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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 23 2016 17:30 GMT
#781
On January 24 2016 02:28 Makro wrote:
btw finally a dutch at the last stage of a huge tournament, that's nice

That hasn't happened since NASL 3.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
January 23 2016 17:30 GMT
#782
On January 24 2016 02:27 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:21 Strela wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.

I like your argumentation skills.

Any good kespa terran could have as good micro as uThermal, they just believe it's better to put an emphasis on macro and base management. If they all allocated their attention like uThermal, then they would have better micro than him.

So basically uThermal is Happy with better macro.


Btw did Happy retire?

He really had some of the sickest micro moments in SC2.


LOL, back when a few marines could actually touch an ultralisk.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
January 23 2016 17:31 GMT
#783
On January 24 2016 02:30 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:27 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:21 Strela wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.

I like your argumentation skills.

Any good kespa terran could have as good micro as uThermal, they just believe it's better to put an emphasis on macro and base management. If they all allocated their attention like uThermal, then they would have better micro than him.

Any good kespa terran does have as good micro as uthermal while attacking in multiple locations and macroing well behind it.


Unless you're Bomber and push from the front onto creep and fail to split.


At the very end he started splitting, I never felt so betrayed,

The adepts got him for you.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 23 2016 17:31 GMT
#784
On January 24 2016 02:30 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:28 Makro wrote:
btw finally a dutch at the last stage of a huge tournament, that's nice

That hasn't happened since NASL 3.

time flies
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
January 23 2016 17:33 GMT
#785
On January 24 2016 02:31 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:30 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:28 Makro wrote:
btw finally a dutch at the last stage of a huge tournament, that's nice

That hasn't happened since NASL 3.

time flies

Grubby was in a WCS semis in 2013
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 23 2016 17:33 GMT
#786
It's swagThermal's time to shine. Kill drogo and we'll have a glorious TvZ finals

+ Show Spoiler +
remove tankivacs still
rip passion
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
January 23 2016 17:33 GMT
#787
On January 24 2016 02:31 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:30 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:28 Makro wrote:
btw finally a dutch at the last stage of a huge tournament, that's nice

That hasn't happened since NASL 3.

time flies

Hmm, I seem to remember Grubby doing well after that, an IEM in China or so?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MaCRo.gg
Profile Joined June 2015
Korea (South)860 Posts
January 23 2016 17:33 GMT
#788
Hilarious how LR thinks top half of the bracket even matters. The Korean ZvZ winner is going to win regardless.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 23 2016 17:33 GMT
#789
On January 24 2016 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:27 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:21 Strela wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.

I like your argumentation skills.

Any good kespa terran could have as good micro as uThermal, they just believe it's better to put an emphasis on macro and base management. If they all allocated their attention like uThermal, then they would have better micro than him.

Any good kespa terran does have as good micro as uthermal while attacking in multiple locations and macroing well behind it.


Unless you're Bomber and push from the front onto creep and fail to split.

Well bomber has so many marines that splitting would just be a waste of apm. For real though, when bomber is on his game his splitting is immaculate and his macro is perfect behind it. He sometimes plays a pure bio style vs zerg that is entirely dependent on his micro.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
January 23 2016 17:34 GMT
#790
On January 24 2016 02:33 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:27 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:21 Strela wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.

I like your argumentation skills.

Any good kespa terran could have as good micro as uThermal, they just believe it's better to put an emphasis on macro and base management. If they all allocated their attention like uThermal, then they would have better micro than him.

Any good kespa terran does have as good micro as uthermal while attacking in multiple locations and macroing well behind it.


Unless you're Bomber and push from the front onto creep and fail to split.

Well bomber has so many marines that splitting would just be a waste of apm. For real though, when bomber is on his game his splitting is immaculate and his macro is perfect behind it. He sometimes plays a pure bio style vs zerg that is entirely dependent on his micro.

Bomber doesn't really split, he just preposiions really well in a good concave with marauders in front and splits minimally.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 17:35:03
January 23 2016 17:34 GMT
#791
On January 24 2016 02:23 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players (that I can think of) with better unit control than him. Arguably he is on par with Innovation in terms of controlling units. But Innovation has top base management and uThermal has diamond level.



Yeah uThermal for sure has better unit control than Maru!

+ Show Spoiler +
for a second I thought I was getting swag_bro'd


No I forgot about Maru (obviously I wouldn't have Inno on the list and not Maru). I edited my post a while ago.

So you have Maru and Ty with obvious better unit control than uThermal. Not sure about Byun and Innovation. They might be on par with Uthermal on that regard. (Ty is the best in the world by a good margin).
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 23 2016 17:35 GMT
#792
On January 24 2016 02:33 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:31 Makro wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:30 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:28 Makro wrote:
btw finally a dutch at the last stage of a huge tournament, that's nice

That hasn't happened since NASL 3.

time flies

Hmm, I seem to remember Grubby doing well after that, an IEM in China or so?

You're probably right. I forgot about grubby since he's not on aligulac anymore. I think he also did pretty well in a wcs season.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
January 23 2016 17:35 GMT
#793
On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.


If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
Show nested quote +

LOL WTF?!

Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.


I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S.


The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
January 23 2016 17:36 GMT
#794
On January 24 2016 02:33 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:29 Inflicted wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:27 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:21 Strela wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.

I like your argumentation skills.

Any good kespa terran could have as good micro as uThermal, they just believe it's better to put an emphasis on macro and base management. If they all allocated their attention like uThermal, then they would have better micro than him.

Any good kespa terran does have as good micro as uthermal while attacking in multiple locations and macroing well behind it.


Unless you're Bomber and push from the front onto creep and fail to split.

Well bomber has so many marines that splitting would just be a waste of apm. For real though, when bomber is on his game his splitting is immaculate and his macro is perfect behind it. He sometimes plays a pure bio style vs zerg that is entirely dependent on his micro.

True, Bomber has sick micro when he cares. He just sometimes forgets to use it.

As for unit control... Maru, Dream, GuMiho, Polt, uThermal doesn't have better micro than any of those.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Longduzboub
Profile Joined June 2013
40 Posts
January 23 2016 17:36 GMT
#795
On January 24 2016 02:34 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:23 DJHelium wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players (that I can think of) with better unit control than him. Arguably he is on par with Innovation in terms of controlling units. But Innovation has top base management and uThermal has diamond level.



Yeah uThermal for sure has better unit control than Maru!

+ Show Spoiler +
for a second I thought I was getting swag_bro'd


No I forgot about Maru (obviously I wouldn't have Inno on the list and not Maru). I edited my post a while ago.

So you have Maru and Ty with obvious better unit control than uThermal. Not sure about Byun and Innovation. They might be on par with Uthermal on that regard. (Ty is the best in the world by a good margin).

What about Avilo
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
January 23 2016 17:37 GMT
#796
i haven't really been following pro sc2 much lately, and especially not LR threads. i'm so confused right now. why is everybody talking about actual starcraft games??? what happened to the LR culture?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
January 23 2016 17:38 GMT
#797
On January 24 2016 02:37 Schelim wrote:
i haven't really been following pro sc2 much lately, and especially not LR threads. i'm so confused right now. why is everybody talking about actual starcraft games??? what happened to the LR culture?

There's no personality left in this tournament to talk about
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 17:43:13
January 23 2016 17:38 GMT
#798
On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him


LOL. Okay.


If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.

LOL WTF?!

Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.


I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S.


The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that.


No I think you don't understand the point. Because the solution to adressing his base management issues are actually not APM intensive.

They are - somewhat - easily adressable with a little shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. He would still be the foreign terran with the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. And making sure you have proper saturation doesn't take very long time for someone using camera hotkeys. The same thing comes to securing expansations at proper times.

WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
January 23 2016 17:38 GMT
#799
Dreamhack ad featuring the Koreans they banned... Ironic...
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 23 2016 17:38 GMT
#800
On January 24 2016 02:36 Longduzboub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 02:34 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:23 DJHelium wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:
On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player.

lol, nope


Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players (that I can think of) with better unit control than him. Arguably he is on par with Innovation in terms of controlling units. But Innovation has top base management and uThermal has diamond level.



Yeah uThermal for sure has better unit control than Maru!

+ Show Spoiler +
for a second I thought I was getting swag_bro'd


No I forgot about Maru (obviously I wouldn't have Inno on the list and not Maru). I edited my post a while ago.

So you have Maru and Ty with obvious better unit control than uThermal. Not sure about Byun and Innovation. They might be on par with Uthermal on that regard. (Ty is the best in the world by a good margin).

What about Avilo

Best base management. If he works on his unit control he can be a real contender :p
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
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