canada with Korea, RIP SGTK
Don't be that negative. I think this group will show the most surprises : - Korea which lost already 2 games against Croatia - A surprising Kelazhur against Denmark - Canada with a Scarlett which we never now at which level she will be (between medium and super sayen) - Sweden with an all zerg lineup (zerg can never be predicted, they are zergs !)
I think this group will show the best matches. I'm really hyped about it ! Blood! Blood! Blood! :-)
Props to Zombiegrub! She meshes really well with the top tier commentators. Would like to see her commentate less with rifkin, more with the big dogs. There is definitely a noticeable energetic difference with who she is commentating with. Surroundings mean everything. Go Zombiegrub!
On December 22 2016 10:02 Aeromi wrote: Guys if you have any feedback about the production please tell me.
What games were played on what maps for the Sweden/Spain, Australia/Romania, Mexico/Peru series? I'm sure there's some Liquipedia people who want to know.
I just realised that the Group USA matches take place in about 9 hours' time, but it's still not on the TL events sidebar. I almost scheduled an appointment that would've caused me to miss them!
Many of us consult the TL events calendar way in advance so it'd be good if the NW team updates it as early as possible.
Excellent production - games flowed well and the product you've got is obviously great. Casters were fab and extremely professional. Bringing tweets forward and being shouted about by the casters allowed for interaction.
Negatives: 1.Wearing those huge headsets yet they were in a studio seemed unusual - you'd expect an ear piece and a subtle mic at best - how noisy is that studio?! 2. Casters standing up all day - pretty gruelling schedule to have no seating.
Ideas Potential competition - you have a $30,000 prize pool so there must be some form of social media budget - you had 7,000 people watching and in SC2 terms that's pretty good these days, which shows people are willing to come back - why not have a share and follow Facebook / Twitter campaign and the winner gets X. Seems a no brainer, a win for short term viewers and a win for long term SC2 viewers.
Just my thoughts - gg's wp. Getting back in to the SC2 scene myself and this has totally helped!
EPT
Finland!
Poland !
Vietnam and 
Japan !
are facing those 
beasts Mr. Schlappi and Mr. de Koning? Well it's Christmas time, let the magic happen! 
Sweden! 
especially with Funka's cable hanging behind him xD
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