★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
11%
★★★ - Good game (10)
37%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (8)
30%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
19%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
40%
★★★ - Good game (9)
60%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
38%
★★★ - Good game (9)
43%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
10%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Game 4?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (9)
64%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
36%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 4?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Game 5?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (20)
37%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
13%
★★★ - Good game (3)
6%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (14)
26%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (10)
19%
54 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 5?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
FanTaSy spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks/gas opening for FanTaSy. HyuN going hatchery first. FanTaSy getting a reaper.
3:00 Spawning pool and extractor being made by HyuN. Zerglings in production. FanTaSy getting a second reaper.
4:00 Factory for FanTaSy. First reaper harasses and kills a zergling. Another reaper joins up and harasses a queen. Second CC for FanTaSy.
5:00 Starport being made. Third CC for FanTaSy. HyuN moves to take a third base but the reapers snipe the drone.
6:00 A few more zerglings die as they chase the reaper around the base. Viking and hellion for FanTaSy.
7:00 FanTaSy 50 vs HyuN 53 Baneling nest for HyuN. The first hellion is suicided. Reapers are still poking around. Stim for FanTaSy. Four hellions poke at two queens some distance from HyuN's bases.
8:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 66 Lair for HyuN. HyuN floods the natural expansion with zerglings and gets seven SCVs in addition to damaging all the hellions. +1/1 melee for HyuN as well as a spire. FanTaSy still building drones.
10:00 FanTaSy 73 vs HyuN 78 Baneling and overlord speeds for HyuN. +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. Hellions move to the watchtower. Combat shields also starting. A viking is killing overlords.
I think hyun and solar have improved the most of any players in the past 2 months. Fantasy is good, but i could see hyun winning and then sweeping hero. (oh god why is this map used in pro games)
FanTaSy spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks/gas opening for FanTaSy. HyuN going hatchery first. FanTaSy getting a reaper.
3:00 Spawning pool and extractor being made by HyuN. Zerglings in production. FanTaSy getting a second reaper.
4:00 Factory for FanTaSy. First reaper harasses and kills a zergling. Another reaper joins up and harasses a queen. Second CC for FanTaSy.
5:00 Starport being made. Third CC for FanTaSy. HyuN moves to take a third base but the reapers snipe the drone.
6:00 A few more zerglings die as they chase the reaper around the base. Viking and hellion for FanTaSy.
7:00 FanTaSy 50 vs HyuN 53 Baneling nest for HyuN. The first hellion is suicided. Reapers are still poking around. Stim for FanTaSy. Four hellions poke at two queens some distance from HyuN's bases.
8:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 66 Lair for HyuN. HyuN floods the natural expansion with zerglings and gets seven SCVs in addition to damaging all the hellions. +1/1 melee for HyuN as well as a spire. FanTaSy still building drones.
10:00 FanTaSy 73 vs HyuN 78 Baneling and overlord speeds for HyuN. +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. Hellions move to the watchtower. Combat shields also starting. A viking is killing overlords.
11:00 FanTaSy 105 vs HyuN 93 FanTaSy drops the high ground above the third and snipes two queens instantly. Some banelings are used on a reaper as well. +1/1 finishing for both players, +2/2 starting at least 15 seconds earlier for HyuN. FanTaSy also doing a mine drop in the natural, but mutalisks are out now.
13:00 FanTaSy 133 vs HyuN 114 FanTaSy started +2/2 relatively quickly. Drops are now getting cleaned up. HyuN has an infestation pit, but hasn't used it. FanTaSy starting to incorporate marauders/thors in his army. A mine/marine drop in the natural grabs a mutalisk, a few banelings and 10 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 145 vs HyuN 141 HyuN is rebuilding 15 drones. Fourth base being taken for HyuN, near his in-base natural. FanTaSy has another drop in the middle of the map which gets away. HyuN going for one of FanTaSy's back doors. FanTaSy breaking his other back door down.
FanTaSy spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks/gas opening for FanTaSy. HyuN going hatchery first. FanTaSy getting a reaper.
3:00 Spawning pool and extractor being made by HyuN. Zerglings in production. FanTaSy getting a second reaper.
4:00 Factory for FanTaSy. First reaper harasses and kills a zergling. Another reaper joins up and harasses a queen. Second CC for FanTaSy.
5:00 Starport being made. Third CC for FanTaSy. HyuN moves to take a third base but the reapers snipe the drone.
6:00 A few more zerglings die as they chase the reaper around the base. Viking and hellion for FanTaSy.
7:00 FanTaSy 50 vs HyuN 53 Baneling nest for HyuN. The first hellion is suicided. Reapers are still poking around. Stim for FanTaSy. Four hellions poke at two queens some distance from HyuN's bases.
8:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 66 Lair for HyuN. HyuN floods the natural expansion with zerglings and gets seven SCVs in addition to damaging all the hellions. +1/1 melee for HyuN as well as a spire. FanTaSy still building drones.
10:00 FanTaSy 73 vs HyuN 78 Baneling and overlord speeds for HyuN. +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. Hellions move to the watchtower. Combat shields also starting. A viking is killing overlords.
11:00 FanTaSy 105 vs HyuN 93 FanTaSy drops the high ground above the third and snipes two queens instantly. Some banelings are used on a reaper as well. +1/1 finishing for both players, +2/2 starting at least 15 seconds earlier for HyuN. FanTaSy also doing a mine drop in the natural, but mutalisks are out now.
13:00 FanTaSy 133 vs HyuN 114 FanTaSy started +2/2 relatively quickly. Drops are now getting cleaned up. HyuN has an infestation pit, but hasn't used it. FanTaSy starting to incorporate marauders/thors in his army. A mine/marine drop in the natural grabs a mutalisk, a few banelings and 10 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 145 vs HyuN 141 HyuN is rebuilding 15 drones. Fourth base being taken for HyuN, near his in-base natural. FanTaSy has another drop in the middle of the map which gets away. HyuN going for one of FanTaSy's back doors. FanTaSy breaking his other back door down.
16:00 FanTaSy 189 vs HyuN 148 HyuN counterattacking the natural. FanTaSy backs off and gets most of the banelings killed without too many losses. Eight SCVs fall.
17:00 FanTaSy 179 vs HyuN 140 +3/3 starting for FanTaSy. HyuN is finishing a hive at this point but just lost all of his banelings. Seven more being morphed. A drop is denied from FantaSy. FanTaSy pushing out on the map but not really attacking. Fifth base for HyuN. FanTaSy landing his fourth near his in-base natural.
19:00 FanTaSy 195 vs HyuN 161 A drop from FanTaSy is heading towards the top right. Mutalisks and a small ground force gather in the bottom right. FanTaSy pushes up the center and kills the fifth. The drop gets some units from the high ground without any cost.
20:00 FanTaSy 199 (1400/900) vs HyuN 182 +3/3 is only about a minute behind for HyuN. HyuN goes for another counter-attack and burrows banelings to kill marines. FanTaSy cancels another fifth and gets a drop in the natural. Mutalisks are doing a lot of damage in the main and third of FAnTaSy. HyuN cleans up a small force in the center of the map. There are drops in every base of HyuN except his in-base expansion. HyuN goes for another attack and cleans up most of FanTaSy's army.
FanTaSy spawns in the bottom left HyuN spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks/gas opening for FanTaSy. HyuN going hatchery first. FanTaSy getting a reaper.
3:00 Spawning pool and extractor being made by HyuN. Zerglings in production. FanTaSy getting a second reaper.
4:00 Factory for FanTaSy. First reaper harasses and kills a zergling. Another reaper joins up and harasses a queen. Second CC for FanTaSy.
5:00 Starport being made. Third CC for FanTaSy. HyuN moves to take a third base but the reapers snipe the drone.
6:00 A few more zerglings die as they chase the reaper around the base. Viking and hellion for FanTaSy.
7:00 FanTaSy 50 vs HyuN 53 Baneling nest for HyuN. The first hellion is suicided. Reapers are still poking around. Stim for FanTaSy. Four hellions poke at two queens some distance from HyuN's bases.
8:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 66 Lair for HyuN. HyuN floods the natural expansion with zerglings and gets seven SCVs in addition to damaging all the hellions. +1/1 melee for HyuN as well as a spire. FanTaSy still building drones.
10:00 FanTaSy 73 vs HyuN 78 Baneling and overlord speeds for HyuN. +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. Hellions move to the watchtower. Combat shields also starting. A viking is killing overlords.
11:00 FanTaSy 105 vs HyuN 93 FanTaSy drops the high ground above the third and snipes two queens instantly. Some banelings are used on a reaper as well. +1/1 finishing for both players, +2/2 starting at least 15 seconds earlier for HyuN. FanTaSy also doing a mine drop in the natural, but mutalisks are out now.
13:00 FanTaSy 133 vs HyuN 114 FanTaSy started +2/2 relatively quickly. Drops are now getting cleaned up. HyuN has an infestation pit, but hasn't used it. FanTaSy starting to incorporate marauders/thors in his army. A mine/marine drop in the natural grabs a mutalisk, a few banelings and 10 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 145 vs HyuN 141 HyuN is rebuilding 15 drones. Fourth base being taken for HyuN, near his in-base natural. FanTaSy has another drop in the middle of the map which gets away. HyuN going for one of FanTaSy's back doors. FanTaSy breaking his other back door down.
16:00 FanTaSy 189 vs HyuN 148 HyuN counterattacking the natural. FanTaSy backs off and gets most of the banelings killed without too many losses. Eight SCVs fall.
17:00 FanTaSy 179 vs HyuN 140 +3/3 starting for FanTaSy. HyuN is finishing a hive at this point but just lost all of his banelings. Seven more being morphed. A drop is denied from FantaSy. FanTaSy pushing out on the map but not really attacking. Fifth base for HyuN. FanTaSy landing his fourth near his in-base natural.
19:00 FanTaSy 195 vs HyuN 161 A drop from FanTaSy is heading towards the top right. Mutalisks and a small ground force gather in the bottom right. FanTaSy pushes up the center and kills the fifth. The drop gets some units from the high ground without any cost.
20:00 FanTaSy 199 (1400/900) vs HyuN 182 +3/3 is only about a minute behind for HyuN. HyuN goes for another counter-attack and burrows banelings to kill marines. FanTaSy cancels another fifth and gets a drop in the natural. Mutalisks are doing a lot of damage in the main and third of FAnTaSy. HyuN cleans up a small force in the center of the map. There are drops in every base of HyuN except his in-base expansion. HyuN goes for another attack and cleans up most of FanTaSy's army.
24:00 FanTaSy 85 vs HyuN 98 HyuN is getting 3 ultralisks. FanTaSy barely has some marines and a thor. Rocks are collapsed between FanTaSy's main and in-base as he has lost control of his main. Ultralisks are found. A drop with eight marines is destroyed. FanTaSy trying to clean up the attacking force.
25:00 FanTaSy 72 vs HyuN 89 Banelings being morphed. FanTaSy lands 10 MULEs at his fourth. HyuN gears up for an attack on FanTaSy's in base attack, where FanTaSy's units are. All the banelings and ultralisks get funneled into the buildings and HyuN loses everything. Hyun GG's! FanTaSy takes the first map!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
11%
★★★ - Good game (10)
37%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (8)
30%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
19%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
11%
★★★ - Good game (10)
37%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (8)
30%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
19%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 CC first versus hatchery first. Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. HyuN building a spawning pool and getting a gas.
3:00 FanTaSy building a marine and getting a factory. Zerglings/queens and zergling speed for HyuN.
4:00 Second marine, followed by a reactor, for FanTaSy. HyuN building drones.
5:00 Third CC in FanTaSy's main base. Starport being made, along with two hellions. HyuN researching overlord speed.
6:00 Baneling nest for HyuN. Banshee and more hellions are being made by FanTaSy. An overlord scouts the entirety of FanTaSy's main since all of the marines are in a bunker. Two evolution chambers being made.
7:00 FanTaSy 59 vs HyuN 64 HyuN has finished a third base. Drones are transferred. Hellions poke around but do not engage at all. Lair being made for HyuN. FanTaSy getting two engineering bays.
9:00 FanTaSy 77 vs HyuN 80 +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. FanTaSy has taken his third now. A banshee grabs three drones in the third. Overlords are still poking around everywhere. Baneling speed being gotten by HyuN.
10:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 98 FanTaSy getting combat shields. Spire starts. Fourth base for HyuN, which is found by the banshee. Armory for FanTaSy. Queens chase the banshee away. FanTaSy pushes out and gets a few zerglings and queens. The banshee and other queen kill each other. A counterattack by HyuN gets 10 SCVs.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 CC first versus hatchery first. Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. HyuN building a spawning pool and getting a gas.
3:00 FanTaSy building a marine and getting a factory. Zerglings/queens and zergling speed for HyuN.
4:00 Second marine, followed by a reactor, for FanTaSy. HyuN building drones.
5:00 Third CC in FanTaSy's main base. Starport being made, along with two hellions. HyuN researching overlord speed.
6:00 Baneling nest for HyuN. Banshee and more hellions are being made by FanTaSy. An overlord scouts the entirety of FanTaSy's main since all of the marines are in a bunker. Two evolution chambers being made.
7:00 FanTaSy 59 vs HyuN 64 HyuN has finished a third base. Drones are transferred. Hellions poke around but do not engage at all. Lair being made for HyuN. FanTaSy getting two engineering bays.
9:00 FanTaSy 77 vs HyuN 80 +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. FanTaSy has taken his third now. A banshee grabs three drones in the third. Overlords are still poking around everywhere. Baneling speed being gotten by HyuN.
10:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 98 FanTaSy getting combat shields. Spire starts. Fourth base for HyuN, which is found by the banshee. Armory for FanTaSy. Queens chase the banshee away. FanTaSy pushes out and gets a few zerglings and queens. The banshee and other queen kill each other. A counterattack by HyuN gets 10 SCVs.
12:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy still maintaining a presence on the map. A drop is cleaned up. FanTaSy moves back to the center and clears some of the creep. Concussive shells and marauders being added. A mine drop gets four dones. HyuN going for an attack which is ineffective. FanTaSy drops directly on top of a queen and spore crawler which is ineffective. HyuN goes for an attack from two angles on the third, grabbing the majority of FanTaSy's army.
15:00 FanTaSy 106 vs HyuN 143 +3/3 starts for FanTaSy. HyuN is pushed back but at the cost of a lot of units and workers. 19 more banelings being morphed near FanTaSy's third. HyuN attacks and gets FanTaSy's army. 15 more SCVs are killed at the third and HyuN is morphing 22 more banelings.
Fantasy is terrible with his Widow Mines. One thing is bad connections, another thing is burying them so later they never get to fire. This is making me sad :/
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 CC first versus hatchery first. Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. HyuN building a spawning pool and getting a gas.
3:00 FanTaSy building a marine and getting a factory. Zerglings/queens and zergling speed for HyuN.
4:00 Second marine, followed by a reactor, for FanTaSy. HyuN building drones.
5:00 Third CC in FanTaSy's main base. Starport being made, along with two hellions. HyuN researching overlord speed.
6:00 Baneling nest for HyuN. Banshee and more hellions are being made by FanTaSy. An overlord scouts the entirety of FanTaSy's main since all of the marines are in a bunker. Two evolution chambers being made.
7:00 FanTaSy 59 vs HyuN 64 HyuN has finished a third base. Drones are transferred. Hellions poke around but do not engage at all. Lair being made for HyuN. FanTaSy getting two engineering bays.
9:00 FanTaSy 77 vs HyuN 80 +1/1 starts for FanTaSy. FanTaSy has taken his third now. A banshee grabs three drones in the third. Overlords are still poking around everywhere. Baneling speed being gotten by HyuN.
10:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 98 FanTaSy getting combat shields. Spire starts. Fourth base for HyuN, which is found by the banshee. Armory for FanTaSy. Queens chase the banshee away. FanTaSy pushes out and gets a few zerglings and queens. The banshee and other queen kill each other. A counterattack by HyuN gets 10 SCVs.
12:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy still maintaining a presence on the map. A drop is cleaned up. FanTaSy moves back to the center and clears some of the creep. Concussive shells and marauders being added. A mine drop gets four dones. HyuN going for an attack which is ineffective. FanTaSy drops directly on top of a queen and spore crawler which is ineffective. HyuN goes for an attack from two angles on the third, grabbing the majority of FanTaSy's army.
15:00 FanTaSy 106 vs HyuN 143 +3/3 starts for FanTaSy. HyuN is pushed back but at the cost of a lot of units and workers. 19 more banelings being morphed near FanTaSy's third. HyuN attacks and gets FanTaSy's army. 15 more SCVs are killed at the third and HyuN is morphing 22 more banelings.
17:00 FanTaSy 101 vs HyuN 175 HyuN goes on an attack on the natural and crushes FanTaSy's army again. FanTaSy GG's! HyuN ties the series, 1-1!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
40%
★★★ - Good game (9)
60%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On October 06 2015 19:14 Athinira wrote: Fantasy is terrible with his Widow Mines. One thing is bad connections, another thing is burying them so later they never get to fire. This is making me sad :/
Yyyyeeeaaaahhh... the number of WMs that die before they even burrow is ridiculous. Fanta's multitasking not quite there.
On October 06 2015 19:12 pure.Wasted wrote: Fantasy at 56 workers.
"This is not a game that Fantasy's going to be winning."
Honestly the game was over at about the 7 minute mark. Any zerg could have essentially 1a'ed with how far hyun was ahead despite supplys being close.
Did you even watch Fantasy vs TRUE?
What happened? I know true used to not use army hotkeys and would use select all, so I imagine he did a very bad engage? In this game hyun was at ~70+ workers so early on with 2-2 far faster that he could have just done an empty 4th and hit at 2-2, and not even the best terran would win vs a non code s zerg. Interesting that hyun didn't quite do that and went for 80+ drones though.
On October 06 2015 19:12 pure.Wasted wrote: Fantasy at 56 workers.
"This is not a game that Fantasy's going to be winning."
Honestly the game was over at about the 7 minute mark. Any zerg could have essentially 1a'ed with how far hyun was ahead despite supplys being close.
Did you even watch Fantasy vs TRUE?
What happened? I know true used to not use army hotkeys and would use select all, so I imagine he did a very bad engage? In this game hyun was at ~70+ workers so early on with 2-2 far faster that he could have just done an empty 4th and hit at 2-2, and not even the best terran would win vs a non code s zerg. Interesting that hyun didn't quite do that and went for 80+ drones though.
Assuming he is referring to the whirlwind game, IIRC FanTaSy got destroyed by a 3 base baneling bust but clawed his way back into the game on virtually no economy with tons of drops. Still lost though.
On October 06 2015 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: Fantasy True... hmm, was that the game where 20 mutas(or even more) went BAM to few widow mines in a second?
That was Jjakji vs Revival.
Btw Revival is the observer for GSL in case you don't know.
On October 06 2015 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: Fantasy True... hmm, was that the game where 20 mutas(or even more) went BAM to few widow mines in a second?
On October 06 2015 19:12 pure.Wasted wrote: Fantasy at 56 workers.
"This is not a game that Fantasy's going to be winning."
Honestly the game was over at about the 7 minute mark. Any zerg could have essentially 1a'ed with how far hyun was ahead despite supplys being close.
Did you even watch Fantasy vs TRUE?
What happened? I know true used to not use army hotkeys and would use select all, so I imagine he did a very bad engage? In this game hyun was at ~70+ workers so early on with 2-2 far faster that he could have just done an empty 4th and hit at 2-2, and not even the best terran would win vs a non code s zerg. Interesting that hyun didn't quite do that and went for 80+ drones though.
Assuming he is referring to the whirlwind game, IIRC FanTaSy got destroyed by a 3 base baneling bust but clawed his way back into the game on virtually no economy with tons of drops. Still lost though.
Yeah. He came back from having 6 or 7 SCVs, after Tastosis wrote him off and made all of the "Fanta GG timing" jokes. But then he did lose.
On October 06 2015 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: Fantasy True... hmm, was that the game where 20 mutas(or even more) went BAM to few widow mines in a second?
That was Jjakji vs Revival.
Btw Revival is the observer for GSL in case you don't know.
On October 06 2015 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: Fantasy True... hmm, was that the game where 20 mutas(or even more) went BAM to few widow mines in a second?
On October 06 2015 19:23 WrathSCII wrote: bio again... FanTaSy gave up on mech?
HyuN's style counters a weak mech player pretty badly, I think Fantasy analyzed his games and thinks it is hard to survive vs HyuN's aggression till Mech reaches a tipping point.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. HyuN going hatchery first followed by pool/gas.
3:00 CC and reactor for FanTaSy. Queens/zerglings are made by HyuN.
4:00 FanTaSy getting a reactor and two marines. A scouting zergling is killed by marines. Starport on the way for FanTaSy.
5:00 Baneling nest for HyuN. Two hellions are also being made. Tech lab on FanTaSy's barracks.
6:00 FanTaSy getting a banshee. Speedlings are moving towards FanTaSy's base. FanTaSy is in HyuN's natural. Some of HyuN's banelings are cancelled near FanTaSy's base. The rest are cancelled.
7:00 HyuN morphing 12+ more banelings and charging in again. FanTaSy left his wall open and banelings get in, but the banshee and hellions manage to get all of them killed before they reach the worker line.
8:00 Second banshee and armory for FanTaSy. HyuN is completely cleaned up. FanTaSy retains nearly all of his workers.
9:00 FanTaSy 60 vs HyuN 43 FanTaSy moves out with his banshees. Another attack for HyuN with zerglings gets 8 SCVs. HyuN is still on two bases.
10:00 FanTaSy 60 vs HyuN 50 FanTaSy gathers 5 hellions and three banshees, morphing hellbats before attacking. A spore crawlers is killed before it finishes, although the one in the mineral line of the natural survives. Queens are moving around More hellbats reinforce and HyuN loses control of his natural. HyuN GG's! FanTaSy takes a 2-1 lead!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
38%
★★★ - Good game (9)
43%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
10%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Hyun's roach style really showed/hurt him there. A player like life would have had his lings not really microed better, but in better spots and won that so easily.
If Maru walked into Fantasy's booth right now, threw Fanta out, sat down, and finished the series under Fantasy's name... would Maru be allowed to play at Blizzcon?
On October 06 2015 19:34 pure.Wasted wrote: Hypothetical question:
If Maru walked into Fantasy's booth right now and threw Fanta out, sat down, and finished the series under Fantasy's name... would Maru be allowed to play at Blizzcon?
On October 06 2015 19:34 pure.Wasted wrote: Hypothetical question:
If Maru walked into Fantasy's booth right now and threw Fanta out, sat down, and finished the series under Fantasy's name... would Maru be allowed to play at Blizzcon?
I seriously doubt it.
What if he promised to play under Fantasy's name at Blizzcon?
FanTaSy spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 FanTaSy going 2rax near the center of the map. HyuN going hatchery first.
3:00 FanTaSy starts making bunkers at HyuN's natural. HyuN pulls drops immediately but a third SCV and the arrival of the first marine allows FanTaSy to finish a bunker.
4:00 The other two SCVs are killed and a forward bunker is forced to cancel. FanTaSy takes an expansion. Third base for FanTaSy.
5:00 HyuN building drones. Two refineries being made by FanTaSy. HyuN does not have gas or zergling speed. A spine crawler forces FanTaSy to retreat. 14 slow zerglings chase after FanTaSy's 6 marines.
FanTaSy spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 FanTaSy going 2rax near the center of the map. HyuN going hatchery first.
3:00 FanTaSy starts making bunkers at HyuN's natural. HyuN pulls drops immediately but a third SCV and the arrival of the first marine allows FanTaSy to finish a bunker.
4:00 The other two SCVs are killed and a forward bunker is forced to cancel. FanTaSy takes an expansion. Third base for FanTaSy.
5:00 HyuN building drones. Two refineries being made by FanTaSy. HyuN does not have gas or zergling speed. A spine crawler forces FanTaSy to retreat. 14 slow zerglings chase after FanTaSy's 6 marines.
6:00 FanTaSy finishes a bunker in his natural in time to prevent too much damage from the zerglings. Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN taking 3 gasses.
8:00 FanTaSy 30 vs HyuN 51 Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN is about half done with a third base. Stim being researched by FanTaSy.
9:00 FanTaSy 44 vs HyuN 60 Lair and two evolution chambers for HyuN. FanTaSy getting a third barracks. First hellions finish. Roach warren being made by HyuN, and +1/1 ranged being researched. Stim is half done for FanTaSy.
10:00 FanTaSy 64 vs HyuN 72 Starport starts for FanTaSy. +1/1 being researched as well for FanTaSy. Third base lands for FanTaSy. 8 roaches being made. Roach speed starts for HyuN.
FanTaSy spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 FanTaSy going 2rax near the center of the map. HyuN going hatchery first.
3:00 FanTaSy starts making bunkers at HyuN's natural. HyuN pulls drops immediately but a third SCV and the arrival of the first marine allows FanTaSy to finish a bunker.
4:00 The other two SCVs are killed and a forward bunker is forced to cancel. FanTaSy takes an expansion. Third base for FanTaSy.
5:00 HyuN building drones. Two refineries being made by FanTaSy. HyuN does not have gas or zergling speed. A spine crawler forces FanTaSy to retreat. 14 slow zerglings chase after FanTaSy's 6 marines.
6:00 FanTaSy finishes a bunker in his natural in time to prevent too much damage from the zerglings. Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN taking 3 gasses.
8:00 FanTaSy 30 vs HyuN 51 Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN is about half done with a third base. Stim being researched by FanTaSy.
9:00 FanTaSy 44 vs HyuN 60 Lair and two evolution chambers for HyuN. FanTaSy getting a third barracks. First hellions finish. Roach warren being made by HyuN, and +1/1 ranged being researched. Stim is half done for FanTaSy.
10:00 FanTaSy 64 vs HyuN 72 Starport starts for FanTaSy. +1/1 being researched as well for FanTaSy. Third base lands for FanTaSy. 8 roaches being made. Roach speed starts for HyuN.
11:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 110 Medivac starts for FanTaSy. Roaches are staying in HyuN's base area. More roaches are being made. FanTaSy is making more hellions, marines, and medivacs. Marauders are just now starting. HyuN moves out and FanTaSy immediately harasses with hellions, killing 7 drones. HyuN grabbing supply depots at FanTaSy's natural. FanTaSy pulls workers and manages to hold, losing 15 SCVs. HyuN moves to the third and forces a lift.
14:00 FanTaSy 98 vs HyuN 140 +2 attack starts for both players. HyuN attacks the natural again but loses his roaches for 16 more workers. Hydralisk den starts. FanTaSy keeps a lot of his units but only 35 SCVs against 71 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 111 HyuN taking a fourth base as well. +2 armor only now starting for FanTaSy, +2 is half done and +2/2 is on the way for HyuN. Hydralisks being made by HyuN, in addition to range.
even from an advantage with roach hydra drops are so scary here. it's much harder to split a roach hydra army, if you send back too small a force to defend a big drop you just lose it and your army is suddenly really bad
FanTaSy spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 FanTaSy going 2rax near the center of the map. HyuN going hatchery first.
3:00 FanTaSy starts making bunkers at HyuN's natural. HyuN pulls drops immediately but a third SCV and the arrival of the first marine allows FanTaSy to finish a bunker.
4:00 The other two SCVs are killed and a forward bunker is forced to cancel. FanTaSy takes an expansion. Third base for FanTaSy.
5:00 HyuN building drones. Two refineries being made by FanTaSy. HyuN does not have gas or zergling speed. A spine crawler forces FanTaSy to retreat. 14 slow zerglings chase after FanTaSy's 6 marines.
6:00 FanTaSy finishes a bunker in his natural in time to prevent too much damage from the zerglings. Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN taking 3 gasses.
8:00 FanTaSy 30 vs HyuN 51 Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN is about half done with a third base. Stim being researched by FanTaSy.
9:00 FanTaSy 44 vs HyuN 60 Lair and two evolution chambers for HyuN. FanTaSy getting a third barracks. First hellions finish. Roach warren being made by HyuN, and +1/1 ranged being researched. Stim is half done for FanTaSy.
10:00 FanTaSy 64 vs HyuN 72 Starport starts for FanTaSy. +1/1 being researched as well for FanTaSy. Third base lands for FanTaSy. 8 roaches being made. Roach speed starts for HyuN.
11:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 110 Medivac starts for FanTaSy. Roaches are staying in HyuN's base area. More roaches are being made. FanTaSy is making more hellions, marines, and medivacs. Marauders are just now starting. HyuN moves out and FanTaSy immediately harasses with hellions, killing 7 drones. HyuN grabbing supply depots at FanTaSy's natural. FanTaSy pulls workers and manages to hold, losing 15 SCVs. HyuN moves to the third and forces a lift.
14:00 FanTaSy 98 vs HyuN 140 +2 attack starts for both players. HyuN attacks the natural again but loses his roaches for 16 more workers. Hydralisk den starts. FanTaSy keeps a lot of his units but only 35 SCVs against 71 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 111 HyuN taking a fourth base as well. +2 armor only now starting for FanTaSy, +2 is half done and +2/2 is on the way for HyuN. Hydralisks being made by HyuN, in addition to range.
16:00 FanTaSy 117 vs HyuN 147 FanTaSy's drops are being deflected but not killed. FanTaSy going for a pretty sizable drop which is nearly killed by hydralisks before landing.
17:00 FanTaSy 151 vs HyuN 198 Hydralisk speed being researched by HyuN. HyuN moving out with most of his roach/hydra. FanTaSy is still on three bases. HyuN attacks the third base from an angle that FanTaSy is not ready for and does a pretty good job. HyuN rebuilding ~20 roaches, followed by hydralisks.
19:00 FanTaSy 115 vs HyuN 176 HyuN is not mining from his fourth. FanTaSy moves out and loses some units pretty quickly. FanTaSy going for an attack with queens and his roach/hydra, killing the third CC. FanTaSy is slowly cleaning up with marauder-only but HyuN has a reasonable bank and 4 bases to 2.
FanTaSy spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the bottom left
2:00 FanTaSy going 2rax near the center of the map. HyuN going hatchery first.
3:00 FanTaSy starts making bunkers at HyuN's natural. HyuN pulls drops immediately but a third SCV and the arrival of the first marine allows FanTaSy to finish a bunker.
4:00 The other two SCVs are killed and a forward bunker is forced to cancel. FanTaSy takes an expansion. Third base for FanTaSy.
5:00 HyuN building drones. Two refineries being made by FanTaSy. HyuN does not have gas or zergling speed. A spine crawler forces FanTaSy to retreat. 14 slow zerglings chase after FanTaSy's 6 marines.
6:00 FanTaSy finishes a bunker in his natural in time to prevent too much damage from the zerglings. Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN taking 3 gasses.
8:00 FanTaSy 30 vs HyuN 51 Factory for FanTaSy. HyuN is about half done with a third base. Stim being researched by FanTaSy.
9:00 FanTaSy 44 vs HyuN 60 Lair and two evolution chambers for HyuN. FanTaSy getting a third barracks. First hellions finish. Roach warren being made by HyuN, and +1/1 ranged being researched. Stim is half done for FanTaSy.
10:00 FanTaSy 64 vs HyuN 72 Starport starts for FanTaSy. +1/1 being researched as well for FanTaSy. Third base lands for FanTaSy. 8 roaches being made. Roach speed starts for HyuN.
11:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 110 Medivac starts for FanTaSy. Roaches are staying in HyuN's base area. More roaches are being made. FanTaSy is making more hellions, marines, and medivacs. Marauders are just now starting. HyuN moves out and FanTaSy immediately harasses with hellions, killing 7 drones. HyuN grabbing supply depots at FanTaSy's natural. FanTaSy pulls workers and manages to hold, losing 15 SCVs. HyuN moves to the third and forces a lift.
14:00 FanTaSy 98 vs HyuN 140 +2 attack starts for both players. HyuN attacks the natural again but loses his roaches for 16 more workers. Hydralisk den starts. FanTaSy keeps a lot of his units but only 35 SCVs against 71 drones.
15:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 111 HyuN taking a fourth base as well. +2 armor only now starting for FanTaSy, +2 is half done and +2/2 is on the way for HyuN. Hydralisks being made by HyuN, in addition to range.
16:00 FanTaSy 117 vs HyuN 147 FanTaSy's drops are being deflected but not killed. FanTaSy going for a pretty sizable drop which is nearly killed by hydralisks before landing.
17:00 FanTaSy 151 vs HyuN 198 Hydralisk speed being researched by HyuN. HyuN moving out with most of his roach/hydra. FanTaSy is still on three bases. HyuN attacks the third base from an angle that FanTaSy is not ready for and does a pretty good job. HyuN rebuilding ~20 roaches, followed by hydralisks.
19:00 FanTaSy 115 vs HyuN 176 HyuN is not mining from his fourth. FanTaSy moves out and loses some units pretty quickly. FanTaSy going for an attack with queens and his roach/hydra, killing the third CC. FanTaSy is slowly cleaning up with marauder-only but HyuN has a reasonable bank and 4 bases to 2.
22:00 FanTaSy 97 vs HyuN 163 FanTaSy floating his third CC to the same third that kept getting attacked. FanTaSy floats his drop past some hydralisks into the main where there are more hydralisks.He then moves to the third base where there are roaches and hydralisks shooting from above. FanTasy guns down HyuN's fourth.
23:00 FanTaSy 67 vs HyuN 198 HyuN going for a game-ending attack. FanTaSy trying to muster up a strong enough counterattack, but loses his medivacs followed by units and GGs. HyuN ties the series 2-2!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
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Your vote: Recommend Game 4?
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On October 06 2015 19:52 GaliX wrote: anybody does remember the game on WCS EU when MVP won with 3-4 marauder and 2 worker after getting allined and the zerg had 2 base?
On October 06 2015 19:52 GaliX wrote: anybody does remember the game on WCS EU when MVP won with 3-4 marauder and 2 worker after getting allined and the zerg had 2 base?
On October 06 2015 19:55 robson1 wrote: Not been watching/playing that much lately. This map looks really good for mech. How's fantasys mech these days?
Yes this is a great map for mech. Not sure about Fantasy's mech.
Solo Marines always look so funny when they're being stutter stepped. Their gun swings wildly left to right, it looks like they're just sprayin and prayin.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
lol, that combat without healthbars. Blizzard talking about making everything more visible, meanwhile the Koreans try to make it as viewerunfriendly as possible...
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
On October 06 2015 20:01 Big J wrote: lol, that combat without healthbars. Blizzard talking about making everything more visible, meanwhile the Koreans try to make it as viewerunfriendly as possible...
typical foreigners not being able to tell HP from looking at unit models
also hyun is probably dead if fantasy pushes (he might not though, there is room to redrone against turtle mech)
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
problem for hyun here is even if he has time to get hive units it will be hard to trade out roach/hydra in a useful way. some kind of crazy nydus attack might be a good risk to take, but i doubt it will happen
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
On October 06 2015 20:11 Fecalfeast wrote: I can see hyun losing this still
he's super fucked if the game goes so late.
it's really skill at this point. with modern mass viper queen ultra anti mech compositions you can continue trading for a long long time, it's not autolose like it used to be. if you keep terran on low bank it's doable even against BC/raven
On October 06 2015 20:12 Charoisaur wrote: that's why mech is so stupid in tvz. the only way to play is turtling the entire game, if you move out you lose everything.
lol FanTa could have just amoved with his army like 9 minutes ago when HyuN was droning with a handful of roach/hydra
On October 06 2015 20:12 Charoisaur wrote: that's why mech is so stupid in tvz. the only way to play is turtling the entire game, if you move out you lose everything.
if he attacks before vipers he probably wins
it's kind of understandable that he didn't know for sure how much damage he did and that the roach/hydra army was pathetic, as mech is vulnerable if there's a better army, but he definitely could have closed it out
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
On October 06 2015 20:17 deacon.frost wrote: I hate the moment when Terran sacrifices SCVs because of MULEs. Have they done anything with this in LotV? Why care about HotS now
They had it fixed in LotV, but then they decided MULE Hammer was a good thing for no reason and changed it back.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
31:00 FanTaSy 199 (1900/2100) vs HyuN 199 (4000/4000) HyuN trying to take the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy goes after it with banshees . HyuN breaks open the gold base but loses quite a few units in the process. Some battlecruisers are abducted and killed. FanTaSy just retreats. HyuN attacks and kills most of the tanks/BCs/ravens but loses brood lords and vipers.
35:00 FanTaSy 178 vs HyuN 165 (400/3700) FanTaSy inching towards the 6 o'clock. Ravens being remade. HyuN got a bunch of vipers and is trying to get ultralisks. FanTaSy secures the 6 o'clock and drops 13 mules.
On October 06 2015 20:17 deacon.frost wrote: I hate the moment when Terran sacrifices SCVs because of MULEs. Have they done anything with this in LotV? Why care about HotS now
They had it fixed in LotV, but then they decided MULE Hammer was a good thing for no reason and changed it back.
Damn I am OK when bio player does it, because bio is squishy and dies fast in huge numbers.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
31:00 FanTaSy 199 (1900/2100) vs HyuN 199 (4000/4000) HyuN trying to take the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy goes after it with banshees . HyuN breaks open the gold base but loses quite a few units in the process. Some battlecruisers are abducted and killed. FanTaSy just retreats. HyuN attacks and kills most of the tanks/BCs/ravens but loses brood lords and vipers.
35:00 FanTaSy 178 vs HyuN 165 (400/3700) FanTaSy inching towards the 6 o'clock. Ravens being remade. HyuN got a bunch of vipers and is trying to get ultralisks. FanTaSy secures the 6 o'clock and drops 13 mules.
37:00 FanTaSy 186 vs HyuN 179 HyuN moving towards the natural with some hydralisks/ultralisks. FanTaSy responds and HyuN traps four BCs, killing them. HyuN moves towards the 6 o'clock of fantasy and starts slicing up tanks/turrets. FanTaSy manages to hold onto everything.
39:00 FanTaSy 185 vs HyuN 199 (500/4200) HyuN going for the main base of fantasy with more hydra/ultralisk. HyuN goes directly for the 6 o'clock of FanTaSy but the terran defends in time. More ultralisk/hydra being made. Infestors are also being added for HyuN. HyuN has had the 12 o'clock for a while as well. FanTaSy moving right onto creep, killing nearly all the vipers immediately. Yamato cannons get ultralisks and queens. HyuN goes for an attack which is neatly crushed by FanTaSy. HyuN fungals a number of vikings/ravens but loses them to seeker missiles. Suddenly HyuN has no units and no minerals.
hyun's guerrilla positional shit was cool for a while but he needed to stop and actually commit to a base or something, he just ended up having his army divided and conquered as kaelaris would say
Man its frustrating. WHy not nydus fantas main? research drop and unleash cracklings every now and then to the infra of fanta. Get some SH to destory those turret lines ..
Haven't watched a lot of SC2 lately, but are these "mine-out-the-entire-map" mech games still common? I really hope LotV makes games like these obsolete.
On October 06 2015 20:26 YyapSsap wrote: Man its frustrating. WHy not nydus fantas main? research drop and unleash cracklings every now and then to the infra of fanta. Get some SH to destory those turret lines ..
On October 06 2015 20:26 Zheryn wrote: Haven't watched a lot of SC2 lately, but are these "mine-out-the-entire-map" mech games still common? I really hope LotV makes games like these obsolete.
it's pretty much the best way to play Terraform (and Echo when it was still in the map pool)
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
31:00 FanTaSy 199 (1900/2100) vs HyuN 199 (4000/4000) HyuN trying to take the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy goes after it with banshees . HyuN breaks open the gold base but loses quite a few units in the process. Some battlecruisers are abducted and killed. FanTaSy just retreats. HyuN attacks and kills most of the tanks/BCs/ravens but loses brood lords and vipers.
35:00 FanTaSy 178 vs HyuN 165 (400/3700) FanTaSy inching towards the 6 o'clock. Ravens being remade. HyuN got a bunch of vipers and is trying to get ultralisks. FanTaSy secures the 6 o'clock and drops 13 mules.
37:00 FanTaSy 186 vs HyuN 179 HyuN moving towards the natural with some hydralisks/ultralisks. FanTaSy responds and HyuN traps four BCs, killing them. HyuN moves towards the 6 o'clock of fantasy and starts slicing up tanks/turrets. FanTaSy manages to hold onto everything.
39:00 FanTaSy 185 vs HyuN 199 (500/4200) HyuN going for the main base of fantasy with more hydra/ultralisk. HyuN goes directly for the 6 o'clock of FanTaSy but the terran defends in time. More ultralisk/hydra being made. Infestors are also being added for HyuN. HyuN has had the 12 o'clock for a while as well. FanTaSy moving right onto creep, killing nearly all the vipers immediately. Yamato cannons get ultralisks and queens. HyuN goes for an attack which is neatly crushed by FanTaSy. HyuN fungals a number of vikings/ravens but loses them to seeker missiles. Suddenly HyuN has no units and no minerals.
43:00 FanTaSy 171 vs HyuN 115 (600/2400) A few mutalisks go for FanTaSy's main base and grab a tank. FanTaSy has locked down his six o'clock but really isn't doing that much at the moment. Infestors being rebuilt for HyuN. HyuN is not mining at all from his center base, but is from the 12 o'clock. Vikings chase after the mutalisks and force them to retreat. HyuN starts mining from the center base, which FanTaSy scans.
45:00 FanTaSy 182 vs HyuN 160 FanTaSy goes for the center base of HyuN and kills it. Some abducts go on the vikings but vipers are exchanged for them. 6 vipers are being remade. HyuN moves towards the top left. FanTaSy attacking the 12 o'clock base with tanks and his air army. HyuN moving down, killing the 6 o'clock base. FanTaSy gets the 12 o'clock base. HyuN is not mining minerals.
On October 06 2015 20:29 x0x0 wrote: IMO top 3 games of the year!!!
It's entertaining. But it's pretty bad.
@ poster with the Yamato question: I don't think it would break the game to take it out, but tbh it's one of the most iconic units/spells. So why would you take it out.
On October 06 2015 20:28 Tsubbi wrote: fungal damage is pathetic
why does it do damage AND keep units in place? why not one of them?
yeah, just make it 80 damage like storm
It's funny that the Zergs are complaining about mech and then want spells that bio even less viable.
zergs want the infestor to not be a retarded unit so we can build them, nobody wants them to be overpowered, we just want them to be a real fucking unit
On October 06 2015 20:31 brickrd wrote: this feels like the 16th inning of a baseball game where everyone stops paying attention and just talks to their friends and eats nachos
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
31:00 FanTaSy 199 (1900/2100) vs HyuN 199 (4000/4000) HyuN trying to take the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy goes after it with banshees . HyuN breaks open the gold base but loses quite a few units in the process. Some battlecruisers are abducted and killed. FanTaSy just retreats. HyuN attacks and kills most of the tanks/BCs/ravens but loses brood lords and vipers.
35:00 FanTaSy 178 vs HyuN 165 (400/3700) FanTaSy inching towards the 6 o'clock. Ravens being remade. HyuN got a bunch of vipers and is trying to get ultralisks. FanTaSy secures the 6 o'clock and drops 13 mules.
37:00 FanTaSy 186 vs HyuN 179 HyuN moving towards the natural with some hydralisks/ultralisks. FanTaSy responds and HyuN traps four BCs, killing them. HyuN moves towards the 6 o'clock of fantasy and starts slicing up tanks/turrets. FanTaSy manages to hold onto everything.
39:00 FanTaSy 185 vs HyuN 199 (500/4200) HyuN going for the main base of fantasy with more hydra/ultralisk. HyuN goes directly for the 6 o'clock of FanTaSy but the terran defends in time. More ultralisk/hydra being made. Infestors are also being added for HyuN. HyuN has had the 12 o'clock for a while as well. FanTaSy moving right onto creep, killing nearly all the vipers immediately. Yamato cannons get ultralisks and queens. HyuN goes for an attack which is neatly crushed by FanTaSy. HyuN fungals a number of vikings/ravens but loses them to seeker missiles. Suddenly HyuN has no units and no minerals.
43:00 FanTaSy 171 vs HyuN 115 (600/2400) A few mutalisks go for FanTaSy's main base and grab a tank. FanTaSy has locked down his six o'clock but really isn't doing that much at the moment. Infestors being rebuilt for HyuN. HyuN is not mining at all from his center base, but is from the 12 o'clock. Vikings chase after the mutalisks and force them to retreat. HyuN starts mining from the center base, which FanTaSy scans.
45:00 FanTaSy 182 vs HyuN 160 FanTaSy goes for the center base of HyuN and kills it. Some abducts go on the vikings but vipers are exchanged for them. 6 vipers are being remade. HyuN moves towards the top left. FanTaSy attacking the 12 o'clock base with tanks and his air army. HyuN moving down, killing the 6 o'clock base. FanTaSy gets the 12 o'clock base. HyuN is not mining minerals.
49:00 FanTaSy 161 vs HyuN 162 HyuN re-establishes mining at the center base. FanTaSy goes for his own center base. Some mules are landed at FanTaSy's base. HyuN is rebuilding more hydra/ultralisks.
51:00 FanTaSy 163 vs HyuN 169 FanTaSy moving his entire army towards the center of the map. HyuN moves out to greet him and FanTaSy backs up. HyuN is also taking the 6 o'clock. HyuN smashes up against an empty mineral line at FanTaSy's center base but backs off before losing anything of note. FanTaSy only has ten SCVs. Most of them are mining gas at his center base. Nothing is actually happening at the moment.
53:00 FanTaSy 188 vs HyuN 186 FanTaSy is still trying to push through the center but HyuN is still there. HyuN swings up to the mineral line of the top center and kills three SCVs. FanTaSy holds it and moves towards the bottom but HyuN is attacking again. HyuN kills the base. FanTaSy moving towards HyuN's center base which is the last one still mining significantly. 20 drones are eviscerated. HyuN is taking the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy is mining somewhere with one SCV. FanTaSy goes straight for an attack with his tanks useiged and there's this huge cluster of things. Enough seekers and yamatos land on the hydralisks that FanTaSy cleans up the army of HyuN.
FanTaSy spawns in the top left HyuN spawns in the bottom right
2:00 HyuN going hatchery first in his natural. FanTaSy opening CC first.
3:00 Barracks/gas for FanTaSy. Pool/gas for HyuN. Marine and factory for FanTaSy.
4:00 Zergling speed being researched. An SCV scout is deflected by two zerglings. Reactor on a barracks goes on the factory; two hellions are made. Starport starts.
5:00 Hellions poke at HyuN's natural. Third base for HyuN. Overlord speed for HyuN.
6:00 FanTaSy charges in with hellions and does nothing, losing one hellion and nearly a second. Baneling nest for HyuN. FanTaSy starts a third CC.
7:00 FanTaSy 61 vs HyuN 61 Armory for FanTaSy. A hellion drop is denied immediately. Two more factories for FanTaSy. Roach warren for FanTaSy. Nine hellions move towards HyuN's third and morph hellbats. HyuN morphing banelings.
9:00 FanTaSy 78 vs HyuN 70 FanTaSy manages to clean up 11 workers and some banelings, but loses all of his hellbats. A viking kills an overlord and supply blocks HyuN for a while.
10:00 FanTaSy 93 vs HyuN 78 FanTaSy adding tanks as +1 mech attack finishes. +1/1 ranged and roaches are being made by HyuN. Hellions moving along the upper end of the map. A drop is also moving towards the main of HyuN.
12:00 FanTaSy 114 vs HyuN 95 FanTaSy is still being aggressive with his hellions and hellbat drops. HyuN does not have a lot of defense and is losing workers left and right. Infestation pit and hydralisk den for HyuN. HyuN loses 20 more workers. Hive being gotten. Fourth base for HyuN. More tanks being made by FanTaSy. +2/2 starts for HyuN, which will finish after +2/1 for FanTaSy.
14:00 FanTaSy 150 vs HyuN 104 HyuN has just 11 roaches against 11 tanks, but FanTaSy hasn't attacked. HyuN taking the gold. FanTaSy unseiges all of his tanks and moves forward a few feet. Scan sees the hive still under construction. FanTaSy clearing creep and backing off. Vipers are being made by HyuN.
15:00 FanTaSy 172 vs HyuN 146 FanTaSy moving a CC towards the gold. HyuN moves his hydralisks near there but doesn't do anything. Spire for HyuN.
17:00 FanTaSy 180 vs HyuN 185 Five more vipers are being made by HyuN. Greater spire on the way for HyuN. HyuN is moving aggressively with his hydralisks but not attacking near the gold. FanTaSy only has 12 vikings in anti-air. HyuN loses 20 workers to hellions but that isn't terribly important. Two starports and a fusion core are added for FanTaSy. 8 corrupters for HyuN.
19:00 FanTaSy 198 (200/500) vs HyuN 188 (2200/1500) FanTaSy adding a few more vikings. Seven broods are being morphed. Ultralisk cavern for HyuN. FanTaSy scans and barely misses the brood lords. Brood lords siege the turrets at the gold. FanTaSy unseiges and attacks the army head-on. All of the vikings are abducted by the 8+ vipers and FanTaSy loses nearly all of them. Mass tank-only in tank mode manages to kill the army of HyuN. FanTaSy goes for a counterattack with tons of tanks. Ultralisks being remade.
23:00 FanTaSy 128 vs HyuN 166 Ultralisks kill off FanTaSy's entire tank army since it was just shoved towards HyuN's bases. Some vipers are killed by seeker missiles. FanTaSy rebuilds enough to hold off anything HyuN might try. HyuN taking a sixth base. FanTaSy is on 5 + one gas in the center.
25:00 FanTaSy 192 (1900/1600) vs HyuN 193 (700/2000) FanTaSy adding lots of cloaked banshees to his army. HyuN positioning his army outside FanTaSy's gold/fifth setup. Second spire for HyuN. Four command centers in production for FanTaSy. Banshees are revealed in trying to kill some hydralisks. Pathogen glands being upgraded by HyuN. Cloaked banshees move towards the fourth of HyuN and kill it.
27:00 FanTaSy 199 (3700/3800) vs HyuN 192 (4700/400) Some of the banshees are killed. HyuN rebuilding his fourth base. Battlecruisers are being made, awww yes. HyuN getting a few more ultralisks.
29:00 FanTaSy 199 (4500/4900) vs HyuN 199 (5600/4700) HyuN loses about 10 drones to hellions but kills the hellions. HyuN tries a funny looking attack on the fifth but is deflected without too many loses. HyuN going straight for the fourth base, where FanTaSy has four engineering bays. This attack obviously does not work too well. FanTaSy sacs 30 workers into HyuN's main base.
31:00 FanTaSy 199 (1900/2100) vs HyuN 199 (4000/4000) HyuN trying to take the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy goes after it with banshees . HyuN breaks open the gold base but loses quite a few units in the process. Some battlecruisers are abducted and killed. FanTaSy just retreats. HyuN attacks and kills most of the tanks/BCs/ravens but loses brood lords and vipers.
35:00 FanTaSy 178 vs HyuN 165 (400/3700) FanTaSy inching towards the 6 o'clock. Ravens being remade. HyuN got a bunch of vipers and is trying to get ultralisks. FanTaSy secures the 6 o'clock and drops 13 mules.
37:00 FanTaSy 186 vs HyuN 179 HyuN moving towards the natural with some hydralisks/ultralisks. FanTaSy responds and HyuN traps four BCs, killing them. HyuN moves towards the 6 o'clock of fantasy and starts slicing up tanks/turrets. FanTaSy manages to hold onto everything.
39:00 FanTaSy 185 vs HyuN 199 (500/4200) HyuN going for the main base of fantasy with more hydra/ultralisk. HyuN goes directly for the 6 o'clock of FanTaSy but the terran defends in time. More ultralisk/hydra being made. Infestors are also being added for HyuN. HyuN has had the 12 o'clock for a while as well. FanTaSy moving right onto creep, killing nearly all the vipers immediately. Yamato cannons get ultralisks and queens. HyuN goes for an attack which is neatly crushed by FanTaSy. HyuN fungals a number of vikings/ravens but loses them to seeker missiles. Suddenly HyuN has no units and no minerals.
43:00 FanTaSy 171 vs HyuN 115 (600/2400) A few mutalisks go for FanTaSy's main base and grab a tank. FanTaSy has locked down his six o'clock but really isn't doing that much at the moment. Infestors being rebuilt for HyuN. HyuN is not mining at all from his center base, but is from the 12 o'clock. Vikings chase after the mutalisks and force them to retreat. HyuN starts mining from the center base, which FanTaSy scans.
45:00 FanTaSy 182 vs HyuN 160 FanTaSy goes for the center base of HyuN and kills it. Some abducts go on the vikings but vipers are exchanged for them. 6 vipers are being remade. HyuN moves towards the top left. FanTaSy attacking the 12 o'clock base with tanks and his air army. HyuN moving down, killing the 6 o'clock base. FanTaSy gets the 12 o'clock base. HyuN is not mining minerals.
49:00 FanTaSy 161 vs HyuN 162 HyuN re-establishes mining at the center base. FanTaSy goes for his own center base. Some mules are landed at FanTaSy's base. HyuN is rebuilding more hydra/ultralisks.
51:00 FanTaSy 163 vs HyuN 169 FanTaSy moving his entire army towards the center of the map. HyuN moves out to greet him and FanTaSy backs up. HyuN is also taking the 6 o'clock. HyuN smashes up against an empty mineral line at FanTaSy's center base but backs off before losing anything of note. FanTaSy only has ten SCVs. Most of them are mining gas at his center base. Nothing is actually happening at the moment.
53:00 FanTaSy 188 vs HyuN 186 FanTaSy is still trying to push through the center but HyuN is still there. HyuN swings up to the mineral line of the top center and kills three SCVs. FanTaSy holds it and moves towards the bottom but HyuN is attacking again. HyuN kills the base. FanTaSy moving towards HyuN's center base which is the last one still mining significantly. 20 drones are eviscerated. HyuN is taking the 12 o'clock. FanTaSy is mining somewhere with one SCV. FanTaSy goes straight for an attack with his tanks useiged and there's this huge cluster of things. Enough seekers and yamatos land on the hydralisks that FanTaSy cleans up the army of HyuN.
57:00 FanTaSy 102 vs HyuN 44 HyuN is in shambles. The last units of HyuN get caught and HyuN GG's! FanTaSy wins 3-2 and is going to blizzcon!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
13%
★★★ - Good game (3)
6%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (14)
26%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (10)
19%
54 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Game 5?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
13%
★★★ - Good game (3)
6%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (14)
26%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (10)
19%
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Your vote: Recommend Game 5?
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On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
so there's a map that has a specific very late game build that is good. Why are people letting it play out to that then? It's not like BL infestor worked fantastically on A map.
The fact that we can look at that game and identify a thousand million things that both Fantasy and HyuN did wrong proves how difficult it is to play this style from both sides. That's a very very good thing.
That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
Terrible?.....for me as a viewer was so damn good.Games like this can only occur when both players are making mistakes and neither of them are felling comfortable in their play. Some of the best games ever in sc2 where the ones when BOTH the players are playin weird as fuck with apparently no logic.
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
sounds like you are the real pro gamer here...
The classical "you gotta be able to do it to criticize it".
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
While obnoxious, bl infestor was only doable from 14:00+, protoss immortal sentry allins and terrans 11minute? pushes were very capable of winning vs better zerg players. Zerg does not really have any consistent or strong allins, and if the terran is able to turtle they should win everytime. Mech also works on every map, but for bridgehead, but that map is as zerg favored as steppes or jungle basin is terran favored...
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
sounds like you are the real pro gamer here...
The classical "you gotta be able to do it to criticize it".
Deep.
well they both played really good in my opinion... surely they made both several misstakes but that was due to pressure I guess.
calling Hyun below-average player is really just stupid...
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
sounds like you are the real pro gamer here...
The classical "you gotta be able to do it to criticize it".
Deep.
well they both played really good in my opinion... surely they made both several misstakes but that was due to pressure I guess.
calling Hyun below-average player is really just stupid...
Agreed. You can only really call them below average if you compare them to the top 15-20 players.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
While obnoxious, bl infestor was only doable from 14:00+, protoss immortal sentry allins and terrans 11minute? pushes were very capable of winning vs better zerg players. Zerg does not really have any consistent or strong allins, and if the terran is able to turtle they should win everytime. Mech also works on every map, but for bridgehead, but that map is as zerg favored as steppes or jungle basin is terran favored...
why does bl infestor always get brought up in these conversations? who cares? (not you duckk i mean the terrans who bring it up as a defense)
i didn't even play sc2 in wol and yet some terrans seem to think that somehow i deserve to play against mech because of an imba composition that doesn't exist anymore o_O
btw i dont think mech is imba right now but its horrible to watch and play against for sure
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2.
Because the HotS TvZ so-called “mech” has little do to with SC1 mech
On October 06 2015 20:43 CptMarvel wrote: That was an utterly terrible game. I don't understand how Fantasy's BW mech skills have so poorly translated to SC2. The positioning and decision making in the last 25mins of this were god awful. And I have nothing against HyuN but he really is a below-average player right now.
sounds like you are the real pro gamer here...
The classical "you gotta be able to do it to criticize it".
Deep.
well they both played really good in my opinion... surely they made both several misstakes but that was due to pressure I guess.
calling Hyun below-average player is really just stupid...
I didn't mean below-average as in silver league level, I meant below the current progaming sphere average.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate
kinda bummed out about HyuN losing, but lolmaps I guess
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate
kinda bummed out about HyuN losing, but lolmaps I guess
Earnings between 1.4.3 patch and HOTS release (period of 10 months): 44,750 euro
Earnings between Hots and December 2014 retirement (period of 20 months): 53,881 euro
He is not a patch zerg in the sense of many that thrived during BL/Infestor, as he experienced moderate success in HOTS, albeit at a far lower rate than in Wings of Liberty, but your tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate assertion is simply untrue. The patch is responsible for his initial success and nearly 45% of his winnings.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Vortix doesn't need bl/infestor to beat Korean terrans lol
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
That's not my argument and you know that, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do this, but of course numbers to the argument exist. Let's use a GSL metric: best competition was the GSL, and protoss was clearly less dominant in terms of GSL Ro4s than zerg or terran ever was. Because it's the best competition, it's clearly the most representative of the state of the game, and so protoss was less dominant over the two other races because soO made a bunch of finals! The argument makes logical sense. It's pointless though. Which was my point.
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
That's not my argument and you know that, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do this, but of course numbers to the argument exist. Let's use a GSL metric: best competition was the GSL, and protoss was clearly less dominant in terms of GSL Ro4s than zerg or terran ever was. Because it's the best competition, it's clearly the most representative of the state of the game, and so protoss was less dominant over the two other races because soO made a bunch of finals! The argument makes logical sense. It's pointless though. Which was my point.
So again, you give no numbers here. If you don't want to arugment it please don't half-arse it stating something that I have to double-check to see if you even did your homework. Just don't argue it to begin with then and just say that you think the discussion is pointless. Which I can partly agree with, but I'm really fed up with this story of 200% winrate for 25years BL/Infestor. And every month that lies in between us and this era someone adds another 5% and another 3months to his made up notion of how the end of WoL looked like. It's getting ridiculous.
On October 06 2015 20:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote] Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
That's not my argument and you know that, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do this, but of course numbers to the argument exist. Let's use a GSL metric: best competition was the GSL, and protoss was clearly less dominant in terms of GSL Ro4s than zerg or terran ever was. Because it's the best competition, it's clearly the most representative of the state of the game, and so protoss was less dominant over the two other races because soO made a bunch of finals! The argument makes logical sense. It's pointless though. Which was my point.
So again, you give no numbers here. If you don't want to arugment it please don't half-arse it stating something that I have to double-check to see if you even did your homework. Just don't argue it to begin with then and just say that you think the discussion is pointless. Which I can partly agree with, but I'm really fed up with this story of 200% winrate for 25years BL/Infestor. And every month that lies in between us and this era someone adds another 5% and another 3months to his made up notion of how the end of WoL looked like. It's getting ridiculous.
In most of the metrics that matter to me, GomTvT was much worse than GomZvZ. Now the community perceives GomZvZ as worse because of a few things that aren't related to maths;
- Games are more repetitive (or perceived as such) than in other periods. - Terran is losing (and has been losing for the longest at that point). - The notion that Korean terrans are just better than other players and so they'll just win no matter what is shattered. - The domination is fairly large (both in terms of player losing vs player and in terms of tournament playoffs numbers). - There is no fight against the notion that the game is bad, everyone pretty much accepts the idea, so the idea goes around. - Blizzard isn't doing anything
You can choose to ignore any of the above. I do. But you can't really change it.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate
kinda bummed out about HyuN losing, but lolmaps I guess
Earnings between 1.4.3 patch and HOTS release (period of 10 months): 44,750 euro
Earnings between Hots and December 2014 retirement (period of 20 months): 53,881 euro
He is not a patch zerg in the sense of many that thrived during BL/Infestor, as he experienced moderate success in HOTS, albeit at a far lower rate than in Wings of Liberty, but your tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate assertion is simply untrue. The patch is responsible for his initial success and nearly 45% of his winnings.
So huk is a patch protoss, thorzain a patch terran, foreigner x is a patch x since they obviously earned more money a few years ago than they do now
Anyone who watched Vortix play in HOTS knows his skill was real and not dependant on a patch.
On October 07 2015 05:58 WrathSCII wrote: How did we go from Tiebreaker WCS Global Finals into BL Infestor discussion?
Mech is considered imbalanced, people aren't happy with just calling it imbalanced - it always needs to be superlative. The most imbalanced, the worst period in the game. Yada, yada, quickly derailed.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate
kinda bummed out about HyuN losing, but lolmaps I guess
Earnings between 1.4.3 patch and HOTS release (period of 10 months): 44,750 euro
Earnings between Hots and December 2014 retirement (period of 20 months): 53,881 euro
He is not a patch zerg in the sense of many that thrived during BL/Infestor, as he experienced moderate success in HOTS, albeit at a far lower rate than in Wings of Liberty, but your tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate assertion is simply untrue. The patch is responsible for his initial success and nearly 45% of his winnings.
So huk is a patch protoss, thorzain a patch terran, foreigner x is a patch x since they obviously earned more money a few years ago than they do now
Anyone who watched Vortix play in HOTS knows his skill was real and not dependant on a patch.
this doesn't make any sense at all.
Vortix overstepped himself after hots release and huk and thorzain did basically nothing result wise after their era of success
On October 07 2015 05:58 WrathSCII wrote: How did we go from Tiebreaker WCS Global Finals into BL Infestor discussion?
Mech is considered imbalanced, people aren't happy with just calling it imbalanced - it always needs to be superlative. The most imbalanced, the worst period in the game. Yada, yada, quickly derailed.
People who think the BL Infestor era to be the worst period in the game needs a reality check. Close position Metalopolis says hello!!!
On October 06 2015 20:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote] Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
That's not my argument and you know that, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do this, but of course numbers to the argument exist. Let's use a GSL metric: best competition was the GSL, and protoss was clearly less dominant in terms of GSL Ro4s than zerg or terran ever was. Because it's the best competition, it's clearly the most representative of the state of the game, and so protoss was less dominant over the two other races because soO made a bunch of finals! The argument makes logical sense. It's pointless though. Which was my point.
So again, you give no numbers here. If you don't want to arugment it please don't half-arse it stating something that I have to double-check to see if you even did your homework. Just don't argue it to begin with then and just say that you think the discussion is pointless. Which I can partly agree with, but I'm really fed up with this story of 200% winrate for 25years BL/Infestor. And every month that lies in between us and this era someone adds another 5% and another 3months to his made up notion of how the end of WoL looked like. It's getting ridiculous.
BL/Infestor doesn't need to be "mythicalized" to be the most scandalous era in SC2's collective memory. I still can't believe how many Zergs were persistently saying it was balanced (let alone interesting to watch, I've seen that too) at the time. We even had a KOREAN CRY IMBALANCE on a high level televized match for heavens sake !
On October 07 2015 05:58 WrathSCII wrote: How did we go from Tiebreaker WCS Global Finals into BL Infestor discussion?
Mech is considered imbalanced, people aren't happy with just calling it imbalanced - it always needs to be superlative. The most imbalanced, the worst period in the game. Yada, yada, quickly derailed.
People who think the BL Infestor era to be the worst period in the game needs a reality check. Close position Metalopolis says hello!!!
game was way too volatile when metalopolis was around, new strategies emerged every week.
gglord winfestor was stuck in the loop for a year, and there was no metagame escape out of it. the closest things were "kill him before he gets there" timings as protoss and a byun opinion that it can be beaten with battlecruisers (that never really happened in tournaments though).
Honestly mech is as imba as Broodlord-Infestor. With Broodlord-Infestor, we still have the opportunity to die while trying to kill Zerg before they reach that composition. With mech, good luck trying to break it.
Honestly mech is as imba as Broodlord-Infestor. With Broodlord-Infestor, we still have the opportunity to die while trying to kill Zerg before they reach that composition. With mech, good luck trying to break it.
Lol people are still balance debating when lots comes out in a month, you guys are just too much.
On October 06 2015 20:37 yip.man wrote: Cancer mech so disgusting
I'd personally rather watch a game like that as opposed to say BL infestor or blink allins
Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate
kinda bummed out about HyuN losing, but lolmaps I guess
Earnings between 1.4.3 patch and HOTS release (period of 10 months): 44,750 euro
Earnings between Hots and December 2014 retirement (period of 20 months): 53,881 euro
He is not a patch zerg in the sense of many that thrived during BL/Infestor, as he experienced moderate success in HOTS, albeit at a far lower rate than in Wings of Liberty, but your tying Vortix's success to BL/infestor is very inaccurate assertion is simply untrue. The patch is responsible for his initial success and nearly 45% of his winnings.
So huk is a patch protoss, thorzain a patch terran, foreigner x is a patch x since they obviously earned more money a few years ago than they do now
Anyone who watched Vortix play in HOTS knows his skill was real and not dependant on a patch.
There was a patch that benefitted Vortix and other zergs right around the time he started doing well. The same cannot be said of HuK or Thorzain.
On October 07 2015 05:58 WrathSCII wrote: How did we go from Tiebreaker WCS Global Finals into BL Infestor discussion?
Mech is considered imbalanced, people aren't happy with just calling it imbalanced - it always needs to be superlative. The most imbalanced, the worst period in the game. Yada, yada, quickly derailed.
People who think the BL Infestor era to be the worst period in the game needs a reality check. Close position Metalopolis says hello!!!
game was way too volatile when metalopolis was around, new strategies emerged every week.
gglord winfestor was stuck in the loop for a year, and there was no metagame escape out of it. the closest things were "kill him before he gets there" timings as protoss and a byun opinion that it can be beaten with battlecruisers (that never really happened in tournaments though).
In the extremely lategame scenario Terran almost always beat Zerg. The problem was, it was near impossible to get there, because from the point that Zerg got BL/infestor they were insanely strong and it was hard for Terran to fight back at all let alone spare extra resources to build up. However, in the situations where Terran was allowed to build up, they almost never lost with BC/raven/Viking, ghosts optional.
On October 07 2015 05:58 WrathSCII wrote: How did we go from Tiebreaker WCS Global Finals into BL Infestor discussion?
Mech is considered imbalanced, people aren't happy with just calling it imbalanced - it always needs to be superlative. The most imbalanced, the worst period in the game. Yada, yada, quickly derailed.
People who think the BL Infestor era to be the worst period in the game needs a reality check. Close position Metalopolis says hello!!!
game was way too volatile when metalopolis was around, new strategies emerged every week.
gglord winfestor was stuck in the loop for a year, and there was no metagame escape out of it. the closest things were "kill him before he gets there" timings as protoss and a byun opinion that it can be beaten with battlecruisers (that never really happened in tournaments though).
In the extremely lategame scenario Terran almost always beat Zerg. The problem was, it was near impossible to get there, because from the point that Zerg got BL/infestor they were insanely strong and it was hard for Terran to fight back at all let alone spare extra resources to build up. However, in the situations where Terran was allowed to build up, they almost never lost with BC/raven/Viking, ghosts optional.
that wasn't really helpful when zerg got an advantage into the lategame every single game. yes protoss also almost never lost vs zerg with 0 probes and 200 supply 3-3 carriers.
On October 06 2015 20:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote] Mech on Terraform and BL/Infestor feel very very similar to me.
BL/Infestor was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. Just thank the lord everyday that this is over.
It worked on every map. Against every race guys. It was objectively worse, no discussion.
BL/Infestor is still the worst, worse than mechvz, blink allins, swarmhosts, skytoss, etc. More OP, was the goal in every game regardless of matchup.
Numbers would suggest otherwise, but whatever. Who cares about numbers.
Are you trolling?
During the peak of BL Infestor, Zerg had the highest winning record for ELEVEN STRAIGHT MONTHS. A record that is still unmatched to this day. Remember foriegn players like Johnnyreccor, Goswser, and Vortix? Well, they were more than capable of beating Korean Terrans with broodlord/infestor. Zerg players ELO ratings SKYROCKETED in the months following the dawn of the brood lord infestor era (Queen range buff). It was the darkest time in SC2, there literally wasn't a counter to the playstyle and Zergs won the majority of premier tournaments for nearly a year.
What do numbers say about the imbalance of mech in TvZ? That Terran has a 43% winrate against Zerg in proleague? That overall, Terran had a losing record against Zerg in August and September: winrates of 47.8% and 48.17% respectively? That Terran has won less than half as many premier tournaments as Zerg has in 2015?
Please, enlighten me with your "numbers."
Look at 2013-2014 blink era. Protoss won more tournaments and a higher percentage of tournaments than zerg in their 2012-13 bl/infestor era. In the 9month between Dear winning GSL and Pigbaby winning WCS AM Protoss won 17 of 24 tournaments (liquipedia count plus blizzcon 2013 and WCS S3 Global 2013 finals which aren't listed) including every WCS tournament except for one WCS AM, Blizzcon, and that superstacked 100k IEM WC. It was only repaired with a variety of patches from tons of MsC nerfs, hydralisk buff, and multiple WM buffs that basically more than doubled the damage of the mine against protoss.
In basically whatever time frame you take for the BL/Infestor (usually May12-Feb13 but it's not like the playstyle wasn't known before the queen patch, nor that the queen patch in May immidiatly made zerg win everything, MC vs Seed GSL finals says hello), zerg didn't even make 50% tournament wins. In fact, as imbalanced as it was in late 2012 and early 2013, early 2012 was extremely terran dominated and mid-late 2012 was the best era protoss ever had in Wings of Liberty. Tournamentwise 2012 was the most balanced year WoL ever had, though it was obviously split between terran domination early and Zerg domination late with a very high amount of protoss wins too.
What this has to do with Mech? Well nothing. You may want to reread what I responded to, because that post explicitely named BL/Infestor worse than the blink era. Where I stepped in and said that his statement is wrong numberswise. The rest of the story is told.
Metrics are used to fit narratives. I could argue blink era was much better, as in all of the tournaments you mentioned, the Ro4 was never full P, when it was full Z or close to full Z so many times in BLi and GomTvT. Also a lot more finals were non-mirror when compared to other periods of dominance.
See what I did there? Well, I did not much. Domination is domination, as far as I can tell. I don't really know why these ideas come back now, tho, as the game has arguably never been as fair as it is today.
No you can't. Because you present no metric. I presented numbers, you don't. Why? I don't know, maybe because the numbers to your arugments don't exist?! For example in BL/Inf we had 7 ZvZ finals, in the blink era it was 6 PvP finals. That's your "a lot more" metric that I have researched for you now. Do the others yourself and you may have a narrative. But don't talk out of your ass with nothing in your hands.
That's not my argument and you know that, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to do this, but of course numbers to the argument exist. Let's use a GSL metric: best competition was the GSL, and protoss was clearly less dominant in terms of GSL Ro4s than zerg or terran ever was. Because it's the best competition, it's clearly the most representative of the state of the game, and so protoss was less dominant over the two other races because soO made a bunch of finals! The argument makes logical sense. It's pointless though. Which was my point.
So again, you give no numbers here. If you don't want to arugment it please don't half-arse it stating something that I have to double-check to see if you even did your homework. Just don't argue it to begin with then and just say that you think the discussion is pointless. Which I can partly agree with, but I'm really fed up with this story of 200% winrate for 25years BL/Infestor. And every month that lies in between us and this era someone adds another 5% and another 3months to his made up notion of how the end of WoL looked like. It's getting ridiculous.
It would help if you actually read people's arguments.
scroll to the bottom and look at the monthly winrates since 2010 for each race:
If you notice, between May 2012 and February 2013, Zerg had the highest winrate every month. Oh and guess what, the Queen buff patch came out in May 2012, and HOTS was released in March 2013 This 10 month span is by far the longest period of racial dominance in the history of SC2. Even when the game initially came out, in it's most imbalanced and volatile state-- when maps like Steppes of War and Desert Oasis were in the map pool-- Terran only had the best winrate for the first 7 months.
People aren't exaggerating. You literally offer no evidence to support your claims.
On October 07 2015 12:00 geokilla wrote: Honestly mech is as imba as Broodlord-Infestor. With Broodlord-Infestor, we still have the opportunity to die while trying to kill Zerg before they reach that composition. With mech, good luck trying to break it.
Mech is so imbat that TvZ < 50% in 6 of last 7 months.
On October 07 2015 21:46 cheekymonkey wrote: Are there VODS for this? I can only see the GSL finals in the vod tab.
It's linked in the OP.
It wasn't working at first, so I got confused.
Anyway, I'm surprised at the terrible vod quality. A lot of stuttering, and low video resolution. I didn't see it live, but the vod is nowhere near 1080p. They better step it up, I'll gladly pay for the kind of vod system gom once had (before twitch), and I'ld love ACTUAL 1080p.
Have they said anything about whether vods will be free in the future?
EPT
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