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After yesterday's perfect set of circumstances, I believe that HerO wins today, sending my FPL team finally into negative values.
I don't really understand the logic of coach choices however. Why play a zerg on Echo at all, the map has a henious 3rd location and PvZ is hell when a well executed attack goes through the dividing lowground.
On July 21 2015 18:33 opisska wrote: After yesterday's perfect set of circumstances, I believe that HerO wins today, sending my FPL team finally into negative values.
I don't really understand the logic of coach choices however. Why play a zerg on Echo at all, the map has a henious 3rd location and PvZ is hell when a well executed attack goes through the dividing lowground.
very likely to send Gumiho there and Curious would probably eat him alive
On July 21 2015 18:33 opisska wrote: After yesterday's perfect set of circumstances, I believe that HerO wins today, sending my FPL team finally into negative values.
I don't really understand the logic of coach choices however. Why play a zerg on Echo at all, the map has a henious 3rd location and PvZ is hell when a well executed attack goes through the dividing lowground.
very likely to send Gumiho there and Curious would probably eat him alive
Oh yeah, so it's a case of we know that you know that we know ...
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On July 21 2015 18:57 Elentos wrote: I was hoping Curious would switch his Proleague theme to something more... lively now that he's won a premier tournament.
What song does he still have? Can't remember and missed it.
Curious is a really impressive player in my opinion. Middling for years, and getting older at the same time working harder than ever in the toughest environment and really achieving the most of his abilities. Respect
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On July 21 2015 19:08 Alucen-Will- wrote: I don't understand why you would do this build without sentries at least? Let alone blink. It doesn't make any sense to me
He had some 7-8 sentries, they just all died.
and now my evil plan unfolds. Hero is gonna be so tilted from this game and go on a losing streak.
On July 21 2015 19:07 Ej_ wrote: oh it's just 11gate all-in?
Everything's better with 11 gateways
Do you remember that game when SD took super quick 3rd in WCS vs Snute and then just did 11gate all-in after that? It was like 4gate +1, but with 7 more gateways
I refuse to call any Protoss all-in bad. When one fails, I just assume we're living in the one universe where it didn't work, but it worked in all other parallel universes.
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ugh, should have just macroed
Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story
I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.
On July 21 2015 19:07 Ej_ wrote: oh it's just 11gate all-in?
Everything's better with 11 gateways
Do you remember that game when SD took super quick 3rd in WCS vs Snute and then just did 11gate all-in after that? It was like 4gate +1, but with 7 more gateways
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ugh, should have just macroed
Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story
I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.
What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ugh, should have just macroed
Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story
I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.
What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?
He did an empty third all in. The idea is to kill drones/queens with the zealot warpin or at the very worst force a roach warren (you can't all in ling/hydra with this) -> then kill drones with the oracle -> then hit the attack. After killing 20 drones, the zerg can't really outproduce you and you should overwhelm them in the long run. HerO would have done that too, just needed to take better fights
I don't think the build was necessarily bad, I just like it better with a blink transition. Let Curious have his hive, it's pretty useless after losing 20 drones anyway. You can kill roach/hydra/viper with pure stalker/sentry from that spot.
On July 21 2015 19:08 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ugh, should have just macroed
Or just add Blink somewhere, it would have been a whole other story
I mean, you can't hit the anti hive timing if you tech to blink after the oracles, but I think if you just macro on pure blink/sentry you win anyway. Roach/hydra viper is hilariously weak after you lose 20 drones.
What exactly is the value of doing the build HerO tried? Wouldn't it be better to just do an empty third base timing at 10:00 or a +2 blink 3 base stalker build>?
He did an empty third all in. The idea is to kill drones/queens with the zealot warpin or at the very worst force a roach warren (you can't all in ling/hydra with this) -> then kill drones with the oracle -> then hit the attack. After killing 20 drones, the zerg can't really outproduce you and you should overwhelm them in the long run. HerO would have done that too, just needed to take better fights
I don't think the build was necessarily bad, I just like it better with a blink transition. Let Curious have his hive, it's pretty useless after losing 20 drones anyway. You can kill roach/hydra/viper with pure stalker/sentry from that spot.
Since he opened oracle and then did the empty third base he also may be trying to to metagame the zerg (the almost universal way to play a generic macro build in the Korean PvZ meta is to open stargate) into thinking he wouldn't do a timing like that.
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On July 21 2015 19:29 deacon.frost wrote: Was it Leenock who lost similar game to mass blink stalkers? It was the dark map where Maru Myungsik happened.
Yes it was Leenock vs Myungsik on Deadwing as the ace match between Startale-yoe and Prime (which decided which team would be the first ever to go 0-7).
Sorry it was the first match I watched now today and not even from the beginning so I wondered: Was it the first match ever in Proleague or did he already play before?
On July 21 2015 19:29 deacon.frost wrote: Was it Leenock who lost similar game to mass blink stalkers? It was the dark map where Maru Myungsik happened.
Yes it was Leenock vs Myungsik on Deadwing as the ace match between Startale-yoe and Prime (which decided which team would be the first ever to go 0-7).
On July 21 2015 19:31 TrumpetWilli wrote: Sorry it was the first match I watched now today and not even from the beginning so I wondered: Was it the first match ever in Proleague or did he play before?
Blaze? Used to be called Panic and has played a few games before.
On July 21 2015 19:31 TrumpetWilli wrote: Sorry it was the first match I watched now today and not even from the beginning so I wondered: Was it the first match ever in Proleague or did he play before?
Blaze? Used to be called Panic and has played a few games before.
Guys remember the epic Leenock jjakji GSL finals? it kinda sad seeing them play in the same team at this level, like a shadow of their former selves...
I'm calling it as robbery of my FPL. What the fuck, jjakji, how is it possible to hold roach/bane with losing 4 SCVs and waiting until Zerg gets 80 drones and 4 bases.
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On July 21 2015 19:51 Nirel wrote: Guys remember the epic Leenock jjakji GSL finals? it kinda sad seeing them play in the same team at this level, like a shadow of their former selves...
The point is that Roro is at least hated by some, or just remembered because of his exceptional forgetability. What can you really tell me about Seed? I watch a fuckload of SC2 since like 2011 and I still have absolutely nothing to say about this guy.
On July 21 2015 20:07 opisska wrote: The point is that Roro is at least hated by some, or just remembered because of his exceptional forgetability. What can you really tell me about Seed? I watch a fuckload of SC2 since like 2011 and I still have absolutely nothing to say about this guy.
I honestly think Seed is a lot more forgettable than RorO. RorO was always a very consistent proleague player and was quite steady in individual leagues as well.
He was a PvP bonjwa and made MC look very stupid in the final. Thats how i remember Seed So many fans were sad that Seed won over MC, MC was one of the biggest favorites for a final i ever known too.
Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
Wait what I don't get it. You can show custom team decals + league decals in game without using any kind of fancy lobby afaik, now it's included in the game?
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
I think this was a feature in the GH maps (before the interface was upgraded)
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
Wait what I don't get it. You can show custom team decals + league decals in game without using any kind of fancy lobby afaik, now it's included in the game?
... OK, he was asking whether there is a mod where you can start the game and then start actually the game. IT was done by Gameheart previously. I am not sure whether it is done this way now, since I don't watch replay packs from tourneys(it usually loaded the lobby too).
Long story short - I don't think they are using something extra just because they are Koreans. I remember watching some IEM(?) replay pack where they had a lobby too
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
I think this was a feature in the GH maps (before the interface was upgraded)
OK, thanks, this was what I was trying to say. I didn't remember it was Gameheart or any other details, I care about the result, not the tool
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
Gameheart?
Gameheart was changed to not use the lobby anymore?
Wait what I don't get it. You can show custom team decals + league decals in game without using any kind of fancy lobby afaik, now it's included in the game?
... OK, he was asking whether there is a mod where you can start the game and then start actually the game. IT was done by Gameheart previously. I am not sure whether it is done this way now, since I don't watch replay packs from tourneys(it usually loaded the lobby too).
Long story short - I don't think they are using something extra just because they are Koreans. I remember watching some IEM(?) replay pack where they had a lobby too
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On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
SPOTV/Kespa uses a special extension mod to add a BW like post lobby countdown, you can search for Kespa in extension mod to try it yourself. The other tournaments uses the logos.sc2mod+WCS Gameheart method to add the team logo.
On July 21 2015 20:13 loko822 wrote: Does anyone know if its possible to use the same lobbies they use? Seems like they load the game, then still are in the lobby to use a countdown. Think I never seen that in other tourneys.
I think it's a special lobby that they are allowed to use only because they're Korean
Hmm, and how other tourneys do it when they are adding custom team decals in the game? I think their lobby looks similar but isn't shown
SPOTV/Kespa uses a special extension mod to add a BW like post lobby countdown, you can search for Kespa in extension mod to try it yourself. The other tournaments uses the logos.sc2mod+WCS Gameheart method to add the team logo.
On July 21 2015 19:28 digmouse wrote: The Curious hype train has crashed.
Oh I was fucking dumb, I thought Curious lost and Leenock won.
*No comrad Premier, it has only begun...*
2points for the one that knows who said this.
That's way too easy, keep in mind this is a community around an RTS game And the current game's director happened to be that game's lead designer.
I just thought it was a good quote to use. I also really like giving out points :D
On July 21 2015 20:52 opisska wrote: I for example never played any other RTS than starcraft.
I also had played only C&C for a longg time. I also knew virtually everyone in the C&C top (from Ra2 to CnC3) and don't know that many people here on SC boards (Apollo, Technique, have seen some others over the years). So I wasn't sure how many would remember
Yet another "WTF Choya?" ace match move... But on the bright side, Curious is definitely easily becoming one of the best Zerg players in the world Oo;;
Yet another "WTF Choya?" ace match move... But on the bright side, Curious is definitely easily becoming one of the best Zerg players in the world Oo;;
He deserves a great deal of praise for his persistence. I have come to admire him quite a bit in the last few months.
Yet another "WTF Choya?" ace match move... But on the bright side, Curious is definitely easily becoming one of the best Zerg players in the world Oo;;
That ace choice (Choyce?) is so confusing. Was he expecting a Terran? Doesn't make sense, jjakji threw a massive lead against DeParture, he'd certainly not come out, and he's the only Terran SBENU brought. So was he expecting DongRaeGu? If so, why'd Seed look so surprised?
Yet another "WTF Choya?" ace match move... But on the bright side, Curious is definitely easily becoming one of the best Zerg players in the world Oo;;
That ace choice (Choyce?) is so confusing. Was he expecting a Terran? Doesn't make sense, jjakji threw a massive lead against DeParture, he'd certainly not come out, and he's the only Terran SBENU brought. So was he expecting DongRaeGu? If so, why'd Seed look so surprised?
I'm not even sure who is the best selection, maybe Yonghwa?
Yet another "WTF Choya?" ace match move... But on the bright side, Curious is definitely easily becoming one of the best Zerg players in the world Oo;;
That ace choice (Choyce?) is so confusing. Was he expecting a Terran? Doesn't make sense, jjakji threw a massive lead against DeParture, he'd certainly not come out, and he's the only Terran SBENU brought. So was he expecting DongRaeGu? If so, why'd Seed look so surprised?
I'm not even sure who is the best selection, maybe Yonghwa?
I mean, you can expect DRG or Curious to come out for SBENU and the map is Cactus so YongHwa is an okay choice. Even giving HerO or Blaze another shot on that map doesn't sound too bad.
I would have liked Choya to go for the troll MarineKing choice. No way Curious would cheese him on Cactus Valley, so might as well have MarineKing macro for once.
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