EPT[WCS] Playoffs Day 1 - Season 3 2015 - Page 134
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 13 2015 06:15 Shellshock wrote: Glad I came back in time to make liquibets. Talk about no notice Edit oh good they aren't today There usually aren't liquibets unless there are 24+ hours available to place bets. I'm sorta surprised these were done. | ||
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MorDka
Poland543 Posts
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Hughgrant
32 Posts
And so fucking happy for Mana , that was awesome . Love sc2 | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On September 13 2015 08:41 MorDka wrote: Does MaNa have any real chances with getting to blizzcon? you should join the discussion here for Blizzcon qualification stuff http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471444-wcs-predictor-2015 here are some situations where he can or can't make it to Blizzcon, if he doesn't win WCS then he has no chance + Show Spoiler [Events] + 0.52% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 1st place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 99.94% 0.52% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 2nd place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 87.95% 0.97% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 4th place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 70.76% 4.24% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 32nd place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 0% 2.81% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 16th place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 0% 1.71% of the time. MaNa gets 1st place in WCS Premier Season 3 and MaNa gets 8th place in DreamHack Stockholm This would change MaNa's chances from 1.66% to 0% | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Wrath
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The_Red_Viper
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Lilbow is also overhyped as fuck | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 13 2015 13:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: People don't understand that code s koreans are way better than koreans competing in wcs i guess. Lilbow is also overhyped as fuck Actually....Hydra is right up there with some of the better Koreans as he has placed 2nd in some decently stacked tournaments....thinking the Gfinitys. And, although not at the highest level, I would say that Hydra is a code s lvl player. So, for Lilbow to beat Hydra, Jaedong, and ForGG, I would currently rank him among the lower-middle koreans. Lets be honest, how many notable mid-low level Koreans would we actually rank as that good? Lilbow vs innovation, well yeah, but what about Lilbow vs Hyun, or Symbol or...Bravo? Would probably go the Koreans' way, but I think the match would be closer. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On September 13 2015 15:12 FrkFrJss wrote: Actually....Hydra is right up there with some of the better Koreans as he has placed 2nd in some decently stacked tournaments....thinking the Gfinitys. And, although not at the highest level, I would say that Hydra is a code s lvl player. So, for Lilbow to beat Hydra, Jaedong, and ForGG, I would currently rank him among the lower-middle koreans. Lets be honest, how many notable mid-low level Koreans would we actually rank as that good? Lilbow vs innovation, well yeah, but what about Lilbow vs Hyun, or Symbol or...Bravo? Would probably go the Koreans' way, but I think the match would be closer. If I'll be fair with Lilbow, I guess the maximum thing he will ever achieve is Code A, that is like the top maximum he can ever achieve. But don't even dream about Code S at all. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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CheddarToss
534 Posts
Leonidas would have been proud. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 13 2015 15:59 OtherWorld wrote: I can't believe how some people are so narrow-minded and can't accept that someone who is not only a Korean, but also a "true" Korean (ie born and raised at KeSPA and never going to Foreignland), could ever be part of the elite class of Code S players. Well, get real, guys. PenguiN made Code S. MC made Code S. RagnaroK made Code S. Sleep made Code S. Pigbaby made Code S. Trust, Stork, Hack made Code S. Making Code S once is not that big of an achievement, and yes, all the foreign hopes we had in HotS (Stephano, NaNiwa, Scarlett, Snute, Lilbow) could have made Code S at their peak. At least I think so ; the sad thing being that it can't be proved. The amount of foreigner bashing, shit posting and general negativism in the WCS LR threads lately have been depressing. Hardly checking in anymore. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On September 13 2015 15:59 OtherWorld wrote: I can't believe how some people are so narrow-minded and can't accept that someone who is not only a Korean, but also a "true" Korean (ie born and raised at KeSPA and never going to Foreignland), could ever be part of the elite class of Code S players. Well, get real, guys. PenguiN made Code S. MC made Code S. RagnaroK made Code S. Sleep made Code S. Pigbaby made Code S. Trust, Stork, Hack made Code S. Making Code S once is not that big of an achievement, and yes, all the foreign hopes we had in HotS (Stephano, NaNiwa, Scarlett, Snute, Lilbow) could have made Code S at their peak. At least I think so ; the sad thing being that it can't be proved. The top couple of foreigners are always around Code S Ro32/Ro16 level. The difference no one likes to talk about is the gap between Championship Contention and "Code S" is actually pretty big. No foreigner has the professional coaching behind them to with a GSL/SSL event, though. And that's actually been the biggest gulf between the top Koreans and top Foreigners. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 13 2015 13:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: People don't understand that code s koreans are way better than koreans competing in wcs i guess. Lilbow is also overhyped as fuck While ForGG may be worlds ahead of the rest of the players here,in sc2 all you need sometimes is a build order win, no matter if you have the same skill or don't. That counts for every race ofc, in case someone wants to lay this out as anti protoss whine. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On September 13 2015 18:26 Rollora wrote: While ForGG may be worlds ahead of the rest of the players here,in sc2 all you need sometimes is a build order win, no matter if you have the same skill or don't. That counts for every race ofc, in case someone wants to lay this out as anti protoss whine. Why would you say that ForGG is worlds ahead of the rest? It is the first time he reaches the semis this year. Season one he got knocked out in the quarter finals and in season two he finished last in his group in Ro16. This season he has already lost to Lilbow. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On September 13 2015 19:21 BaneRiders wrote: Why would you say that ForGG is worlds ahead of the rest? It is the first time he reaches the semis this year. Season one he got knocked out in the quarter finals and in season two he finished last in his group in Ro16. This season he has already lost to Lilbow. Oh maybe old memories. But as far as I remember he lost mostly due to build order wins, allins, not because his mechanics were worse | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On September 13 2015 15:45 WrathSCII wrote: If I'll be fair with Lilbow, I guess the maximum thing he will ever achieve is Code A, that is like the top maximum he can ever achieve. But don't even dream about Code S at all. No I definitely think he could achieve code S with some bracket luck, it's only 3 matches to win after all. But we shouldn't care, points in Korea are far too hard to get for any foreigner to try his chance in Korea nowadays -sadly. I miss the times when Korea was the Mecca of esports and NaNiwa, HuK, MaNa, Thorzain, etc were all fighting like demons in code A because even a code S ro32 was the pinnacle. I wish more people would get Korea seeds like Snute in S2SL, even if they have to get slaughtered by the likes of INnoVation and Classic. I'd be really hyped for the storylines. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On September 13 2015 16:50 BaneRiders wrote: The amount of foreigner bashing, shit posting and general negativism in the WCS LR threads lately have been depressing. Hardly checking in anymore. It isn't negativity to report that Foreigners are still WAY behind top Koreans, it's simply an observation of fact. The WCS Finals will showcase this as they always tend to. There isn't a player that has qualified from WCS Premier that will have even a remote chance of winning against the guys qualifying from Korea. It's a fact, WCS will prove it. The tournament taking place now is utterly meaningless. Regardless of who wins, it doesn't affect who will win Blizzcon, all it affects is who will qualify. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On September 13 2015 20:59 Vindicare605 wrote: It isn't negativity to report that Foreigners are still WAY behind top Koreans, it's simply an observation of fact. The WCS Finals will showcase this as they always tend to. There isn't a player that has qualified from WCS Premier that will have even a remote chance of winning against the guys qualifying from Korea. It's a fact, WCS will prove it. The tournament taking place now is utterly meaningless. Regardless of who wins, it doesn't affect who will win Blizzcon, all it affects is who will qualify. Makes people happy, helps foreign scene, so overall it's great and beneficial. Quality of the games and of the players it qualifies for Blizzcon instead of Korea based household names, of course, is just not there. | ||
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