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loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
October 28 2016 19:07 GMT
#1301
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
October 28 2016 19:07 GMT
#1302
On October 29 2016 04:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:03 Yiome wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:02 Elentos wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:00 Elentos wrote:
On October 29 2016 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 29 2016 03:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I'm still playing HotS. I just find all Terran matchups in HotS to be so much more fun than their LotV counterparts.

even tvp?

He doesn't have to deal with adepts, he's got one thing going for him.

And no super warp prism pickup range either.

Honestly most of the time that's not so bad. With DTs it's the absolute worst. But you can still counter prisms with cyclones and well positioned marines and such.

Nerf health/shield not the pick up range would be nice
A good nerf should never be about removing the strength of a unit, but highlight its weakness


Nerfing health/shield weakens the warp prism but also makes it much more coin-flippy (everything just hinges on whether it gets sniped or not).

^^

WP in HotS I believe has the same shield/hp as in LotV. What made it so much stronger is the pickup range and.... maybe there's a speed buff too, I forget.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
October 28 2016 19:07 GMT
#1303
On October 29 2016 04:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:04 Probe1 wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:03 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Also I've gotten used to reading protoss builds from a little scouting info in HotS

Timings are so different in LotV that I simply have no idea what to look for, or how to interpret what I see.

not gonna lie most things in lotv I'm just looking for confirmation of what I already know they're gonna do before the game starts

So how do you mindread them?

I dunno, after a while you get this weird feeling for ladder. Like, the other day I was playing a TvP and I was gonna do a 1-1-1 on New Gettysburg. On that map, you can wall the bridge with 1 depot and then get the buildings on the low ground next to it to make the push faster. But as I started doing that, I had this feeling like "This guy might actually try to proxy gate me" and sure as shit there were 3 gates at my 3rd.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 28 2016 19:08 GMT
#1304
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

that's indeed the case for a lot of people

that's the nature of starcraft
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
October 28 2016 19:08 GMT
#1305
On October 29 2016 04:05 Ej_ wrote:
honestly when they actually explain it step by step, WCS format sounds like an anime tournament

We're all just trying to live the anime dream.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 28 2016 19:08 GMT
#1306
On October 29 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:04 Probe1 wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:03 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Also I've gotten used to reading protoss builds from a little scouting info in HotS

Timings are so different in LotV that I simply have no idea what to look for, or how to interpret what I see.

not gonna lie most things in lotv I'm just looking for confirmation of what I already know they're gonna do before the game starts

So how do you mindread them?

I dunno, after a while you get this weird feeling for ladder. Like, the other day I was playing a TvP and I was gonna do a 1-1-1 on New Gettysburg. On that map, you can wall the bridge with 1 depot and then get the buildings on the low ground next to it to make the push faster. But as I started doing that, I had this feeling like "This guy might actually try to proxy gate me" and sure as shit there were 3 gates at my 3rd.


So... mindreading.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 28 2016 19:09 GMT
#1307
On October 29 2016 04:08 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

that's indeed the case for a lot of people

that's the nature of starcraft

but if you still like the game and think you reached your "low investment ceiling" (for lack of a better way to phrase it) you should still play to have fun
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1308
On October 29 2016 04:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:04 Probe1 wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:03 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Also I've gotten used to reading protoss builds from a little scouting info in HotS

Timings are so different in LotV that I simply have no idea what to look for, or how to interpret what I see.

not gonna lie most things in lotv I'm just looking for confirmation of what I already know they're gonna do before the game starts

So how do you mindread them?

I dunno, after a while you get this weird feeling for ladder. Like, the other day I was playing a TvP and I was gonna do a 1-1-1 on New Gettysburg. On that map, you can wall the bridge with 1 depot and then get the buildings on the low ground next to it to make the push faster. But as I started doing that, I had this feeling like "This guy might actually try to proxy gate me" and sure as shit there were 3 gates at my 3rd.


So... mindreading.

It's more like precognition. Mindreading is easier when you know where they are, but when you're playing someone who could just be anywhere in Europe right now, precognition is more useful.

Also some people's minds are in languages I don't understand.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1309
On October 29 2016 04:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:08 Makro wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

that's indeed the case for a lot of people

that's the nature of starcraft

but if you still like the game and think you reached your "low investment ceiling" (for lack of a better way to phrase it) you should still play to have fun

That's exactly what I do.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17178 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 19:10:55
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1310
On October 29 2016 04:02 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:01 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 29 2016 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 29 2016 03:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I'm still playing HotS. I just find all Terran matchups in HotS to be so much more fun than their LotV counterparts.

even tvp?

Ofc.

No adepts, no super warp prisms.

I rather play against adepts than against collossus turtle every game

i beat diamond protoss players in lotv tvp while my TvT is plat at best so cant coplain

i just love the 1-1-1 ... i'm old and slow, my micro is crap and i can't multitask.
only mining from 1 base with so few units on the board i look like boxer with SjoW level banshee micro.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1311
LOL that video, Wolf and Valdes making cameo appearance
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1312
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

I'd like to be dedicated but my hands don't so I'm jelly to see countrymen stopping just as it gets interesting x).
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1313
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

you can have fun playing starcraft without trying to improve. I don't have a lot of time to practice too atm but I still enjoy playing the game.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 28 2016 19:10 GMT
#1314
On October 29 2016 04:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:08 Makro wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

that's indeed the case for a lot of people

that's the nature of starcraft

but if you still like the game and think you reached your "low investment ceiling" (for lack of a better way to phrase it) you should still play to have fun

of course, but somewhat you can be frustrated with your own play and it can make you quite the game
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-28 19:12:49
October 28 2016 19:11 GMT
#1315
On October 29 2016 04:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:09 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:08 Makro wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:07 loginn wrote:
I still like the game. But I don't like playing it that much. I feel like I reached the point where I need real dedication to make progress. (master 1 for me) and I don't feel like spending that much time playing sc2 anymore

that's indeed the case for a lot of people

that's the nature of starcraft

but if you still like the game and think you reached your "low investment ceiling" (for lack of a better way to phrase it) you should still play to have fun

That's exactly what I do.

it's a bit different for me, I genuinely enjoyed LotV less and less because of various things (adepts, disruptors, liberators, lurkers, the way P has to be played if you want to achieve good results) so I ended up not playing at all anymore. But after two months with like 2 games played I feel like I can find some fun playing the game again, I had a great time this morning although I lost all the games I played.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 28 2016 19:11 GMT
#1316
After much anaysis I can confirm Nerchio is capable of winning against top Terrans when they throw games at him But in all seriousness Nerchio is the best foreign Zerg especially at ZvT. I don't think anyone but Dark could have beaten TY right now.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 28 2016 19:12 GMT
#1317
Solar's start in LotV was insane, he looked so strong
Neosteel Enthusiast
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
October 28 2016 19:12 GMT
#1318
On October 29 2016 04:11 Fango wrote:
After much anaysis I can confirm Nerchio is capable of winning against top Terrans when they throw games at him But in all seriousness Nerchio is the best foreign Zerg especially at ZvT. I don't think anyone but Dark could have beaten TY right now.

Definitely no Korean Zerg.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 28 2016 19:13 GMT
#1319
On October 29 2016 04:04 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 04:04 Probe1 wrote:
On October 29 2016 04:03 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Also I've gotten used to reading protoss builds from a little scouting info in HotS

Timings are so different in LotV that I simply have no idea what to look for, or how to interpret what I see.

not gonna lie most things in lotv I'm just looking for confirmation of what I already know they're gonna do before the game starts

So how do you mindread them?

People use the same small pool of builds every game.

I actually got shit stomped in a ZvT last week by a guy using the same build as TY in G1 with hellion banshee. I straight up tilted that I was beaten so badly because I didn't scout the banshee and assumed it was a hellbat 2-1-1 variation.

The other 90% of ZvTs though I know what they're gonna do before the game loads.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 28 2016 19:13 GMT
#1320
Solar vs Elazer worse than ByuN vs viOLet or am I giving Elazer too little credit ?
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