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On January 24 2016 02:38 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player. lol, nope Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him LOL. Okay. If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
LOL WTF?!
Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.
I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S. The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that. No I think you don't understand the point. Because his actual issues are not that APM intensive. They are easily adressable with a marginal shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. Like he would still be the terran with by far the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player.
Oh and now he's the Terran with BY FAR THE BEST UNIT CONTROL. Rofl.
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On January 24 2016 02:37 Schelim wrote:
i haven't really been following pro sc2 much lately, and especially not LR threads. i'm so confused right now. why is everybody talking about actual starcraft games??? what happened to the LR culture?
This is the beginning of the Arrow. Just come in and start banning ppl and yell You have failed this LR.
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On January 24 2016 02:29 Hider wrote:Not really. Happy just refuses to build scvs constantly. Uthermal on the other hand has much better worker macro, but horrendous saturation. Like in macro games you would constantly see him with 20+ workers on one base and 10 workers on another. The lack of camera hotkeys is a big reason for this. It's not even that much of a mechanical issue (because it's easy to adress if you focus on it). Further, he builds and lifts command centers way way too late (when there is no strategic reason for it). This hurts his income rate and he needs to compensate with it in terms of unit control.
Wait, did camera keys get patched out or is it just that he doesn't use them?
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On January 24 2016 02:39 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:37 Schelim wrote:
i haven't really been following pro sc2 much lately, and especially not LR threads. i'm so confused right now. why is everybody talking about actual starcraft games??? what happened to the LR culture? This is the beginning of the Arrow. Just come in and start banning ppl and yell You have failed this LR.
i'll be completely honest. i have absolutely no idea what you just said.
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France12946 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:38 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player. lol, nope Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him LOL. Okay. If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
LOL WTF?!
Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.
I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S. The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that. No I think you don't understand the point. Because his actual issues are not that APM intensive. They are easily adressable with a marginal shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. Like he would still be the terran with by far the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player.
Problem is using camera hotkeys when you don't is not that easy because a) going out of your comfort zone at high level is very hard to do b) your mechanics will be messed up for a while.
How would you know how fast and accurate he is compared to other terrans since they don't stream
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On January 24 2016 02:40 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:39 stuchiu wrote:On January 24 2016 02:37 Schelim wrote:
i haven't really been following pro sc2 much lately, and especially not LR threads. i'm so confused right now. why is everybody talking about actual starcraft games??? what happened to the LR culture? This is the beginning of the Arrow. Just come in and start banning ppl and yell You have failed this LR. i'll be completely honest. i have absolutely no idea what you just said.
Watch The Flash. You don't know you're missing.
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On January 24 2016 02:38 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player. lol, nope Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him LOL. Okay. If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
LOL WTF?!
Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.
I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S. The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that. No I think you don't understand the point. Because the solution to adressing his base management issues are actually not APM intensive. They are - somewhat - easily adressable with a little shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. He would still be the terran with the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. And making sure you have proper saturation doesn't take very long time for someone using camera hotkeys. The same thing comes to securing expansations at proper times. WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player.
How do you know his hotkey setup?
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On January 24 2016 02:39 Grizvok wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:38 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player. lol, nope Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him LOL. Okay. If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
LOL WTF?!
Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.
I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S. The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that. No I think you don't understand the point. Because his actual issues are not that APM intensive. They are easily adressable with a marginal shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. Like he would still be the terran with by far the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player. Oh and now he's the Terran with BY FAR THE BEST UNIT CONTROL. Rofl.
*Foreigner. my bad.
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On January 24 2016 02:34 Hider wrote:
Ty is the best in the world by a good margin.
Eh. TY has the best multitasking out of any Terran and maybe the best positioning, but in pure control, I don't think he's ahead of Dream and Maru. And if he is, it's not a lot.
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On January 24 2016 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:38 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:35 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:27 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:20 Grizvok wrote:On January 24 2016 02:19 Hider wrote:On January 24 2016 02:18 Longduzboub wrote:On January 24 2016 02:17 Hider wrote:
Uthermal could be a worldclass player if he fixed his basemanagement issues. His unit control is by far the best of any foreign terran player. lol, nope Besides Ty and Innovation, there aren't any korean terran players with better unit control than him LOL. Okay. If you watch the actual game and you understand how absolute shitty his base management is, you would realize how incredible it is that he still is that good. But it's easier to just make ignorant sarcastic comments instead I guess.
LOL WTF?!
Uthermal would get absolutely rolled by any Terran in GSL. Any player for that mattter.
I never said otherwise, assuming you mean Code S. The point is going right over your head. While I don't agree he has as good of micro as the people you think he is using lots and lots of APM on unit control while mismanaging macro. You don't just gain tons of APM randomly. You choose to spend your APM on areas where you think it is most important. Just because you think he can make his macro good while continuing to micro perfectly doesn't mean it will ever work like that. No I think you don't understand the point. Because the solution to adressing his base management issues are actually not APM intensive. They are - somewhat - easily adressable with a little shift in priorties. That shift would not hurt his unit control that much. He would still be the terran with the best unit control if he spend 5% less time managing his units. And making sure you have proper saturation doesn't take very long time for someone using camera hotkeys. The same thing comes to securing expansations at proper times. WHY? Because his speed and mouse accuracy is significantly better than any other foreign terran player. How do you know his hotkey setup?
He has streamed/He has said so. He said he thinks he is too fast for camera hotkeys.. (which I find to be pretty dumb).
The best way to identify strenghts/weakness's of players in relation to other players is to watch FPV or replays.
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Wait are we arguing how uThermal is almost at the level of top Korean Terrans if he fixes just one thing because he does well in WCS Welfare?
Okay O_O
I hope he gets invited to IEM Taipei that seems to be the only chance to proof yourself as a foreigner right now
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Koreans never get pregame interview 
btw so far everybody with interview has lost.
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On January 24 2016 02:44 Arvendilin wrote:
Wait are we arguing how uThermal is almost at the level of top Korean Terrans if he fixes just one thing because he does well in WCS Welfare?
Okay O_O
I hope he gets invited to IEM Taipei that seems to be the only chance to proof yourself as a foreigner right now
Taipei is Korean players only, isn't it? I thought the site said that it was the 8 best Korean players. Although they did invite MC...
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On January 24 2016 02:44 Arvendilin wrote:
Wait are we arguing how uThermal is almost at the level of top Korean Terrans if he fixes just one thing because he does well in WCS Welfare?
Okay O_O
I hope he gets invited to IEM Taipei that seems to be the only chance to proof yourself as a foreigner right now
It's just Hider.
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On January 24 2016 02:44 Arvendilin wrote:
Wait are we arguing how uThermal is almost at the level of top Korean Terrans if he fixes just one thing because he does well in WCS Welfare?
Okay O_O
I hope he gets invited to IEM Taipei that seems to be the only chance to proof yourself as a foreigner right now
I don't know why you feel the need to tear down foreigners who play well.
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On January 24 2016 02:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:34 Hider wrote:
Ty is the best in the world by a good margin. Eh. TY has the best multitasking out of any Terran and maybe the best positioning, but in pure control, I don't think he's ahead of Dream and Maru. And if he is, it's not a lot.
Its still a mystery to me how a much slower player like supernova managed to run circles around him.
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On January 24 2016 02:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 02:34 Hider wrote:
Ty is the best in the world by a good margin. Eh. TY has the best multitasking out of any Terran and maybe the best positioning, but in pure control, I don't think he's ahead of Dream and Maru. And if he is, it's not a lot.
Yea I wouldn't put him ahead either, especially notin big fights
But he has gotten a lot better since like a year ago when he suffered from the same problem as FlaSh which is beeing unable to micro at all in big army engagement (he had small arym micro and multitasking to make up for that while FlaSh had sick macro to try and make up for it, didn't really work out for either of them super well at the time)
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EPT
