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ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
April 09 2016 11:10 GMT
#541
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?


problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
April 09 2016 11:11 GMT
#542
mike oldfield :O
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
April 09 2016 11:11 GMT
#543
On April 09 2016 20:10 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:09 EatingBomber wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

we're in reverse WoL, Zerg either wins with an all-in or loses the game

lolololololol

that's what ZvP is like, but I know it might be hard to comprehend

lol. sick passive-aggression there. keep pretending zvp isn't zerg favoured
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#544
blue stahli is well liked in korea it seems
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#545
On April 09 2016 20:10 ImDrizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?


problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying

templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back

i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#546
On April 09 2016 20:08 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

Yes and it is still unbeatable


Unless your attention span lasts more than one game and you remember the previous one when it got beaten?

The game is not about "OP units" but maintaining bases.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#547
On April 09 2016 20:11 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:10 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:09 EatingBomber wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

we're in reverse WoL, Zerg either wins with an all-in or loses the game

lolololololol

that's what ZvP is like, but I know it might be hard to comprehend

lol. sick passive-aggression there. keep pretending zvp isn't zerg favoured

Koreans have figured out lurkers. Most of the wins for Zerg come on the back of something highly aggressive nowadays.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 09 2016 11:12 GMT
#548
On April 09 2016 20:11 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:10 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:09 EatingBomber wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

we're in reverse WoL, Zerg either wins with an all-in or loses the game

lolololololol

that's what ZvP is like, but I know it might be hard to comprehend

lol. sick passive-aggression there. keep pretending zvp isn't zerg favoured

it is, because of the all-ins
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13321 Posts
April 09 2016 11:13 GMT
#549
On April 09 2016 20:12 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:10 ImDrizzt wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?


problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying

templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back

i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well

The ghost vs templar micro doesn't really exist anymore with the new snipe
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
April 09 2016 11:13 GMT
#550
Remember Dark has like a 90% winrate or something on this map.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2389 Posts
April 09 2016 11:13 GMT
#551
On April 09 2016 20:12 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:08 Nerchio wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

Yes and it is still unbeatable


Unless your attention span lasts more than one game and you remember the previous one when it got beaten?

The game is not about "OP units" but maintaining bases.

he never had a lategame army in previous games~ on orbital he hardly had any voidrays (and if you have money you can go into carriers which are even stronger>>>)
Progamer
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 09 2016 11:13 GMT
#552
On April 09 2016 20:11 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:10 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:09 EatingBomber wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ej_ wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

we're in reverse WoL, Zerg either wins with an all-in or loses the game

lolololololol

that's what ZvP is like, but I know it might be hard to comprehend

lol. sick passive-aggression there. keep pretending zvp isn't zerg favoured

stop trying to bait a balance argument, zergs at all levels right now agree that aggression is the better way to play and lategame is very difficult. that's not the same as saying the matchup is imba
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 09 2016 11:14 GMT
#553
On April 09 2016 20:12 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:08 Nerchio wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?

Yes and it is still unbeatable


Unless your attention span lasts more than one game and you remember the previous one when it got beaten?

The game is not about "OP units" but maintaining bases.

On Orbital Stats was way too far behind, especially because he kept losing his 4th base. His army wasn't where it needed to be.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
April 09 2016 11:14 GMT
#554
Stats took off his jaack, we serious bois
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 09 2016 11:14 GMT
#555
On April 09 2016 20:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:08 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Don't really know why Dark isn't using Vipers/Infestors against this and relies solely on Corruptors while he isn't even targeting anything with them... They have low DPS, you have to focus fire Mothership/Void Rays with them for them to be able to do anything.

feedback exists

That means that he has to be with HTs in front of Mothership for him to be able to Feedback Vipers which isn't always possible nor good, they can be sniped by 11 range Brood Lords.

Feedback existed since WoL and I didn't see that stopping Zergs from using Vipers in the late game, they are still one of the best support units that Zerg has.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 09 2016 11:14 GMT
#556
On April 09 2016 20:13 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 20:12 brickrd wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:10 ImDrizzt wrote:
On April 09 2016 20:06 brickrd wrote:
is it safe to say at this point that lategame pvz army is exactly the same as it was in hots?


problem is the High temps, Zerg can't spend tons of gas on infestors or vipers, cos 1 high temp can kill 4 of them with enough energy, so Zerg just melts if they go into late game semi equal. So most zergs does a chees, all in, or big all in timing mid game, to get ahead or win, a bit annoying

templar have been so amazing in pvz ever since the swarm host nerf... swarm host era was awful but one thing they absolutely did was zone out templars really well and force toss to pull them back

i wish we could have something more like ghost vs templar micro for infestor vs templar... oh well

The ghost vs templar micro doesn't really exist anymore with the new snipe

well i dont play tvp so i dunno, but of course i meant hots ghost vs templar (which was rare enough because of terran not really going for ghosts)
TL+ Member
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
April 09 2016 11:14 GMT
#557
Is it my system or is the stream music really loud and casters low? o.O
#1 Blitzcrank #Forever platinum toss --> current diamond Terran <3
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13321 Posts
April 09 2016 11:15 GMT
#558
Do you know only one build Dark ? :/
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 09 2016 11:15 GMT
#559
i feel like you could make a bell curve out of the amount of balance/design discussion that happens in a grand finals series and it would peak a little bit after the halfway point of the series
TL+ Member
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
April 09 2016 11:15 GMT
#560
Stats could have done so much with that attack...
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