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On July 05 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 05:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:38 OtherWorld wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
You people are completely overblowing Bridgehead's badness. Give it one month and it'll set a new standard for maps. It's not absolutely obvious, so please tell me this is sarcasm. It's not. Setting a new standard may be a bit overdoing it, but it is way better than what people make it sounds like. Just give it the time to develop its own meta and you'll see. I fail to see how P can macro on that map. Plus the incentives to go immortal all-in or proxy tempest in PvT and any all-in in PvZ are just huge. Do you think that'd be interesting meta ? What do you foresee that I'm too blind to understand ? I'd earnestly like to know what good you think that map can produce. When Ps will become too predictable with all-ins exploiting the backdoor, their T or Z opponents will tailor their builds to counter it. Then Ps will find a way to open safely again. And you can macro as a P, you just need a very good map vision and presence. Basically that means spending money into pylons/obs/zealots to spot the main paths, and you need to be able to exploit the moments when the T/Z army will be at the choke points. Terrain and thus map control is way more essential on Bridgehead than on most maps, and I think that a P who holds the center and have observers near the bridges near the backdoors would be very hard to beat. It is very interesting, too, to notice that there is very little airspace, which greatly reduces the efficiency of drops. I can't see the future and can't predict how the meta will develop ofc, and maybe it will turn out to be a complete failure. But I can see some funky meta developing on this map. I can see, for example, Zergs taking the third and fourth as second and third bases in ZvT and ZvP, and Terrans taking the same bases in TvP.
nah in PvZ you just die to proxy hatchery
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On July 05 2015 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Grubby trolling in French on his stream was golden.
[Grubby] Grubby: Tu aimes la moutarde ?
[Grubby] Grubby: Le petit chat veut une baguette.
Don't make me cry by reminding me Grubby once played a game I was interested in ):
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Zanster at 70/110 supply. Top tier macro.
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This HSC is really missing Nightend and MC
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On July 05 2015 06:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Grubby trolling in French on his stream was golden.
[Grubby] Grubby: Tu aimes la moutarde ?
[Grubby] Grubby: Le petit chat veut une baguette. Don't make me cry by reminding me Grubby once played a game I was interested in ):
WC3?
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On July 05 2015 06:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:07 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 05 2015 06:06 johnbongham wrote:
The casting at this tournament is pretty terrible in comparisons to past HSC's. Sounds like someone missed Geoff/Rott/Tod and Parting/Scarlett/Patience I definitely missed PartinG/Scarlett/Patience, what was it like ?
Drunk Parting/Scarlett chemistry OP
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oh god Nigthend was so awesome haha
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On July 05 2015 06:09 Shellshock wrote:
This HSC is really missing Nightend and MC
and Destiny
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On July 05 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 05:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:38 OtherWorld wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
You people are completely overblowing Bridgehead's badness. Give it one month and it'll set a new standard for maps. It's not absolutely obvious, so please tell me this is sarcasm. It's not. Setting a new standard may be a bit overdoing it, but it is way better than what people make it sounds like. Just give it the time to develop its own meta and you'll see. I fail to see how P can macro on that map. Plus the incentives to go immortal all-in or proxy tempest in PvT and any all-in in PvZ are just huge. Do you think that'd be interesting meta ? What do you foresee that I'm too blind to understand ? I'd earnestly like to know what good you think that map can produce. When Ps will become too predictable with all-ins exploiting the backdoor, their T or Z opponents will tailor their builds to counter it. Then Ps will find a way to open safely again. And you can macro as a P, you just need a very good map vision and presence. Basically that means spending money into pylons/obs/zealots to spot the main paths, and you need to be able to exploit the moments when the T/Z army will be at the choke points. Terrain and thus map control is way more essential on Bridgehead than on most maps, and I think that a P who holds the center and have observers near the bridges near the backdoors would be very hard to beat. It is very interesting, too, to notice that there is very little airspace, which greatly reduces the efficiency of drops. I can't see the future and can't predict how the meta will develop ofc, and maybe it will turn out to be a complete failure. But I can see some funky meta developing on this map. I can see, for example, Zergs taking the third and fourth as second and third bases in ZvT and ZvP, and Terrans taking the same bases in TvP.
Fair enough. Your points make sense but I really don't think it's realistic to expect P to be able to macro here. I can't see the future either but the complete failure option seems highly likely to me.
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On July 05 2015 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:08 OtherWorld wrote:On July 05 2015 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Grubby trolling in French on his stream was golden.
[Grubby] Grubby: Tu aimes la moutarde ?
[Grubby] Grubby: Le petit chat veut une baguette. Don't make me cry by reminding me Grubby once played a game I was interested in ): WC3?
Well technically two games, WC3 and SC2 d:
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We have to give Zanster some TLO points for creativity.
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On July 05 2015 06:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:On July 05 2015 05:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:38 OtherWorld wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 05 2015 05:36 OtherWorld wrote:
You people are completely overblowing Bridgehead's badness. Give it one month and it'll set a new standard for maps. It's not absolutely obvious, so please tell me this is sarcasm. It's not. Setting a new standard may be a bit overdoing it, but it is way better than what people make it sounds like. Just give it the time to develop its own meta and you'll see. I fail to see how P can macro on that map. Plus the incentives to go immortal all-in or proxy tempest in PvT and any all-in in PvZ are just huge. Do you think that'd be interesting meta ? What do you foresee that I'm too blind to understand ? I'd earnestly like to know what good you think that map can produce. When Ps will become too predictable with all-ins exploiting the backdoor, their T or Z opponents will tailor their builds to counter it. Then Ps will find a way to open safely again. And you can macro as a P, you just need a very good map vision and presence. Basically that means spending money into pylons/obs/zealots to spot the main paths, and you need to be able to exploit the moments when the T/Z army will be at the choke points. Terrain and thus map control is way more essential on Bridgehead than on most maps, and I think that a P who holds the center and have observers near the bridges near the backdoors would be very hard to beat. It is very interesting, too, to notice that there is very little airspace, which greatly reduces the efficiency of drops. I can't see the future and can't predict how the meta will develop ofc, and maybe it will turn out to be a complete failure. But I can see some funky meta developing on this map. I can see, for example, Zergs taking the third and fourth as second and third bases in ZvT and ZvP, and Terrans taking the same bases in TvP. Fair enough. Your points make sense but I really don't think it's realistic to expect P to be able to macro here. I can't see the future either but the complete failure option seems highly likely to me.
Yeah it's possible. But I dislike the fact that everyone cries before they're hurt when talking about Bridgehead. Give some time to see how it turns out.
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On July 05 2015 06:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
We have to give Zanster some TLO points for creativity.
can take that right to the bank
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On July 05 2015 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:09 Shellshock wrote:
This HSC is really missing Nightend and MC and Destiny
it's missing 2GD
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Xeno going take alcohol in the toilets SOMEONE PREVENT HIM HE WILL GET HURT
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WHO WILL BE BANNED? It all comes down to this
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idk if it's the lighting but it looks like ryung has a 70 year old face on a 12 year old body
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On July 05 2015 06:11 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
We have to give Zanster some TLO points for creativity. can take that right to the bank
Can we remove said points if it turns out the creative™ builds were not his own?
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On July 05 2015 06:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 06:11 dazed25 wrote:On July 05 2015 06:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
We have to give Zanster some TLO points for creativity. can take that right to the bank Can we remove said points if it turns out the creative™ builds were not his own?
I think he should still get partial credit for doing it
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