[S2SL] Challenge Day 2 - Season 3 2015

[S2SL] Challenge Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 19

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Olli

Austria24422 Posts

July 03 2015 12:24 GMT

#361

HASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Ej_

47656 Posts

July 03 2015 12:24 GMT

#362

let's see if sOs is better than Showtime

egrimm

Poland1199 Posts

July 03 2015 12:24 GMT

#363

hahahaha sOs you cheeky mf

Elentos

55561 Posts

July 03 2015 12:24 GMT

#364

Solar had to make sure there's no cannon on the inside.

OtherWorld

France17333 Posts

July 03 2015 12:25 GMT

#365

Has spirit's LIVES

Ketch

Netherlands7285 Posts

July 03 2015 12:25 GMT

#366

Has sOs done it?!

Ej_

47656 Posts

July 03 2015 12:25 GMT

#367

rip, he should have pulled 10+ drones to kill the wall

Elentos

55561 Posts

July 03 2015 12:25 GMT

#368

Let's see how good Solar's nydus skills are.

Die4Ever

United States17723 Posts

July 03 2015 12:26 GMT

#369

Only 3 pylons, I give sOs a 3/6 Has rating

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9172 Posts

July 03 2015 12:26 GMT

#370

On July 03 2015 21:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:

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On July 03 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:

On July 03 2015 21:07 Ramiz1989 wrote:

On July 03 2015 21:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:59 Ej_ wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:56 Ramiz1989 wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:51 Ramiz1989 wrote:

On July 03 2015 20:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Playing phoenix styles also takes great multitasking, good phoenix control (which is very hard), good decisionmaking, etc.

Phoenixes are far better designed than 99% of everything else in the game.

Nah, they aren't, they are pretty horrible but it's ok, I didn't expect anything different from a guy who thinks that PvP is the best matchup in the game.

The best mirror, yeah

I like your arguments by the way. I don't think you've ever played phoenix styles or you would realize that few things are harder to do and phoenixes are an insanely intricate and intriguing unit.

Look, Phoenix as unit(without upgrade) is actually ok, but it still falls into a SC2 category of hard counters that just make for horrible games. It is just quite hard counter to whole Zerg air and Zerg has to tech to Infestors just to be able to counter Phoenixes.

So your argument is that you need a certain tech to beat another?

Are you trying to tell me that there's a strategic aspect to the game?!

the argument is that no matter your air superiority, phoenixes with an upgrade destroy everything without taking any damage (if you have proper control). It's kind of sucky design, yeah.

That "proper" control, say vs muta/corruptor, is so difficult to do though that I have absolutely no issue with that. The same argument can be made about a concussive shell marauder killing an infinite amount of zealots without charge. It's possible, but so hard to do that it's fine.

And no, phoenixes are not the end all counter to zerg air. Muta/corruptor with a good enough corruptor count does beat it, which is why protoss HAS to add in a stalker/archon ground army and zerg transitions to infestors.

What the actual fuck?

Yeah, the only difference is that Marauders are limited by ground and ground objects and are also limited by stim that chops a lot of their HP, it is pretty much impossible for Marauders to kill "infinite" amount of Zealots, where with Phoenixes you don't even have to move and a-click, just move properly.

It is hard at the start for the Phoenixes when they don't have range upgrade and when you don't have enough of them, but later when you have ~20 Phoenixes? It is piece of cake, Corruptors can't kill catch you and Mutas melt instantly. It is also funny how you think that Phoenixes are tough to micro while on the other hand there is no any micro on the Zerg's side, as he can't do any against faster units with more range than his.

So you've never seen zergs micro against phoenixes by retreating and then stopping to fire? Actually just go watch any soO game from 2014 before you keep arguing. With a good enough corruptor count, they 1 shot phoenixes. As long as your upgrades are good enough, phoenixes won't kill them quickly. That "easy control" you're talking about requires you to babysit phoenixes 24/7. You CANNOT leave them alone for even a second. But at the same time you also have to macro properly, control your ground army movement, etc.etc.
Go play phoenix styles before you keep arguing. It's painfully obvious that you have no idea how hard they are to play.

And perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, you could consider adding infestors against 20+ phoenixes. Transitioning is a part of every RTS game and you keep failing to address why having to add infestors is a bad thing.

No, I don't know how hard it is to play Phoenix style as I am not a Protoss player, but I know how easy it is to control Phoenixes as I was playing with them... same can be said for you about Muta/Corruptors style, you see a ton of players losing a lot of Mutalisks in a matter of seconds when they are not following them. I don't know what so special about Phoenixes in that regard, every race has to micro, macro and multitask at the same time, it's called Starcraft... Mutalisks also need to be babysitted 24/7.

It's not the same. Mass phoenix just needs more babysitting vs muta corruptor. If you leave them for a second to do anything you get mauled. They're just so fast and fragile that they require constant micro more so than zerg's air.

Die4Ever

United States17723 Posts

July 03 2015 12:27 GMT

#371

why didn't sOs forcefield the ramp?

Lorning

Belgica34432 Posts

July 03 2015 12:27 GMT

#372

Delayed KANG DONG HYUUUUN

Lorning

Belgica34432 Posts

July 03 2015 12:28 GMT

#373

Poll: Recommend sOs vs Solar Game 4?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)

57%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)

29%

★★★- Good game (1)

14%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)

0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)

0%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Solar Game 4?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season