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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On November 05 2016 23:58 treeroy wrote: Where can I find the vod for the Zest quarter final match? I need to catch up with last night's game within the next few hours! https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft/v/98981570 all games including shoutcraft on that link | ||
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treeroy
2 Posts
On November 05 2016 23:59 Sif_ wrote: https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft/v/98981570 all games including shoutcraft on that link thanks mate, I've been watching it on the blizzard website and they are slow to upload the vods. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
 edit: apparently it was 55k | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
But hey WCS worked guys  | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah kinda depressing tbh, at least at Blizzcon i thought we will get huge stream numbers and a big crowd (i guess it still was big, but you know what i mean) But hey WCS worked guys Problem ain't WCS that much, more like that people prefer flavor of the month casual MOBA/moba fps games rather than RTS which has been niche for quite a long time now. The stream numbers have been decent for sc2. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
I really hope he doesn't retire anytime soon, despite his health issues. If I ever get to that age, I hope I'll love games as much as he does. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:20 Poopi wrote: Problem ain't WCS that much, more like that people prefer flavor of the month casual MOBA/moba fps games rather than RTS which has been niche for quite a long time now. The stream numbers have been decent for sc2. no, it's WCS, Apollo even flew to Korea and discontinued Proleague | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Right now we have 55k for blizzcon which is a bad joke tbh. Last year it was over 80k for the quarterfinals. The current WCS system helped foreigners to get better, i won't deny that. But it didn't work at all regarding viewer numbers, it's a big failure in that regard and yes i think that's absolutely partly due to how it all worked this year. | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: The idea of wcs also was to get "good" viewer numbers because people can cheer for the foreigners. It apparently did not work all that well because at the end of the day people wanna see fan favorites and the average foreigner simply isn't a fan favorite at all in the current scene. Right now we have 55k for blizzcon which is a bad joke tbh. Last year it was over 80k for the quarterfinals. The current WCS system helped foreigners to get better, i won't deny that. But it didn't work at all regarding viewer numbers, it's a big failure in that regard and yes i think that's absolutely partly due to how it all worked this year. Maybe it would have been even worse without the new WCS system? Like 30k or idk. Hard to know for sure but the fact that it's 55k against 80k for last year doesn't allow us to deduce if it really worked or not. Since between last Blizzcon and this one, there has been Overwatch, it's possible viewers numbers dropped even harder because of that. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:22 Ej_ wrote: no, it's WCS, Apollo even flew to Korea and discontinued Proleague clearly i just filled a letter to the international court in order to catch apollo once for all, he must PAY for his crimes | ||
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Parser
Italy88 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: The idea of wcs also was to get "good" viewer numbers because people can cheer for the foreigners. It apparently did not work all that well because at the end of the day people wanna see fan favorites and the average foreigner simply isn't a fan favorite at all in the current scene. Right now we have 55k for blizzcon which is a bad joke tbh. Last year it was over 80k for the quarterfinals. The current WCS system helped foreigners to get better, i won't deny that. But it didn't work at all regarding viewer numbers, it's a big failure in that regard and yes i think that's absolutely partly due to how it all worked this year. I do not think WCS system does affect viewers number. The point is that the game is 6 years old, it is not free to play so there is not a flux of new players/viewers. In this situation every year numbers will be worse. So I would not blame WCS for viewers number but i would praise it for raising foreigners level. In my opinion this is a plain success. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:37 Poopi wrote: Maybe it would have been even worse without the new WCS system? Like 30k or idk. Hard to know for sure but the fact that it's 55k against 80k for last year doesn't allow us to deduce if it really worked or not. Since between last Blizzcon and this one, there has been Overwatch, it's possible viewers numbers dropped even harder because of that. Ok i will repeat what i always say: These kind of things have multiple reasons ofc, no i don't want to blame WCS for everything saying that there are no other factors. That is not my intent and everybody who does so is an idiot. Still, the new WCS system made sure that there is less sc2 to watch, less diverse sc2. I absolutely believe that pushing foreigners as a basic idea is great. But it simply doesn't work years and years in the lifetime of the game. You have to build superstars from the get go, not have the scene understand that koreans are better for a few years and then try to do it the LCS way. That's ridiculous. Blizzard is simply way too late with their decisions as always. Their OW league right now is something sc2 would have needed (even though funnily enough the current iteration of that league seems to be meh as well, the OW scene at least complains; Blizzard is bad at managing their esports scenes) | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 00:46 Poopi wrote: Who is good at managing their esports scene tho? Well Valve and Riot are surely better than Blizzard and because these three are the only important ones atm i would say Valve and Riot are "good" in this context. Everybody makes mistakes and you will always have some factors you aren't happy with. But yeah all things considered Blizzard is horrible at it and the new OW thing seems to prove that as well. Watch this: The problem seems to be that in the last year teams already formed and they apparently need to split up because of it. Teams also had no information at all beforehand, etc. Sounds familiar right? I mean the "good" parts in this league seem to be excellent (salary, stability, etc) but knowing blizzard they will fuck this up somehow. Pushing OW that hard also is ridiculous imo, but that is another topic. | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
A bunch of LCS / World matches are really boring / useless so I wouldn't call the riot model a really successful one, especially with how much NA players make from streaming. Most NA teams seem perfectly happy being overhyped yet bad. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
That said, you definitely can't compare 2012 to 2016. Back then, we had multiple big companies running regular tournaments, right now, there's nothing much left. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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