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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote: the international is everything but random That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed? I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:58 virpi wrote: I actually think that the initial WCS system was pretty neat. People like countries, especially their own. Crowning national / continental champions built up a nice storyline. Of course, it was pretty much clear that a Korean would win the finals, but still everyone was hyped back then. That said, you definitely can't compare 2012 to 2016. Back then, we had multiple big companies running regular tournaments, right now, there's nothing much left. I actually think it was great, but it wasn't a good wcs system because it was more like a one event thing. It basically was like WCG, which in itself is a great concept ofc but not enough to sustain the foreigner scene i think. I think having actual tournaments again which run for some time, with group stages, etc like wcs 2014 is the way to go. Completely region locked and more effort put into building star players through extra content (like the videos we got this blizzcon) Weekend tournaments could still exist in that system and maybe you wanna region lock some of them, personally i would prefer completely open but if there are a good number of "global" ones that would be ok too. I am not saying it would work RIGHT NOW that way, but it would have been a decent system a few years ago i think. On November 06 2016 01:01 opisska wrote: Viper, you need to stop blabbering about the WCS system and post a passion thing for today instead Sorry not gonna happen today, i figured that i would need to continue with my winners (Dark, Elazer, TY and Zest) and that would be kinda meh after 2 of them aren't in the tournament anymore. Was just a day one thing  | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well Valve and Riot are surely better than Blizzard and because these three are the only important ones atm i would say Valve and Riot are "good" in this context. Everybody makes mistakes and you will always have some factors you aren't happy with. . Valve literally just fucked over one of their biggest third party tournaments by scheduling their 'Major' at the same time as dreamhacks Dreamleague | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:03 Poopi wrote: That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed? I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible. what do you mean ? | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
That TI winners are different each and every year. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Valve literally just fucked over one of their biggest third party tournaments by scheduling their 'Major' at the same time as dreamhacks Dreamleague Sure, as i said there are always problems, nothing is ever perfect. But looking at the bigger picture Valve and even Riot (i hate RIOT btw) do a better job and show more expertise at handling their scenes. But yeah bad topic for this thread, sry to bring up the low viewer numbers i guess. Hoping for at least 70k today | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, as i said there are always problems, nothing is ever perfect. But looking at the bigger picture Valve and even Riot (i hate RIOT btw) do a better job and show more expertise at handling their scenes. But yeah bad topic for this thread, sry to bring up the low viewer numbers i guess. Hoping for at least 70k today I dunno LoL ratio of viewers/post on reddit/TL is really really bad compared to starcraft. It's possible to double post on LL even after watching a 30mn game, so absurd. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sorry not gonna happen today, i figured that i would need to continue with my winners (Dark, Elazer, TY and Zest) and that would be kinda meh after 2 of them aren't in the tournament anymore. Was just a day one thing But there was so much foreshadowing! You are literarly firefly at this point. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:08 Poopi wrote: That TI winners are different each and every year. yea but that doesn't mean the game is not well managed, some oustanding players break out each year that was the case for this year | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: The idea of wcs also was to get "good" viewer numbers because people can cheer for the foreigners. It apparently did not work all that well because at the end of the day people wanna see fan favorites and the average foreigner simply isn't a fan favorite at all in the current scene. Right now we have 55k for blizzcon which is a bad joke tbh. Last year it was over 80k for the quarterfinals. The current WCS system helped foreigners to get better, i won't deny that. But it didn't work at all regarding viewer numbers, it's a big failure in that regard and yes i think that's absolutely partly due to how it all worked this year. And last year there was no overwatch On November 06 2016 01:11 Poopi wrote: I dunno LoL ratio of viewers/post on reddit/TL is really really bad compared to starcraft. It's possible to double post on LL even after watching a 30mn game, so absurd. Because LL isn't a very active site and whatever activity it has left is in Discord. Reddit killed community sites. | ||
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Elentos
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:24 Barrin wrote: Are the grand finals today right after the semis? Or tomorrow? Today. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:12 opisska wrote: But there was so much foreshadowing! You are literarly firefly at this point. I actually had a basic idea of what would happen today if i would have had the passion to continue. But at the same time most "foreshadowing" you saw is probably not intended at all (if you are being serious ) Still, was fun to write yesterday even though i had to be lazy with Zest vs Stats out of time reasons :/ On November 06 2016 01:22 Elentos wrote: I wonder how many potential Blizzcon viewers the matchfixing scandals - and specifically losing Life - cost the scene. I would guess that it wasn't the biggest deal tbh. Was Life a big fan favorite for more casual viewers? Dunno about that. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would guess that it wasn't the biggest deal tbh. Was Life a big fan favorite for more casual viewers? Dunno about that. I wasn't really talking about casual viewers. If you're losing casual viewership the problem is the game and how it's being presented to the audience (but we don't even have concrete evidence if we're losing casual viewers or people who used to be regular viewers). But Life was undeniably a big fan favorite. He appeared in many non-Korean tournaments, he actually displayed more personality than many of the other "faceless Koreans", he even made 2 Blizzcon finals. He was one of the guys casual fans might have actually seen play during the year before Blizzcon. It definitely hurt. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On November 06 2016 01:08 Poopi wrote: That TI winners are different each and every year. Na'vi? | ||
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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