On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote: is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?
problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote: is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?
problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying
templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back
i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote: is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?
problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying
templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back
i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well
The ghost vs templar micro doesn't really exist anymore with the new snipe
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote: is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?
Yes and it is still unbeatable
Unless your attention span lasts more than one game and you remember the previous one when it got beaten?
The game is not about "OP units" but maintaining bases.
he never had a lategame army in previous games~ on orbital he hardly had any voidrays (and if you have money you can go into carriers which are even stronger>>>)
stop trying to bait a balance argument, zergs at all levels right now agree that aggression is the better way to play and lategame is very difficult. that's not the same as saying the matchup is imba
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ramiz1989 wrote: Don't really know why Dark isn't using Vipers/Infestors against this and relies solely on Corruptors while he isn't even targeting anything with them... They have low DPS, you have to focus fire Mothership/Void Rays with them for them to be able to do anything.
feedback exists
That means that he has to be with HTs in front of Mothership for him to be able to Feedback Vipers which isn't always possible nor good, they can be sniped by 11 range Brood Lords.
Feedback existed since WoL and I didn't see that stopping Zergs from using Vipers in the late game, they are still one of the best support units that Zerg has.
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote: is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?
problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying
templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back
i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well
The ghost vs templar micro doesn't really exist anymore with the new snipe
well i dont play tvp so i dunno, but of course i meant hots ghost vs templar (which was rare enough because of terran not really going for ghosts)
i feel like you could make a bell curve out of the amount of balance/design discussion that happens in a grand finals series and it would peak a little bit after the halfway point of the series
EPT
