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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 05 2016 16:01 GMT
#4021
Viper, you need to stop blabbering about the WCS system and post a passion thing for today instead
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
November 05 2016 16:03 GMT
#4022
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote:
the international is everything but random

That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed?
I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible.
WriterMaru
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:07:50
November 05 2016 16:04 GMT
#4023
On November 06 2016 00:58 virpi wrote:
I actually think that the initial WCS system was pretty neat. People like countries, especially their own. Crowning national / continental champions built up a nice storyline. Of course, it was pretty much clear that a Korean would win the finals, but still everyone was hyped back then.
That said, you definitely can't compare 2012 to 2016. Back then, we had multiple big companies running regular tournaments, right now, there's nothing much left.

I actually think it was great, but it wasn't a good wcs system because it was more like a one event thing. It basically was like WCG, which in itself is a great concept ofc but not enough to sustain the foreigner scene i think.
I think having actual tournaments again which run for some time, with group stages, etc like wcs 2014 is the way to go. Completely region locked and more effort put into building star players through extra content (like the videos we got this blizzcon)
Weekend tournaments could still exist in that system and maybe you wanna region lock some of them, personally i would prefer completely open but if there are a good number of "global" ones that would be ok too.

I am not saying it would work RIGHT NOW that way, but it would have been a decent system a few years ago i think.


On November 06 2016 01:01 opisska wrote:
Viper, you need to stop blabbering about the WCS system and post a passion thing for today instead


Sorry not gonna happen today, i figured that i would need to continue with my winners (Dark, Elazer, TY and Zest) and that would be kinda meh after 2 of them aren't in the tournament anymore. Was just a day one thing
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:08:06
November 05 2016 16:06 GMT
#4024
On November 06 2016 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 00:46 Poopi wrote:
Who is good at managing their esports scene tho?

Well Valve and Riot are surely better than Blizzard and because these three are the only important ones atm i would say Valve and Riot are "good" in this context. Everybody makes mistakes and you will always have some factors you aren't happy with.
.

Valve literally just fucked over one of their biggest third party tournaments by scheduling their 'Major' at the same time as dreamhacks Dreamleague
Neosteel Enthusiast
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 05 2016 16:08 GMT
#4025
On November 06 2016 01:03 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote:
the international is everything but random

That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed?
I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible.

what do you mean ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
November 05 2016 16:08 GMT
#4026
On November 06 2016 01:08 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:03 Poopi wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote:
the international is everything but random

That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed?
I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible.

what do you mean ?

That TI winners are different each and every year.
WriterMaru
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:10:50
November 05 2016 16:10 GMT
#4027
On November 06 2016 01:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 00:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 06 2016 00:46 Poopi wrote:
Who is good at managing their esports scene tho?

Well Valve and Riot are surely better than Blizzard and because these three are the only important ones atm i would say Valve and Riot are "good" in this context. Everybody makes mistakes and you will always have some factors you aren't happy with.
.

Valve literally just fucked over one of their biggest third party tournaments by scheduling their 'Major' at the same time as dreamhacks Dreamleague



Sure, as i said there are always problems, nothing is ever perfect. But looking at the bigger picture Valve and even Riot (i hate RIOT btw) do a better job and show more expertise at handling their scenes.
But yeah bad topic for this thread, sry to bring up the low viewer numbers i guess. Hoping for at least 70k today

IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
November 05 2016 16:11 GMT
#4028
On November 06 2016 01:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Sure, as i said there are always problems, nothing is ever perfect. But looking at the bigger picture Valve and even Riot (i hate RIOT btw) do a better job and show more expertise at handling their scenes.
But yeah bad topic for this thread, sry to bring up the low viewer numbers i guess. Hoping for at least 70k today

I dunno LoL ratio of viewers/post on reddit/TL is really really bad compared to starcraft.
It's possible to double post on LL even after watching a 30mn game, so absurd.
WriterMaru
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 05 2016 16:12 GMT
#4029
On November 06 2016 01:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:01 opisska wrote:
Viper, you need to stop blabbering about the WCS system and post a passion thing for today instead


Sorry not gonna happen today, i figured that i would need to continue with my winners (Dark, Elazer, TY and Zest) and that would be kinda meh after 2 of them aren't in the tournament anymore. Was just a day one thing


But there was so much foreshadowing! You are literarly firefly at this point.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:13:40
November 05 2016 16:13 GMT
#4030
On November 06 2016 01:08 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:08 Makro wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:03 Poopi wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote:
the international is everything but random

That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed?
I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible.

what do you mean ?

That TI winners are different each and every year.

yea but that doesn't mean the game is not well managed, some oustanding players break out each year

that was the case for this year
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:15:22
November 05 2016 16:13 GMT
#4031
On November 06 2016 00:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
The idea of wcs also was to get "good" viewer numbers because people can cheer for the foreigners. It apparently did not work all that well because at the end of the day people wanna see fan favorites and the average foreigner simply isn't a fan favorite at all in the current scene.

Right now we have 55k for blizzcon which is a bad joke tbh. Last year it was over 80k for the quarterfinals.
The current WCS system helped foreigners to get better, i won't deny that. But it didn't work at all regarding viewer numbers, it's a big failure in that regard and yes i think that's absolutely partly due to how it all worked this year.

And last year there was no overwatch
On November 06 2016 01:11 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Sure, as i said there are always problems, nothing is ever perfect. But looking at the bigger picture Valve and even Riot (i hate RIOT btw) do a better job and show more expertise at handling their scenes.
But yeah bad topic for this thread, sry to bring up the low viewer numbers i guess. Hoping for at least 70k today

I dunno LoL ratio of viewers/post on reddit/TL is really really bad compared to starcraft.
It's possible to double post on LL even after watching a 30mn game, so absurd.

Because LL isn't a very active site and whatever activity it has left is in Discord. Reddit killed community sites.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 05 2016 16:22 GMT
#4032
I wonder how many potential Blizzcon viewers the matchfixing scandals - and specifically losing Life - cost the scene.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
November 05 2016 16:24 GMT
#4033
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 05 2016 16:24 GMT
#4034
On November 06 2016 01:24 Barrin wrote:
Are the grand finals today right after the semis? Or tomorrow?

Today.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
November 05 2016 16:26 GMT
#4035
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:30:31
November 05 2016 16:29 GMT
#4036
On November 06 2016 01:12 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:01 opisska wrote:
Viper, you need to stop blabbering about the WCS system and post a passion thing for today instead


Sorry not gonna happen today, i figured that i would need to continue with my winners (Dark, Elazer, TY and Zest) and that would be kinda meh after 2 of them aren't in the tournament anymore. Was just a day one thing


But there was so much foreshadowing! You are literarly firefly at this point.

I actually had a basic idea of what would happen today if i would have had the passion to continue. But at the same time most "foreshadowing" you saw is probably not intended at all (if you are being serious )
Still, was fun to write yesterday even though i had to be lazy with Zest vs Stats out of time reasons :/


On November 06 2016 01:22 Elentos wrote:
I wonder how many potential Blizzcon viewers the matchfixing scandals - and specifically losing Life - cost the scene.


I would guess that it wasn't the biggest deal tbh. Was Life a big fan favorite for more casual viewers? Dunno about that.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
November 05 2016 16:33 GMT
#4037
Oh I'm gonna need to get TL+ to run the PASSIONBOARD now since the thread is over 100 pages. I'll update when I finish breakfast.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:40:07
November 05 2016 16:39 GMT
#4038
On November 06 2016 01:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:22 Elentos wrote:
I wonder how many potential Blizzcon viewers the matchfixing scandals - and specifically losing Life - cost the scene.


I would guess that it wasn't the biggest deal tbh. Was Life a big fan favorite for more casual viewers? Dunno about that.

I wasn't really talking about casual viewers. If you're losing casual viewership the problem is the game and how it's being presented to the audience (but we don't even have concrete evidence if we're losing casual viewers or people who used to be regular viewers). But Life was undeniably a big fan favorite. He appeared in many non-Korean tournaments, he actually displayed more personality than many of the other "faceless Koreans", he even made 2 Blizzcon finals. He was one of the guys casual fans might have actually seen play during the year before Blizzcon. It definitely hurt.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 05 2016 16:47 GMT
#4039
On November 06 2016 01:08 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 01:08 Makro wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:03 Poopi wrote:
On November 06 2016 01:00 Makro wrote:
the international is everything but random

That's probably why the winners are completely uniformly distributed?
I highly doubt there is the same squad under two different teams but it might be possible.

what do you mean ?

That TI winners are different each and every year.


Na'vi?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 16:51:45
November 05 2016 16:51 GMT
#4040
i just saw Elazer vs ShoWTimE and it was amazingly played by Elazer. G1 and G2 were great :D
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
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