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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: Maru vs StatsMaru Wins (13) 62% Stats Wins (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Maru vs Stats (Vote): Maru Wins
(Vote): Stats Wins
Poll: Innovation vs TrustInnovation Wins (16) 84% Trust Wins (3) 16% 19 total votes Your vote: Innovation vs Trust (Vote): Innovation Wins
(Vote): Trust Wins
Poll: soO vs ByuLsoO Wins (14) 78% ByuL Wins (4) 22% 18 total votes Your vote: soO vs ByuL (Vote): soO Wins
(Vote): ByuL Wins
Poll: Dark vs ByunDark Wins (12) 55% Byun Wins (10) 45% 22 total votes Your vote: Dark vs Byun (Vote): Dark Wins
(Vote): Byun Wins
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some pretty good matches today o.O
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Hopefully there won't be any issues with the stream today.
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Come on Stats. Do it for the chicks.
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On December 15 2016 09:30 Phredxor wrote:
Come on Stats. Do it for the chicks.
MARUUUU
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Today stream is on 2 channels like yesterday?
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On December 15 2016 09:47 HzVee wrote:
Today stream is on 2 channels like yesterday?
No. There should only be a single series at a time.
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soO won that kespa cup so he does have some gold now.
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Canada8157 Posts
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Stats' army splitting is much better than yesterday.
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Maru's control is in prime form this tournament. Holy shit :O
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Why does it say Patience..?
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I don't see Maru beating Stats from the late midgame onwards. Stats really knows how to control the colossus/disruptor/high templar super-composition, using the disruptors to push the bio away from the liberators and snipe them. Maru likes to dive on colossi too, and never builds vikings, but that doesn't really work when there are disruptors too. Stats' openings and early defences aren't the most solid though, so that's where Maru has the best chances.
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On December 15 2016 10:30 Phredxor wrote:
Why does it say Patience..?
To remind you to be patient while they change it to say Maru.
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On December 15 2016 10:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru's control is in prime form this tournament. Holy shit :O
Impressive starsense too, just found a proxy stargate.
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No warp prism for Stats, gonna be slow reinforcements.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv
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I didn't expect Stats to do so well against Maru. Leading 2-0... What happened?
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Yeah those 2011 adepts sure looks strong.
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Maru getting protossed hard in that game
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On December 15 2016 10:47 geokilla wrote:
I didn't expect Stats to do so well against Maru. Leading 2-0... What happened?
Stats is best.
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3-0 comeback inc.
Maru is just going for maximum Noonius trolling
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so, what could Maru have done better during that game?
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On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv
I have no idea what this means.
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On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means.
proxy void ray/sentry + gateway units vs Terran.
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On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means.
wol voidray bust > 2016 tvp meta
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On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means.
It means you better get off his lawn before he starts yelling.
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On December 15 2016 10:49 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
so, what could Maru have done better during that game?
Maybe stop building scvs when he noticed the proxy pylon?
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On December 15 2016 10:51 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means. It means you better get off his lawn before he starts yelling.
I think it's too late for that.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 15 2016 10:52 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:51 Phredxor wrote:On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means. It means you better get off his lawn before he starts yelling. I think it's too late for that.
Back in my day HerO did better warp prism harass with even less hp and shields
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On December 15 2016 10:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 10:52 Ansibled wrote:On December 15 2016 10:51 Phredxor wrote:On December 15 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote:On December 15 2016 10:47 stuchiu wrote:
2011 wol kicks the shit out of 2016 lotv I have no idea what this means. It means you better get off his lawn before he starts yelling. I think it's too late for that. Back in my day HerO did better warp prism harass with even less hp and shields
Uphill both ways while his opponent did a 1/1/1
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Seems like smart terran play died with taeja. I can't help but think that the moment a terran like taeja identified stat's build he'd play insanely greedy instead of bashing his head against a wall repeatably.
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Why is lib range so uncommon now? Lib range and this fight would be twice as hard for Stats
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I mean Patience lost the first two maps, now Maru with the comeback
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So many delusional JA fans
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holy shit what a series! :D Both are playing so freaking good.
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Can the adverts not be 10x louder than the broadcast?
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On December 15 2016 11:08 Ansibled wrote:
Can the adverts not be 10x louder than the broadcast?
Anyone else having MLG flashbacks?
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On December 15 2016 11:10 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 11:08 Ansibled wrote:
Can the adverts not be 10x louder than the broadcast? Anyone else having MLG flashbacks?
Better than the NASL flashbacks yesterday.
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What's up with the delay between games in the same series?
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I don't understand why going gas first WM drop in a map where stargate is so common.
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On December 15 2016 11:21 Lexender wrote:
I don't understand why going gas first WM drop in a map where stargate is so common.
Hoping to abuse the lack of detection I suppose.
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This is just a very long death animation.
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Always a joy to see Maru lose.
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Stupid game. I have a knack for tuning in for those.
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Welp. Maru always disappoints
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Beautiful Stats beautiful.
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Time for Inno to take revenge for the fallen Terran hero!!
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Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues...
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This aint no PL, that's for sure
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The time between games is absurd; It's ruining the stream for me
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United States97276 Posts
so the return of Maru was pretty short lived I guess
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i love how maru keeps a unique style vs Protoss
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Just got here anything interesting happen?
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United States97276 Posts
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Game 3 of Maru vs Stats was pretty good I think.
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He just has no mercy D:
feel sad for Trust
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Yay, we get the good matches sooner
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Anyone else think the cyclone animation is straight from those old 2d shoot em up games?
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I didn't see game 3...was it a 1 base 1-1-1 all in from Inno?
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On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues...
I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened?
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knockout stage... fitting name :s
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On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened?
Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp.
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On December 15 2016 12:13 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened? Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp.
What does this mean?
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On December 15 2016 12:19 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 12:13 royalroadweed wrote:On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened? Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp. What does this mean?
It means everything Maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp
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On December 15 2016 12:19 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 12:13 royalroadweed wrote:On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened? Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp. What does this mean?
Maru was fantastic at early-midgame pressure and fighting vs colossus without vikings. In lotv protoss is much better at early-midgame pressure due to adepts, warp prisms and heavy colossus play fell out of favor. Additionally, disruptors make it very hard to jump on colossus.
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On December 15 2016 12:13 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened? Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp.
I don't completely agree. In HotS he played very drop heavy MMM always skipping ghosts and vikings, and that's still relevant (though not quite as good as in HotS). He hasn't been great at picking up new LotV skills to complement though.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 15 2016 12:19 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 12:13 royalroadweed wrote:On December 15 2016 12:11 geokilla wrote:On December 15 2016 11:27 neutralrobot wrote:
Maru's trouble with P in LoTV continues... I thought Maru was a TvP God like Polt. What happened? Virtually everything maru was fantastic at in hots tvp was made irrelevant in lotv tvp. What does this mean?
Everything he was good at in the game got removed, was nerfed or made unimportant.
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Tasteless looks weird looking nearly bald but with his massive beard.
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Man Tasteless shaved his scalp! He looks so weird bald with a rugged beard.
What a different look! I wonder if Wolf will copy him. When Tasteless started the beard, Wolf followed suit.
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Tasteless is greying. Time flies.
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Haha Geokilla, you posted the exact same comment seconds before mine.
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Interesting new look for Tasteless, how fun.
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ZvZzzzzz....
Only exciting part is ling/bling dance. Other than that, it gets a bit boring sometimes.
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On December 15 2016 12:35 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
ZvZzzzzz....
Only exciting part is ling/bling dance. Other than that, it gets a bit boring sometimes.
Lurkers are cool sometimes
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On December 15 2016 12:35 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
ZvZzzzzz....
Only exciting part is ling/bling dance. Other than that, it gets a bit boring sometimes.
I quite enjoyed hydra vs hydra fights pre nerf.
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soO misread that pretty hard. Byul never went above 35 drones.
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slightly! lol Soo had twice Byul's drone count.
But I think Soo misread the third hatchery. He thought ByuL was going for a longer game. ByuL cut drones for that massive roach/ling/bling push.
ByuL's clever distraction in the main to snipe the queen at the third was very good.
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Man ByuL's ling/bling control too good for Soo
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ByuL is playing amazingly good
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ByuL's ling control is making soO look silly
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mutas aren't the death blow, they are the choke hold to weaken Soo. The deathblow will be a superior roach/hydra/ravager army.
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idk what to feel about not doing any spores
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Pretty incredible how much ByuL achieved with so few mutas.
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I'm not a fan of this mass ravager vs mass ravager. this corossive bile spam just looks a bit stupid.
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On December 15 2016 13:00 Charoisaur wrote:
I'm not a fan of this mass ravager vs mass ravager. this corossive bile spam just looks a bit stupid.
It's not great, but better than roach vs roach imo.
ByuL can't seem to win a single big engagement despite everything he's done outside of them.
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What happened to ByuL's advantage? lol all of a sudden Soo is ahead.
ByuL building 8 mutas, and Soo still hasnt put up spores!
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soO having one carapace upgrade more made such a big difference
On December 15 2016 13:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:00 Charoisaur wrote:
I'm not a fan of this mass ravager vs mass ravager. this corossive bile spam just looks a bit stupid. It's not great, but better than roach vs roach imo.
I preferered roach vs roach to be honest
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This game is insanity, worthy of these two o.o
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Byul really never should have lost that game.
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5 star ZvZ. Might be the best this year
On December 15 2016 13:08 royalroadweed wrote:
Byul really never should have lost that game.
Yeah, I didn't like the banelings :/
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soOjwa!!! great game... we are having great ZvZs recently i cant complain
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didn't think you could come back in zvz after losing 16 drones to 8 mutas
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ByuL threw that pretty hard in my opinion... He was leading 2/3 of the time. No +2 armour or mining enough gas was a huge problem.
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Bravo - what a masterful and exciting ZvZ!
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OK still kind of boring, but these two makes it a bit more exciting.
dodging ravager shots is kind of like PvP disruptor ping pong.
Both were doing very well with ravager shots (both landing and dodging) but Soo apparently was better.
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On December 15 2016 13:08 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
5 star ZvZ. Might be the best this year
you should watch soO vs solar in shoutcraft kings
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On December 15 2016 13:06 Charoisaur wrote:soO having one carapace upgrade more made such a big difference Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 13:00 Charoisaur wrote:
I'm not a fan of this mass ravager vs mass ravager. this corossive bile spam just looks a bit stupid. It's not great, but better than roach vs roach imo. I preferered roach vs roach to be honest
Ravagers allow for some zoning and disengaging at least, which gives them a bit more depth than the numbers and concave game of pure roach vs roach.
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ByuL is the king of zvz throws though. cue stuchiu's summary of byul vs revival
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On December 15 2016 13:09 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
OK still kind of boring, but these two makes it a bit more exciting.
dodging ravager shots is kind of like PvP disruptor ping pong.
Both were doing very well with ravager shots (both landing and dodging) but Soo apparently was better.
I thought soO's ling runby's were critical to crippling Byul's economy and forced him into the final disasterous engagement
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On December 15 2016 13:09 Charoisaur wrote:
didn't think you could come back in zvz after losing 16 drones to 8 mutas
I know really! How did Soo come back from that deficit? I watched the entire thing, and I have no clue when Soo managed to be on par with ByuL.
ByuL even had a upgrade advantage for a bit. Armor upgrade for like a minute if I recall.
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On December 15 2016 13:10 Shellshock wrote:
ByuL is the king of zvz throws though. cue stuchiu's summary of byul vs revival
wouldn't call this a throw. just really solid play from soO and some slight mistakes from byul.
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On December 15 2016 13:11 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:09 Charoisaur wrote:
didn't think you could come back in zvz after losing 16 drones to 8 mutas I know really! How did Soo come back from that deficit? I watched the entire thing, and I have no clue when Soo managed to be on par with ByuL. ByuL even had a upgrade advantage for a bit. Armor upgrade for like a minute if I recall.
He won all the engagements. The banelings did nothing, soO had the better concave and composition, and used the buildings to protect his flanks better. Two or three engagements like that later they were roughly at parity, and then soO got ahead using ling runbys.
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those 16 lings were fantastic
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hey y'all how have the games been
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Masterfully done by ByuL delaying that natural for so long. Ling control definitely top 3. If Life didn't fuck up, I woudl say top 4
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On December 15 2016 13:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
hey y'all how have the games been
Not as good as yesterday. They've mostly been average or slightly worse. The previous game in the current series was probably the best so far.
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Not even soO macro comes back from this
On December 15 2016 13:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
hey y'all how have the games been
Up until this series, crap. g2 of soO vs ByuL might've been the best ZvZ this year
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On December 15 2016 13:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Masterfully done by ByuL delaying that natural for so long. Ling control definitely top 3. If Life didn't fuck up, I woudl say top 4
this era is the highest skilled era ever so Byul's ling control must be much better than Life's
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LOL this Overlord-Corrosive Bile interaction
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lol like 10 ravager shots dodged by that overlord!
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On December 15 2016 13:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
hey y'all how have the games been
Up until this series, crap. g2 of soO vs ByuL might've been the best ZvZ this year[/QUOTE]
soO vs Solar from Shoutcraft can be a contender
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Finish him ByuL! This could've been a 3-0!
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When did Tasteless shave?
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LOL Cricketer, we all said the same thing. Quite shocking to many of us.
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On December 15 2016 13:18 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Not even soO macro comes back from this On December 15 2016 13:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
hey y'all how have the games been Up until this series, crap. g2 of soO vs ByuL might've been the best ZvZ this year soO vs Solar from Shoutcraft can be a contender
soO vs Solar was much better. It had all the same back and forth, and a bunch of interesting unit compositions on top of that.
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On December 15 2016 13:21 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
LOL Cricketer, we all said the same thing. Quite shocking to many of us.
not sure if i'm sad or disappointed
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Yeah Tasteless' new look is hard to accept. Not sure if it really suits him, and the juxtaposition of clean crew cut up top and rugged bush beard on the chin is not a great look.
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tosis looks reeally sick, he should rest
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On December 15 2016 13:29 Topin wrote:
tosis looks reeally sick, he should rest
He will
IN SICK CITY
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Soo got lucky scouting ByuL so easily, but that early ling pressure didn't do much.
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HOLY MOTHERFUCKER!!!! THAT HATCHERY HAHAHA INSANE!
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ByuL committed way too much to defend the hatch. Moving the spine down to the lowground almost always feels wrong.
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On December 15 2016 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ByuL committed way too much to defend the hatch. Moving the spine down to the lowground almost always feels wrong.
Yeah but he almost defended it perfectly. He just didnt' expect the followup push.
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Frosted, he just might...
But not because he played poorly, but Soo played better. Both are performing so well, but its such a volatile match up its so hard to predict the outcome, even halfway into the game.
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On December 15 2016 13:36 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ByuL committed way too much to defend the hatch. Moving the spine down to the lowground almost always feels wrong. Yeah but he almost defended it perfectly. He just didnt' expect the followup push.
Even after the initial push he lost two queens, the spine, more lings, a few drones.
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grape is the worst candy flavor but
Mango > Grape = Strawberry > Apple
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And it's not just 12 Pool, it's 12Pool against 17 Hatch... I think it's still defensible though
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On December 15 2016 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:36 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On December 15 2016 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ByuL committed way too much to defend the hatch. Moving the spine down to the lowground almost always feels wrong. Yeah but he almost defended it perfectly. He just didnt' expect the followup push. Even after the initial push he lost two queens, the spine, more lings, a few drones.
OK not perfectly, but he did defend it, and ByuL was almost par against Soo.
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Shouldn't ByuL research Speed just in case he defends this? Easier for him to counter attack.
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Wow soO fucked up on the ramp
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On December 15 2016 13:39 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 13:36 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On December 15 2016 13:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ByuL committed way too much to defend the hatch. Moving the spine down to the lowground almost always feels wrong. Yeah but he almost defended it perfectly. He just didnt' expect the followup push. Even after the initial push he lost two queens, the spine, more lings, a few drones. OK not perfectly, but he did defend it, and ByuL was almost par against Soo.
I don't think so. He was pretty behind. Even if he knew about the follow-up, he didn't have much to defend it.
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This is gonna be sickkkkk
Nvm. That went rather poorly.
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ByuL playing his best tournament
edit: corrected name xD
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8 queens. May as be a living great wall
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not sure I've seen 8 queens before in zvz
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All games were quite good. Still not a fan of ZvZ, but those 2 definitely made it fun.
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On December 15 2016 13:44 Charoisaur wrote:
not sure I've seen 8 queens before in zvz
You need to watch more Zanster.
And now for a Blizzcon finals rematch.
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so... how long until the next game... i have to wake up early
edit: ByuN vs Dark next? going to look for something to eat, i can be late tomorrow
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Guys its Dark vs Byun!!!! This is going to be a sick matchup. Arguably the best zerg against the best terran at the moment.
On December 15 2016 13:47 Topin wrote:
so... how long until the next game... i have to wake up early
I feel ya Topin
I might have to miss the last matches.
Will tune in for the first one at least.... I will be really sad if they are great matches.
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now for the match ive been waiting all day for
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why is maynarde and not tastosis casting THIS game...
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That was an epic ZvZ, both players played great
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On December 15 2016 13:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
why is maynarde and not tastosis casting THIS game...
weird combo, lets see how it works
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ByuN's got this. Senpai is waiting in the next round :3
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On December 15 2016 14:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ByuN's got this. Senpai is waiting in the next round :3
hahaha holy shit! i cant imagine that semifinal
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On December 15 2016 14:04 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ByuN's got this. Senpai is waiting in the next round :3 hahaha holy shit! i cant imagine that semifinal
Plz sign my jersey Inno.
Ok.
Inno goes to the back and sees Mvp walk by.
Plz sign my jersey Mvp.
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Dark playing mutas, whats going on
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On December 15 2016 14:16 Inflicted wrote:
Dark playing mutas, whats going on
Patch 3.8's happening.
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Welcome back to muta ling/bling. Great micro Byun.
Highest skilled era
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I love watching Byun lose.
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Wait, when did Innovation vs Trust happen?
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Dark's zvt looks scary. I'm not sure if even Inno can stand up to him.
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man Darks macro was out of control
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On December 15 2016 14:18 stuchiu wrote:
Welcome back to muta ling/bling. Great micro Byun.
Highest skilled era
yea seriously, I'm so happy mutas are back in tvz
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Alright, I missed the whole tournament so far, but at least I get to see ByuN vs Dark :D
gogo Dark
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hellbats when every zerg masses queens in earlygame?
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how was stats v maru btw?
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creep not connecting his pocket natural with his main really hurt him
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unbelievable how both players keep their ressources constantly under 300 during this.
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Wow look at that focus fire. What a god.
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Dark with half the army, he's pretty dead with no 4th
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If ByuN could split like Dream on creep he would have won this game already.
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Too bad Dream has done all of nothing this year.
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On December 15 2016 14:32 starkiller123 wrote:
Too bad Dream has done all of nothing this year.
poor bubbleboy
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On December 15 2016 14:30 stuchiu wrote:
If ByuN could split like Dream on creep he would have won this game already.
and if Dark would play like Life he would have won too 
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I felt Daybreak was fairly Zerg favoured while Vaani is very difficult for Zerg to hold a fourth base. What's the next map?
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Where are all the people who love to shit on Wolf for saying the wrong things during casts? They should be all over this one.
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On December 15 2016 14:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:30 stuchiu wrote:
If ByuN could split like Dream on creep he would have won this game already. and if Dark would play like Life he would have won too
Umm. Life loses on purpose so nope.
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On December 15 2016 14:33 EatingBomber wrote:
I felt Daybreak was fairly Zerg favoured while Vaani is very difficult for Zerg to hold a fourth base. What's the next map?
I don't think Daybreak is bad for terran. Siege tanks are very strong on it.
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On December 15 2016 14:33 EatingBomber wrote:
I felt Daybreak was fairly Zerg favoured while Vaani is very difficult for Zerg to hold a fourth base. What's the next map?
Daybreak is terran favoured. Nerchio lost to INnoVation because of that.
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On December 15 2016 14:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:33 EatingBomber wrote:
I felt Daybreak was fairly Zerg favoured while Vaani is very difficult for Zerg to hold a fourth base. What's the next map? I don't think Daybreak is bad for terran. Siege tanks are very strong on it.
Hmmm, but I feel the short distance between the natural and third, and the fourth's location near the watchtower offering a strong defensive position, makes it easier than, say, Echo or Vaani or Overgrowth, for Zerg to hold a fourth and defend pushes. I think I'm wrong, but Dark's build on that map (fast 3rd) seemed to accentuate that
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
TSL Roach defeats Prime Terran.
Hi 2012
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this timing looks so strong. Inno was already helpless against it in shoutcrafts
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On December 15 2016 14:42 stuchiu wrote:
TSL Roach defeats Prime Terran.
Hi 2012
The quality of your shitposting is declining pretty fast considering you hit rock bottom 36 hours ago.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
What happened 36 hours ago?
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omg burrowed fungal .. #disgusting xD
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Australia18228 Posts
4k bank vs 120 supply, hmmm
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Damn Dark why couldn't you have done this at Blizzcon
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these have been goood games but all three looked really one sided
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 15 2016 14:48 Phredxor wrote:Damn Dark why couldn't you have done this at Blizzcon
pre-patch
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i cant be mad if someone is playing this good to defeat ByuN
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
These Dark vs ByuN games are going to be decided how much of an advantage ByuN can get early game and how well ByuN can hold intiative (like Blizzcon). Difference is that the patch and meta gave it to ByuN by default. He'll have to work for it here.
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Yeah, against Roach-Ravager timings or all-ins I think the Tanks change might have hurt more than it helped
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On December 15 2016 14:50 stuchiu wrote:
These Dark vs ByuN games are going to be decided how much of an advantage ByuN can get early game and how well ByuN can hold intiative (like Blizzcon). Difference is that the patch and meta gave it to ByuN by default. He'll have to work for it here.
And the maps.
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On December 15 2016 14:42 stuchiu wrote:
TSL Roach defeats Prime Terran.
Hi 2012
They didn't have Ravagers in 2012 though
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On December 15 2016 14:52 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:42 stuchiu wrote:
TSL Roach defeats Prime Terran.
Hi 2012 They didn't have Ravagers in 2012 though
And Dark never played for TSL.
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So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet.
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On December 15 2016 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:52 fronkschnonk wrote:On December 15 2016 14:42 stuchiu wrote:
TSL Roach defeats Prime Terran.
Hi 2012 They didn't have Ravagers in 2012 though And Dark never played for TSL.
I guess I'll explain it. TSL Roach is just using an aggressive attack on 1 base, 2 base or 3 base against Terrans to catch them off guard. Largely propagated by the TSL team, they were used by multiple other Zergs across the time period. Notably players like Sen and Snute (and even then I used the words TSL Roach or TSL attack there).
Ravagers obviously didn't exist, but if you can't see the similarities and think overall strategies or ideas are restricted by strict unit compositions, that's your loss.
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Byun is too greedy,chasing those ravagers instead of taking down that low health Dark's 3rd base.
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On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet.
the baneling buff seems to be really strong but I think it's to early to make conclusions on balance. tvp looks pretty fair.
only thing I absolutely detest at the moment is the burrow-fungal coinflip mechanic.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet.
I straight up think Maru is bad at TvP so I can't judge that matchup based on his play.
I heard it's a Zerg favored meta from multiple pros.
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On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet.
We actually cannot be too sure. The removal of the Tankivac surely reduced the power of a few Terran aggressive options, such as the 2-Tankivac follow-up to the 16 Marine 2-1-1 drop, which became somewhat easier to defend since the Tanks are just sitting ducks. Furthermore, a lot of the games simply developed into standard MZB vs 4M games, which are balanced for both sides (but this was actually previously Terran-favoured since the Liberator exterminated Mutalisks, which is no longer the case) . We will need to wait for more time, but thus far, yes, Roach-Ravager timings (you just saw one in which Dark maxed out while ByuN was on 121 supply) seem incredibly powerful.
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On December 15 2016 14:56 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet. the baneling buff seems to be really strong but I think it's to early to make conclusions on balance. tvp looks pretty fair. only thing I absolutely detest at the moment is the burrow-fungal coinflip mechanic.
Oh, I wouldn't want to make any statements about game balance yet. It's totally possible Terrans will figure this shit out tomorrow, but it sure looks like so far it's not great for T. The burrow fungal thing does seem problematic though, it would be cool to see the burrowed infestors be weaker somehow (reduced casting range maybe?)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
You can't judge burrowed infestors from that game since ByuN was so far behind he couldn't afford better tec, more units or scans to deal with them.
They could be problematic, but that isn't the game that tells me one way or another.
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Does anyone know the wcs point spread for this tournament 0_0
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On December 15 2016 15:00 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 14:56 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet. the baneling buff seems to be really strong but I think it's to early to make conclusions on balance. tvp looks pretty fair. only thing I absolutely detest at the moment is the burrow-fungal coinflip mechanic. Oh, I wouldn't want to make any statements about game balance yet. It's totally possible Terrans will figure this shit out tomorrow, but it sure looks like so far it's not great for T. The burrow fungal thing does seem problematic though, it would be cool to see the burrowed infestors be weaker somehow (reduced casting range maybe?)
The burrow-infestor thing is a design problem more so than a balance problem.
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On December 15 2016 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
You can't judge burrowed infestors from that game since ByuN was so far behind he couldn't afford better tec, more units or scans to deal with them.
Yeah, but I think it seems fairly obvious that burrowed Infestors are a very powerful defensive tool that can be used to turtle very hard since the creep vision (and how Terran units move on them) makes it very easy for Zerg to just sit on creep and use the fungal to hit before the Terran declumps his units
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On December 15 2016 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
You can't judge burrowed infestors from that game since ByuN was so far behind he couldn't afford better tec, more units or scans to deal with them.
They could be problematic, but that isn't the game that tells me one way or another.
As ZigguratOfUr says, I more meant problematic from a design perspective. As in, I'm not eager to return to the WoL era of "oops, you looked away from your army for 0.001 seconds and now your whole army is dead, gg," even if we do find a way to make it balanced somehow.
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On December 15 2016 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
You can't judge burrowed infestors from that game since ByuN was so far behind he couldn't afford better tec, more units or scans to deal with them.
They could be problematic, but that isn't the game that tells me one way or another.
I don't dislike burrow-fungal because of balance issues but more because there's not really counterplay to them other than getting lucky with a scan. terran can't afford a raven with bio play and 1 fungal on a clump of bio can instantly end the game.
even if it's fine balance-wise I don't like that you can instantly lose the game without doing anything wrong other than not guessing the correct time to scan.
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On December 15 2016 15:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
You can't judge burrowed infestors from that game since ByuN was so far behind he couldn't afford better tec, more units or scans to deal with them.
They could be problematic, but that isn't the game that tells me one way or another. I don't dislike burrow-fungal because of balance issues but more because there's not really counterplay to them other than getting lucky with a scan. terran can't afford a raven with bio play and 1 fungal on a clump of bio can instantly end the game. even if it's fine balance-wise I don't like that you can instantly lose the game without doing anything wrong other than not guessing the correct time to scan.
Raven isn't counter play. It's too slow. If you wanted counter play, you'd need to have a great intuitive sense of where they are unseen and then scan. Only T player I can think of that did do that was Taeja.
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The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops.
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I love seeing Mutalisks again :D
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i missed you ling bane muta
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On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops.
Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness
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Dear God these two are ridiculous.
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this is the TvZ i remember :D
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I've missed those kind of games this year
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Norway839 Posts
echo has a very cool flow to it in zvt after 3 base, it almost always ends up in this scrappy situation with terran on one base vs a mineral starved zerg muta cloud. this game follows the standard echo flow with very good execution from both players
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On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness
Flash
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fun game! deserves a game 5
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hahahaha im so happy! what a series
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On December 15 2016 15:19 Topin wrote:
hahahaha im so happy! what a series
Man, this should have been the finals..
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On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash
in BW ofc.
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On December 15 2016 15:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:00 ChristianS wrote:On December 15 2016 14:56 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 14:54 ChristianS wrote:
So I haven't watched a lot of games on it, but it seems like this patch has probably been pretty rough on Terran? Increased health and damage on the tank doesn't seem to really offset the loss of mobility with medivacs, especially against blinding cloud or corrosive bile, and lib nerf + bane buff seems to make muta/ling/bane a bit of a nightmare.
You guys have probably watched more post-patch games than me, is that what you've been seeing? I don't really know about TvP, I haven't seen much of it yet. the baneling buff seems to be really strong but I think it's to early to make conclusions on balance. tvp looks pretty fair. only thing I absolutely detest at the moment is the burrow-fungal coinflip mechanic. Oh, I wouldn't want to make any statements about game balance yet. It's totally possible Terrans will figure this shit out tomorrow, but it sure looks like so far it's not great for T. The burrow fungal thing does seem problematic though, it would be cool to see the burrowed infestors be weaker somehow (reduced casting range maybe?) The burrow-infestor thing is a design problem more so than a balance problem.
Yeah, cloaked units shouldn't do aoe damage without some significant drawback.
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On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness
If you mean without doing any damage prior to >20 mutas, the only one that managed it was Taeja. Everyone else inevitably died (especially post-WoL because of the regen buff).
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On December 15 2016 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash in BW ofc.
Turret forest nostalgia
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On December 15 2016 15:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness If you mean without doing any damage prior to >20 mutas, the only one that managed it was Taeja. Everyone else inevitably died (especially post-WoL because of the regen buff).
Life vs TaeJa on Heavy Rain is still one of the greatest games of all time
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I think Bio vs roach/ravager is right in ByuN's wheelhouse. I favor him to win g5.
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On December 15 2016 15:23 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash in BW ofc. Turret forest nostalgia
in his game in sc2 against curious he was pretty safe against mutas too
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why is Dark going roach/ravager if MLB was doing great :/
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On December 15 2016 15:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:23 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 15 2016 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash in BW ofc. Turret forest nostalgia in his game in sc2 against curious he was pretty safe against mutas too
The Flash vs Curious game I remember was the one where Curious made a comeback with Viper roach because Flash didn't want to make vikings to protect his mech army.
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On December 15 2016 15:27 Topin wrote:
why is Dark going roach/ravager if MLB was doing great :/
the map is pretty bad for LBM imo
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On December 15 2016 15:27 Topin wrote:
why is Dark going roach/ravager if MLB was doing great :/
He likes roach/ravager on this map.
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On December 15 2016 15:27 Topin wrote:
why is Dark going roach/ravager if MLB was doing great :/
He's 1-1 with MLB. I get the feeling he'd rather go out dying on a style he prefers playing which is this one.
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On December 15 2016 15:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:23 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 15 2016 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash in BW ofc. Turret forest nostalgia in his game in sc2 against curious he was pretty safe against mutas too
That was a fun game.
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On December 15 2016 15:28 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:26 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:23 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 15 2016 15:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash in BW ofc. Turret forest nostalgia in his game in sc2 against curious he was pretty safe against mutas too The Flash vs Curious game I remember was the one where Curious made a comeback with Viper roach because Flash didn't want to make vikings to protect his mech army.
There was another game on Iron fortress where Flash made more than 80 turrets and won with Mass BC/Raven
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Ok that burrowed infestor was disgusting.
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i dont remember the whole patch but are infestors incredibly good now that they can do that?
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time to start pushing with turrets
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Watching Byun lose is the greatest pleasure in esport history.
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On December 15 2016 15:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i dont remember the whole patch but are infestors incredibly good now that they can do that?
It's pretty much a coinflip. If terran doesn't scan at the right moment infestors can win the game by themselves.
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On December 15 2016 15:32 usopsama wrote:
Watching Byun lose is the greatest pleasure in esport history.
It's good, but it's not quite watching Marine King or Creator cry.
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On December 15 2016 15:33 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:32 usopsama wrote:
Watching Byun lose is the greatest pleasure in esport history. It's good, but it's not quite watching Marine King or Creator cry.
Remember when Maru 2 rax'd Creator on Vaani
I miss Proleague
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I think burrowed NP's are fine, but burrowed FG's are kinda broken, tbh.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Do you remember a man named GhostKingPrime?
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I want to see lib range and ravens
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On December 15 2016 15:35 stuchiu wrote:
Do you remember a man named GhostKingPrime?
I only remember NEXExcrement.
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Ok that was sick by Dark, having those infestors for that backstab by Byun's attack. Good games, zvt is so much better now than before :D
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On December 15 2016 15:36 Phredxor wrote:
Beautiful fungals.
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well i dont really know how to feel about burrowed fungals.........
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fuck that was the end of the dream
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You have failed your mancrush ByuN ;;
oh well, probably would've been too intimidated to play him anyway
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to add on, burrowed fungals is just like no aim fungals. It is way too powerful and almost impossible to counter.
It was a great series and then burrowed fungals just spoilt it.
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Well clearly Burrowed FG's are working as intended *Insert "IMBA IMBA IMBA" pic here*
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seriously curious who at blizzard thought burrowed fungals were a good idea
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attacking was a mistake by Byun. I think in that situation you have to go split map scenario with mass lib/ghost/raven
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Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however.
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On December 15 2016 15:37 partypoker wrote:
seriously curious who at blizzard thought burrowed fungals were a good idea
don't you see the cool factor of burrowed fungal? I have an idea who had this idea.
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Maybe burrowed fungal won't be a problem in a few weeks if Terrans just start massing ravens every game. We might have other problems then, but hey.
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On December 15 2016 15:36 Phredxor wrote:
Beautiful fungals.
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On December 15 2016 15:38 Rockafella wrote:
Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however.
I think they should just give DT's Psi Storm.
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On December 15 2016 15:40 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:38 Rockafella wrote:
Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however. I think they should just give DT's Psi Storm.
Make Archons able to cast the HT's spells, just like in Co-op
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On December 15 2016 15:41 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:40 Phredxor wrote:On December 15 2016 15:38 Rockafella wrote:
Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however. I think they should just give DT's Psi Storm. Make Archons able to cast the HT's spells, just like in Co-op
We should be allowed to fusion more than 2 high templars/dark templars at a time to create a variety of super-archons with sick abilities.
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If Blizz wanna keep burrowfestor they should Redesign Raven into a cheap mobile support Gas unit. You can't scan all the map and 200 gas really hurts Terran... If your Raven get sniped you lose 200 gas and like a lot of time to build another one... also they are slow as hell.....
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Maybe nukes should complete their launch even if the ghost dies in the process.
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On December 15 2016 15:41 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:40 Phredxor wrote:On December 15 2016 15:38 Rockafella wrote:
Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however. I think they should just give DT's Psi Storm. Make Archons able to cast the HT's spells, just like in Co-op
Siege Tanks should be able to shoot from one side of the map to the other.
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On December 15 2016 15:43 rednusa wrote:
Maybe nukes should complete their launch even if the ghost dies in the process.
Good point, but they land at a random place on the map
sounds good to me
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On December 15 2016 15:45 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:41 Durnuu wrote:On December 15 2016 15:40 Phredxor wrote:On December 15 2016 15:38 Rockafella wrote:
Burrowed Fungals are retarded. Imagine Cloaked High Templars..
Great games however. I think they should just give DT's Psi Storm. Make Archons able to cast the HT's spells, just like in Co-op Siege Tanks should be able to shoot from one side of the map to the other.
Now you're just being silly.
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On December 15 2016 15:37 Kaizor wrote:
It was a great series and then burrowed fungals just spoilt it.
same with reapers at blizzcon..
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On December 15 2016 15:46 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:37 Kaizor wrote:
It was a great series and then burrowed fungals just spoilt it. same with reapers at blizzcon..
ByuN with reapers ruined Blizzcon (and presumably every other time he used that build in 2016), you mean?
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On December 15 2016 15:52 rednusa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:46 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:37 Kaizor wrote:
It was a great series and then burrowed fungals just spoilt it. same with reapers at blizzcon.. ByuN with reapers ruined Blizzcon (and presumably every other time he used that build in 2016), you mean?
just the finals. I think we got robbed of some great macro games because of the reaper builds.
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Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
YYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!! DARK MAH BOY! GET THAT REVENGE!
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I see that Terrans are still huge cry babies... Guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Was a good zvt and Dark outplayed Byun in that last game.
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On December 15 2016 16:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:52 rednusa wrote:On December 15 2016 15:46 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 15:37 Kaizor wrote:
It was a great series and then burrowed fungals just spoilt it. same with reapers at blizzcon.. ByuN with reapers ruined Blizzcon (and presumably every other time he used that build in 2016), you mean? just the finals. I think we got robbed of some great macro games because of the reaper builds.
I agree. The finals were a tad anti-climatic. I think ByuN quickly realised Dark was not good at dealing with his reaper openings and just decided to go straight for the kill. I don't blame him though and I was happy that he won Blizzcon.
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On December 15 2016 16:12 blade55555 wrote:
I see that Terrans are still huge cry babies... Guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Was a good zvt and Dark outplayed Byun in that last game.
It's not about balance, I just think burrow-fungal is a dumb mechanics (for reasons already explained)
Zergs are just as big crybabies as terrans seeing all the complaints about reapers after the blizzcon finals.
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On December 15 2016 16:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 16:12 blade55555 wrote:
I see that Terrans are still huge cry babies... Guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Was a good zvt and Dark outplayed Byun in that last game. It's not about balance, I just think burrow-fungal is a dumb mechanics (for reasons already explained) Zergs are just as big crybabies as terrans seeing all the complaints about reapers after the blizzcon finals.
Well I think Burrowfestor is terrible design... just like Widow Mine.. Oracle... Ravagers... etc.
Why would you want a super strong invisible caster who can stun lot of supply if you don't scan have a Raven ?
And do that in 1 Second? If game needs something is to be slowed down...
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France12762 Posts
On December 15 2016 16:12 blade55555 wrote:
I see that Terrans are still huge cry babies... Guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Was a good zvt and Dark outplayed Byun in that last game.
Well the matchup still seems broken (Nerchio beat ByuN and destroyed uThermal, MarineLord only beat 3-2 a random French zerg, ByuN can't beat Dark anymore, etc) why wouldn't they cry?
Easy to say people are crybabies when your race is in a good spot for forever long.
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i'm gonna make some raven!->huge zerglings and roaches
i'm gomma make some medevac!->burrowed fungal
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thx. woke up and the whole thing was already over
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On December 15 2016 17:56 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 16:12 blade55555 wrote:
I see that Terrans are still huge cry babies... Guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Was a good zvt and Dark outplayed Byun in that last game. Well the matchup still seems broken (Nerchio beat ByuN and destroyed uThermal, MarineLord only beat 3-2 a random French zerg, ByuN can't beat Dark anymore, etc) why wouldn't they cry? Easy to say people are crybabies when your race is in a good spot for forever long.
Hahahaha Terrans just feel entitled to win every game.
TvZ is fine now stop whining, Zerg finally got a strong midgame and can actually win without having to turtle for hive tech every game now.
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I love the smell of Terran tears in the morning.
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Thanks for the VOD link 
To be honest the game seems pretty well balanced right now (at least if you read TL you can find balance whine in almost equal measure from P, T and Z ehehehe :D)
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Any particularly good maps from the soO game please?
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Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
The games were great, Dark was clearly better in so many aspects, but no, there always will be whining when something interesting has an effect on the game. Some people would probably prefer if all races just got differently skinned marines and fought each other with pure damage, because that's the only thing that isn't imba.
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On December 15 2016 20:49 Edpayasugo wrote:
Any particularly good maps from the soO game please?
Newkirk (g3?) was a really good game if you enjoy positioning wars
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On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all 
thats really something...
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On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something...
Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening?
I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ...
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On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ...
dont want to turn this thread into a battlenet balance whine fest, I just wanted to point out the other side of the medal...
your sig is pretty fucked up btw
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Oh Byun lost, i bet he at least target fired some banelings 
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On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ...
I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it.
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On December 16 2016 00:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ... I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it.
Requiring detection isn't a coinflip...
Dark vs ByuN was a great series, hopefully INnoVation can put up an even better fight.
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On December 16 2016 00:24 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 00:12 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ... I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it. Requiring detection isn't a coinflip... Dark vs ByuN was a great series, hopefully INnoVation can put up an even better fight.
Yah it's not a coinflip but I find kinda unfair to make Terran Bio even harder than before. On Top of all Byun got to do now he have to babysit a Raven (200 gas slow unit) or his army will get REKT. Meanwhile... Z have easier having an invisible caster.... How is that fair? And I don't think mass scan is viable against Infestor... you can't scan all the map / You lose a ton of economy.
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On December 15 2016 15:19 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2016 15:16 EatingBomber wrote:On December 15 2016 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
The theoretical counter play is that infestors eliminate mutas (as an option) from the tech tree so you can ramp up harassment and aggression with liberators and drops. Just curious; which Terran player did you think had the best anti-Mutalisk tactics of all time? As in, those who were best at countering large flocks (>20) of mutalisks and actually managing to completely nullify their effectiveness Flash
For SC2 I think Taeja had a very good anti-mutalisk tactic.
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On December 16 2016 00:51 ignussssssssss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 00:24 Ansibled wrote:On December 16 2016 00:12 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ... I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it. Requiring detection isn't a coinflip... Dark vs ByuN was a great series, hopefully INnoVation can put up an even better fight. Yah it's not a coinflip but I find kinda unfair to make Terran Bio even harder than before. On Top of all Byun got to do now he have to babysit a Raven (200 gas slow unit) or his army will get REKT. Meanwhile... Z have easier having an invisible caster.... How is that fair? And I don't think mass scan is viable against Infestor... you can't scan all the map / You lose a ton of economy.
I think they need to buff Ravens speed or make it not require a tech lab. Idk I think the reactor/tech lab requirements is what's screwing up a lot of things for T
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Watching Dark vs ByuN, there are many situations where the infestors could have been unborrowed, and the fungals would still have hit ByuN army without problems (and they were protected by the roach/ravager army of Dark).
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Any series worth watching?
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pretty much everything except Innovation vs Trust tbh.
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On December 16 2016 00:24 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 00:12 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ... I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it. Requiring detection isn't a coinflip...
When the primary mode of detection is an infrequent, short timed circle, it becomes one. Are the hidden units in the circle, or in the case of at least one scan in game 5, just barely out of the radius?
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On December 16 2016 05:22 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 00:24 Ansibled wrote:On December 16 2016 00:12 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2016 23:05 opisska wrote:On December 15 2016 22:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 15 2016 22:31 opisska wrote:
Wuut, are terrans with cloaked assassins that can erase one full mined out base worth of ultras in three seconds now salty that zergs can cast a spell from something invisible? That's really something ...
yes but one burrowed fungal can cancel it all thats really something... Are you aware that those very ghosts also posses the EMP that prevents the very fungal from ever happening? I mean, this whine that "X does Y and that is insane" is in itself insane, because there are just many things in the game that do cool things. People nowadays when faced with something new, they do not want to work out ways how to deal with them, but they just want to ask mummy Blizzard to fix it for them ... I guess time will tell if infestors are a problem or not. Right now it feels like a coinflip-mechanic (does the terran scan or not?) and that's why I dislike it. Requiring detection isn't a coinflip... When the primary mode of detection is an infrequent, short timed circle, it becomes one. Are the hidden units in the circle, or in the case of at least one scan in game 5, just barely out of the radius?
Do you know that the "hidden" units are actually visible even when not detected?
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Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this.
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On December 16 2016 05:32 Phredxor wrote:
Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this.
aLive is the scan bandit, re-learn your Wolfisms plz.
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On December 16 2016 05:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:32 Phredxor wrote:
Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this. aLive is the scan bandit, re-learn your Wolfisms plz.
Fuck i thought it might have been but then i decided nobody would bother to nickname him. I failed.
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On December 16 2016 05:39 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:34 Elentos wrote:On December 16 2016 05:32 Phredxor wrote:
Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this. aLive is the scan bandit, re-learn your Wolfisms plz. Fuck i thought it might have been but then i decided nobody would bother to nickname him. I failed.
Scan bandit might still be my favorite Wolfism. It's so silly and nonsensical.
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On December 16 2016 05:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:39 Phredxor wrote:On December 16 2016 05:34 Elentos wrote:On December 16 2016 05:32 Phredxor wrote:
Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this. aLive is the scan bandit, re-learn your Wolfisms plz. Fuck i thought it might have been but then i decided nobody would bother to nickname him. I failed. Scan bandit might still be my favorite Wolfism. It's so silly and nonsensical.
Pocket Terran for lyf.
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Did they really jammed the entire RO16 into a single day, jammed the entire RO8 into another day, only to split the RO4 into two days? That must be a typo, right?
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On December 16 2016 05:49 usopsama wrote:
Did they really jammed the entire RO16 into a single day, jammed the entire RO8 into another day, only to split the RO4 into two days? That must be a typo, right?
No this is real life.
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On December 16 2016 05:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:49 usopsama wrote:
Did they really jammed the entire RO16 into a single day, jammed the entire RO8 into another day, only to split the RO4 into two days? That must be a typo, right? No this is real life.
It isn't called Intel Extreme Masters for nothing
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On December 16 2016 05:49 usopsama wrote:
Did they really jammed the entire RO16 into a single day, jammed the entire RO8 into another day, only to split the RO4 into two days? That must be a typo, right?
It's because the last days are shared between LoL, SC2, and Overwatch.
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smh Byun such a disappointment in this tourney
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On December 16 2016 05:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:39 Phredxor wrote:On December 16 2016 05:34 Elentos wrote:On December 16 2016 05:32 Phredxor wrote:
Gumiho the scan bandit is ready for this. aLive is the scan bandit, re-learn your Wolfisms plz. Fuck i thought it might have been but then i decided nobody would bother to nickname him. I failed. Scan bandit might still be my favorite Wolfism. It's so silly and nonsensical.
Put all your scans in the bag!
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On December 16 2016 08:14 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
soO vs ByuL game 2
ByuN vs Dark game 4 and 5
honestly, both of the latter series are worth watching in their entirety but those 3 are the standouts imo.
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Kinda disappointed in Dark vs Byun tbh, game 4 was decent though. Watching game 5 atm
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On December 16 2016 08:14 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
Dark vs Byun Game 1, 3, 5.
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Are we using this thread for Dark vs Innovation?
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On December 16 2016 12:45 geokilla wrote:
Are we using this thread for Dark vs Innovation?
Yeah are we? Cuz this shit is going to get crazy!
I really hope Innovation beats dark, only because I want ByuL to win the other semifinals, and than have another TvZ for Innovation. At some point he has to bust out a mech build. At least I hope he does.
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EPT
OGaming | 
Take TV |
ESL PL | 
ESL RU | 
ESL BR ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png)
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Maru vs 
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